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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 28, 2015 23:32:37 GMT
Profile and being flavour of the month probably. Probably because he is white nothing to do with the fact he has more intelligence and football knowledge than super Sol Campbell, plus he does not play the race card every other day bigoted talentless twat. Nothing to do with Sol Campbell is it? I like Gary Neville and I think Sol Campbell is a tit. I'd be surprised if the rave reviews Neville was getting for his punditry and the buzz it was causing had nothing to do with him getting the England job. It was shrewd PR.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 29, 2015 10:49:39 GMT
Probably because he is white nothing to do with the fact he has more intelligence and football knowledge than super Sol Campbell, plus he does not play the race card every other day bigoted talentless twat. Nothing to do with Sol Campbell is it? I like Gary Neville and I think Sol Campbell is a tit. I'd be surprised if the rave reviews Neville was getting for his punditry and the buzz it was causing had nothing to do with him getting the England job. It was shrewd PR. Hodgson said as much at the time Rob. I've haven't had any luck finding a link to it but I clearly remember Hodgson saying how impressed he had been with Neville's analysis on Sky, as well as him having played in five tournaments for England, having the respect of all the players and having completed all of his UEFA coaching badges. Given all that, it's surprising Sol needed to ask the question really, I wonder if he would have done so, if Neville wasn't white?
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Post by slpmarc on Mar 29, 2015 11:37:32 GMT
Sol Campbell is the largest tools in and around football, and don't forget we have the likes of Stan Collymore, Joey Barton and Martin Keown to contend with. When will the media just ignore his constant ego tripping and let the real people make the footballing decisions without bigoted look at me people trying to make issues where there is no issue to make
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 29, 2015 12:27:05 GMT
"But I'm Sol Campbell".
Sol Campbell may well be suffering mental illness.
His public utterances become more bitter, confused and delusional everyday.
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 29, 2015 13:12:59 GMT
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Post by kjpt140v on Mar 30, 2015 7:05:18 GMT
I'd love the twat to come to my front door campaigning because i kick the cunt straight in the bollocks. Don't rate your chances.
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Post by dadofsam on Mar 30, 2015 8:12:27 GMT
No - I am Sol Campbell.
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Post by mickstupp on Mar 30, 2015 9:12:08 GMT
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 30, 2015 9:27:26 GMT
That attitude won't have gone unnoticed in football circles.
As an owner/chairman of a football club you'd be barmy to trust your club to somebody who comes across like that, no matter what colour they are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 9:58:17 GMT
Thick fucker... Just right for the Tories !! well I'm glad the dumb fooks have managed to get the economy moving and one of the best economies outside of India and China (who have massive social and human rights issues) unlike those clever ones who brougt the country almost to it's knees with the worst debt on record, eh "Almost"?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 30, 2015 10:02:39 GMT
I think there must a problem somewhere in the system, as the numbers don't lie and there is a huge gulf between the number of black players and black managers.
However, Campbell and Barnes are not going to solve the problem but trivialise it. No-one has taken a chance on Campbell because in the last few playing years and since his retirement he has come across as an absolute prat, and Barnes has failed spectacularly at the chances he has been given.
So race has nothing to do with these two cases in my opinion, but there is a wider problem that becomes easier to ignore and deny while these two carry on blethering on.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 30, 2015 10:13:47 GMT
Is Barnes aware of the lousy job he did at Celtic? Maybe that's why he can't get a job.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 10:17:07 GMT
A friend of mine who's a Spurs season ticket holder told me he was due to meat sol Campbell for a business meeting and was very excited about meeting one of his idols. He told me the next day he was one of the most unpleasant people he'd ever met
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 30, 2015 10:18:44 GMT
Is Barnes aware of the lousy job he did at Celtic? Maybe that's why he can't get a job. Or his even bigger disaster at Tranmere where he and MacAteer were known as 'dumb and dumber' in the dressing room.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 30, 2015 10:22:58 GMT
You'd be absolutely mad to give Barnes a job and it's got nothing to do with his colour. Chris Hughton keeps struggling to get jobs too!
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Post by britsabroad on Mar 30, 2015 10:38:42 GMT
Actually regardless of Campbell being a prannock why did Neville get his job with England? Profile, hes clearly a smart bloke football wise, and hed already done most of his coaching badges at the time, unlike Campbell.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 30, 2015 10:50:02 GMT
I think there must a problem somewhere in the system, as the numbers don't lie and there is a huge gulf between the number of black players and black managers. However, Campbell and Barnes are not going to solve the problem but trivialise it. No-one has taken a chance on Campbell because in the last few playing years and since his retirement he has come across as an absolute prat, and Barnes has failed spectacularly at the chances he has been given. So race has nothing to do with these two cases in my opinion, but there is a wider problem that becomes easier to ignore and deny while these two carry on blethering on. A few seasons back there were six black managers in professional football and as a percentage of the total number of managers in the game, that figure was equal to the percentage of black people who we're doing their coaching badges at the time - very, very few. So at the time the figures were spot on, now I think there are only two black managers but when the total numbers are so incredibly small it hardly matters if there are two or six as the variance in football management itself could alter the percentages over night. For whatever reason, black players decide they don't fancy doing their coaching badges much more than white players do, so ultimately there are far fewer black managers for football chairman to even consider. And it really shouldn't be forgotten that most football chairman would sell their granny for even the slightest whiff of success, these are chairman who are prepared to nearly bankrupt themselves dishing out huge contracts to BLACK players, so there is absolutely no logic to the suggestion that they wouldn't do the same if they believed a black manager could bring them success. If Paul Ince and John Barnes had been successful football managers then they would still be football managers, the fact that they aren't, has got nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Is UK football itself inherently racist because there is so few UK Asian players in the game? Of course it isn't - very few UK Asian men have an interest in becoming footballers in the first place and likewise if very few ex black footballers have an interest in doing their coaching badges, then football chairman shouldn't be accused of being racist for not giving them jobs as managers. Has Sol Campbell even done his coaching badges yet? EDIT: I've just checked and there are still six black managers in the game, so unless there has been a sudden huge upturn in the number of ex black footballers doing their coaching badges, then the percentages are about right.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 30, 2015 10:57:52 GMT
Why don't they realise its because they're shit, has no one had the bollocks to tell them?!?!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 30, 2015 11:01:04 GMT
I think there must a problem somewhere in the system, as the numbers don't lie and there is a huge gulf between the number of black players and black managers. However, Campbell and Barnes are not going to solve the problem but trivialise it. No-one has taken a chance on Campbell because in the last few playing years and since his retirement he has come across as an absolute prat, and Barnes has failed spectacularly at the chances he has been given. So race has nothing to do with these two cases in my opinion, but there is a wider problem that becomes easier to ignore and deny while these two carry on blethering on. A few seasons back there was six black managers in professional football and as a percentage of the total number of managers in the game, that figure was equal to the percentage of black people who we're doing their coaching badges at the time - very, very few. So at the time the figures were spot on, now I think there are only two black managers but when the total numbers are so incredibly small it hardly matters if there are two or six as the variance in football management itself could alter the percentages over night. For whatever reason, black players decide they don't fancy doing their coaching badges much more than white players do, so ultimately there are far fewer black managers for football chairman to even consider. And it really shouldn't be forgotten that most football chairman would sell their granny for even the slightest whiff of success, these are chairman who are prepared to nearly bankrupt themselves dishing out huge contracts to BLACK players, so there is absolutely no logic to the suggestion that they wouldn't do the same if they believed a black manager could bring them success. If Paul Ince and John Barnes had been successful football managers then they would still be football managers, the fact that they aren't, has got nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Is UK football itself inherently racist because there is so few UK Asian players in the game? Of course it isn't - very few UK Asian men have an interest in becoming footballers in the first place and likewise if very few ex black footballers have an interest in doing their coaching badges, then football chairman shouldn't be accused of being racist for not giving them jobs as managers. Has Sol Campbell even done his coaching badges yet?I'm guessing the answer to that is a simple no, but that has nothing to do with it, it still doesn't explain why he can't get a managers job, coaching badges pfffft, okay okay, you may point to him being a complete and utter twat but thats just an easy out, its obviously down to the colour of his skin, how could it be anything else, after all he is the almighty Sol Campbell.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 30, 2015 11:07:32 GMT
This argument is nonsensical isn't it , if black managers think they get the sack because of there colour, why would these same chairman give them the job in the first place
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 30, 2015 11:46:24 GMT
I think there must a problem somewhere in the system, as the numbers don't lie and there is a huge gulf between the number of black players and black managers. However, Campbell and Barnes are not going to solve the problem but trivialise it. No-one has taken a chance on Campbell because in the last few playing years and since his retirement he has come across as an absolute prat, and Barnes has failed spectacularly at the chances he has been given. So race has nothing to do with these two cases in my opinion, but there is a wider problem that becomes easier to ignore and deny while these two carry on blethering on. A few seasons back there were six black managers in professional football and as a percentage of the total number of managers in the game, that figure was equal to the percentage of black people who we're doing their coaching badges at the time - very, very few. So at the time the figures were spot on, now I think there are only two black managers but when the total numbers are so incredibly small it hardly matters if there are two or six as the variance in football management itself could alter the percentages over night. For whatever reason, black players decide they don't fancy doing their coaching badges much more than white players do, so ultimately there are far fewer black managers for football chairman to even consider. And it really shouldn't be forgotten that most football chairman would sell their granny for even the slightest whiff of success, these are chairman who are prepared to nearly bankrupt themselves dishing out huge contracts to BLACK players, so there is absolutely no logic to the suggestion that they wouldn't do the same if they believed a black manager could bring them success. If Paul Ince and John Barnes had been successful football managers then they would still be football managers, the fact that they aren't, has got nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Is UK football itself inherently racist because there is so few UK Asian players in the game? Of course it isn't - very few UK Asian men have an interest in becoming footballers in the first place and likewise if very few ex black footballers have an interest in doing their coaching badges, then football chairman shouldn't be accused of being racist for not giving them jobs as managers. Has Sol Campbell even done his coaching badges yet? EDIT: I've just checked and there are still six black managers in the game, so unless there has been a sudden huge upturn in the number of ex black footballers doing their coaching badges, then the percentages are about right. I had written my post before I read that there are six black managers in the Football League. I was still working with the figure of one from the end of last season. If the increased numbers are sustained, then maybe the problem is on the way to being fixed. At the moment it's unclear - it could be chance timing, or it could be a sign that the problem is being fixed. As I said, the problem is SOMEWHERE in the system. Where the problem exists I am less sure about. Any race is issue is always complicated, with many different factors. I don't believe there is many, if any, chairmen deliberately not giving a job to a manager because he is non-white. It could be any one of a number of reasons - black players might not see coaching as an option if they believe there is a lack of chances, there may be unconscious racism left in the game, it could be linked to the idea that black players are stereotyped as athletic and strong, as opposed to clever footballers, which means chairmen may not consider them for managerial roles. It could be none of them, all of them, or one of them reasons.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 30, 2015 12:00:26 GMT
A few seasons back there were six black managers in professional football and as a percentage of the total number of managers in the game, that figure was equal to the percentage of black people who we're doing their coaching badges at the time - very, very few. So at the time the figures were spot on, now I think there are only two black managers but when the total numbers are so incredibly small it hardly matters if there are two or six as the variance in football management itself could alter the percentages over night. For whatever reason, black players decide they don't fancy doing their coaching badges much more than white players do, so ultimately there are far fewer black managers for football chairman to even consider. And it really shouldn't be forgotten that most football chairman would sell their granny for even the slightest whiff of success, these are chairman who are prepared to nearly bankrupt themselves dishing out huge contracts to BLACK players, so there is absolutely no logic to the suggestion that they wouldn't do the same if they believed a black manager could bring them success. If Paul Ince and John Barnes had been successful football managers then they would still be football managers, the fact that they aren't, has got nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Is UK football itself inherently racist because there is so few UK Asian players in the game? Of course it isn't - very few UK Asian men have an interest in becoming footballers in the first place and likewise if very few ex black footballers have an interest in doing their coaching badges, then football chairman shouldn't be accused of being racist for not giving them jobs as managers. Has Sol Campbell even done his coaching badges yet? EDIT: I've just checked and there are still six black managers in the game, so unless there has been a sudden huge upturn in the number of ex black footballers doing their coaching badges, then the percentages are about right. I had written my post before I read that there are six black managers in the Football League. I was still working with the figure of one from the end of last season. If the increased numbers are sustained, then maybe the problem is on the way to being fixed. At the moment it's unclear - it could be chance timing, or it could be a sign that the problem is being fixed. As I said, the problem is SOMEWHERE in the system. Where the problem exists I am less sure about. Any race is issue is always complicated, with many different factors. I don't believe there is many, if any, chairmen deliberately not giving a job to a manager because he is non-white. It could be any one of a number of reasons - black players might not see coaching as an option if they believe there is a lack of chances, there may be unconscious racism left in the game, it could be linked to the idea that black players are stereotyped as athletic and strong, as opposed to clever footballers, which means chairmen may not consider them for managerial roles. It could be none of them, all of them, or one of them reasons. I think the first thing that needs to be established, is if there actually IS a 'problem'? I think just because there is disproportionate number of white managers to black managers, it doesn't then necessarily mean that there is an issue. We already know that as a percentage, the number of black managers in the game are similar to the number of black players who complete their coaching badges, so there's no issue there. The pertinent question is surely, why do so many ex black players CHOOSE not to do their badges? Before people jump to lazy conclusions, maybe we could start by asking them.
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Post by ukcstokie on Mar 30, 2015 12:10:42 GMT
I think there must a problem somewhere in the system, as the numbers don't lie and there is a huge gulf between the number of black players and black managers. However, Campbell and Barnes are not going to solve the problem but trivialise it. No-one has taken a chance on Campbell because in the last few playing years and since his retirement he has come across as an absolute prat, and Barnes has failed spectacularly at the chances he has been given. So race has nothing to do with these two cases in my opinion, but there is a wider problem that becomes easier to ignore and deny while these two carry on blethering on. A few seasons back there were six black managers in professional football and as a percentage of the total number of managers in the game, that figure was equal to the percentage of black people who we're doing their coaching badges at the time - very, very few. So at the time the figures were spot on, now I think there are only two black managers but when the total numbers are so incredibly small it hardly matters if there are two or six as the variance in football management itself could alter the percentages over night. For whatever reason, black players decide they don't fancy doing their coaching badges much more than white players do, so ultimately there are far fewer black managers for football chairman to even consider. And it really shouldn't be forgotten that most football chairman would sell their granny for even the slightest whiff of success, these are chairman who are prepared to nearly bankrupt themselves dishing out huge contracts to BLACK players, so there is absolutely no logic to the suggestion that they wouldn't do the same if they believed a black manager could bring them success. If Paul Ince and John Barnes had been successful football managers then they would still be football managers, the fact that they aren't, has got nothing to do with the colour of their skin. Is UK football itself inherently racist because there is so few UK Asian players in the game? Of course it isn't - very few UK Asian men have an interest in becoming footballers in the first place and likewise if very few ex black footballers have an interest in doing their coaching badges, then football chairman shouldn't be accused of being racist for not giving them jobs as managers. Has Sol Campbell even done his coaching badges yet? EDIT: I've just checked and there are still six black managers in the game, so unless there has been a sudden huge upturn in the number of ex black footballers doing their coaching badges, then the percentages are about right. I too can't believe that there are any Chairmen who would hesitate on appointing a black manager if they thought they were the right choice.
You also need to factor in the numbers of black players which aren't from the UK. Lots will return to their own country after their time here (and some may not even be able to become managers here due to their visa restrictions). The picture is a lot more complicated than 25% of players are black therefore 25% of manager should be too.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Mar 30, 2015 12:10:56 GMT
Thick fucker... Just right for the Tories !! well I'm glad the dumb fooks have managed to get the economy moving and one of the best economies outside of India and China (who have massive social and human rights issues) unlike those clever ones who brougt the country almost to it's knees with the worst debt on record, eh I'm just delighted that you are one of the 5% people reaping the benefit of this economic miracle. I'm sure you will spare a though for the 95% of us who are worse off and speed up the "trickle down" effect you Tories continue to believe in despite it never actually happening since money was invented and send through a sizable cheque to Oatcake HQ where we will organise hand outs to all forum members (excepting any additional top 5% we happen to have the attention of).
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 30, 2015 12:14:10 GMT
I had written my post before I read that there are six black managers in the Football League. I was still working with the figure of one from the end of last season. If the increased numbers are sustained, then maybe the problem is on the way to being fixed. At the moment it's unclear - it could be chance timing, or it could be a sign that the problem is being fixed. As I said, the problem is SOMEWHERE in the system. Where the problem exists I am less sure about. Any race is issue is always complicated, with many different factors. I don't believe there is many, if any, chairmen deliberately not giving a job to a manager because he is non-white. It could be any one of a number of reasons - black players might not see coaching as an option if they believe there is a lack of chances, there may be unconscious racism left in the game, it could be linked to the idea that black players are stereotyped as athletic and strong, as opposed to clever footballers, which means chairmen may not consider them for managerial roles. It could be none of them, all of them, or one of them reasons. I think the first thing that needs to be established, is if there actually IS a 'problem'? I think just because there is disproportionate number of white managers to black managers, it doesn't then necessarily mean that there is an issue. We already know that as a percentage, the number of black managers in the game are similar to the number of black players who complete their coaching badges, so there's no issue there. The pertinent question is surely, why do so many ex black players CHOOSE not to do their badges? Before people jump to lazy conclusions, maybe we could start by asking them. If a high proportion of black players are choosing not to do their badges I'd say that is a problem, if English football wants as many top class coaches as possible. Why are they missing out on a large percentage of a large minority within the game? It might be a cultural reason, it might be that a lack of prominent black coaches has led to them believing that coaching is not an option. I agree questions should be asked to everyone involved in football, in the hope of finding out a) where the problem exists, and b) how to solve it.
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 30, 2015 12:19:40 GMT
Just a non political point northwich concerning UK debt. The Coalition has been responsible for an increase of debt of 517 billion, that is compared to 472 billion accrued under ALL Labour Governments since 1900.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 30, 2015 12:35:50 GMT
I had written my post before I read that there are six black managers in the Football League. I was still working with the figure of one from the end of last season. If the increased numbers are sustained, then maybe the problem is on the way to being fixed. At the moment it's unclear - it could be chance timing, or it could be a sign that the problem is being fixed. As I said, the problem is SOMEWHERE in the system. Where the problem exists I am less sure about. Any race is issue is always complicated, with many different factors. I don't believe there is many, if any, chairmen deliberately not giving a job to a manager because he is non-white. It could be any one of a number of reasons - black players might not see coaching as an option if they believe there is a lack of chances, there may be unconscious racism left in the game, it could be linked to the idea that black players are stereotyped as athletic and strong, as opposed to clever footballers, which means chairmen may not consider them for managerial roles. It could be none of them, all of them, or one of them reasons. I think the first thing that needs to be established, is if there actually IS a 'problem'?
I think just because there is disproportionate number of white managers to black managers, it doesn't then necessarily mean that there is an issue. We already know that as a percentage, the number of black managers in the game are similar to the number of black players who complete their coaching badges, so there's no issue there. The pertinent question is surely, why do so many ex black players CHOOSE not to do their badges? Before people jump to lazy conclusions, maybe we could start by asking them. 100% this, I'm not convinced there is one.
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2015 13:35:56 GMT
well I'm glad the dumb fooks have managed to get the economy moving and one of the best economies outside of India and China (who have massive social and human rights issues) unlike those clever ones who brougt the country almost to it's knees with the worst debt on record, eh I'm just delighted that you are one of the 5% people reaping the benefit of this economic miracle. I'm sure you will spare a though for the 95% of us who are worse off and speed up the "trickle down" effect you Tories continue to believe in despite it never actually happening since money was invented and send through a sizable cheque to Oatcake HQ where we will organise hand outs to all forum members (excepting any additional top 5% we happen to have the attention of). Where have I said I am reaping the benefits, or one of the 5% reaping the benefits? I have never been a member of the Tories either, as a moderator I'd read a post before answering with unfounded accusations Like most people I went 4 years without a pay rise, luckily I still kept a job unlike others. Maybe you could all not have a pie and a pint on match day, club together and buy me a season ticket
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Post by Northy on Mar 30, 2015 13:46:50 GMT
Just a non political point northwich concerning UK debt. The Coalition has been responsible for an increase of debt of 517 billion, that is compared to 472 billion accrued under ALL Labour Governments since 1900. The difference is that in 1997 labour inherited an economy in the black, but still managed to spend spend spend and rack up a debt when the times were good and lots of taxes were coming in, this coalition government inherited the country's biggest ever peacetime deficit, they had to borrow to ensure our essential services are kept running along with mass immigration stretching these services, and our main trading partners are still in recession and not buying much from us, surely a blind man can see that TP?
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Post by geoff321 on Mar 30, 2015 14:10:51 GMT
You said " the worst DEBT on record" northwich, you are wrong, that's the point I'm making. Just to confirm again the Coalition as run up more debt than all Labour Governments COMBINED since 1900.
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