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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 1, 2015 15:31:56 GMT
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Post by f1rew0rks on Mar 1, 2015 15:46:10 GMT
how do YOU KNOW he's lying? I had alresdy stated on here that I thought it was more to do with just being a gang mentality thug/bully than being because of the colour of the guys skin.
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Post by songthrush01 on Mar 1, 2015 16:44:57 GMT
Wrong forum mate,take yer racist agendas elsewhere
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Post by desman2 on Mar 1, 2015 20:09:26 GMT
Its usually the anti racists who are the most racist by defining their opinions on the colour of a persons skin. If it was a white guy pushed back they would fully accept this guys explanation, but because the guy was black then in their closed and blinkered minds its got to be racist.
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Post by butlerstbob on Mar 1, 2015 20:26:50 GMT
Ah so the fact that they were singing a racist song means I and many others are seeing something that didnt happen?
Ah well I must take a long hard look at the way I see things in the future!
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Post by stokeloyal on Mar 1, 2015 20:31:33 GMT
Didn't know he was an ex-copper. Could have possibly brought his "not racist, train was to full" line if this wasn't the case but come on no one actually believes that right?!
Wouldn't shock me if he gets off being ex-force himself...bent racist bastards.
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 1, 2015 20:32:52 GMT
Ah so the fact that they were singing a racist song means I and many others are seeing something that didnt happen? Ah well I must take a long hard look at the way I see things in the future! Is there proof that this guy was singing the song? And how many here know how to the French for "sorry mate, the train's too packed" without accidentally saying something like "sorry I'm in the middle of filling you" by mistake?  That said, it seems a bit weird that the lad who got pushed couldn't work out that the train was packed. Even the French have got eyes. |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 1, 2015 20:34:36 GMT
There was plenty of room on the train - that is clear from the video.
This guy's desperately searching for something to get him off the hook because his actions don't sit comfortably with a nice publicly funded post as director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum.
He's fucked if he can't wriggle out of this. Good.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 1, 2015 21:29:31 GMT
Anybody who thinks this is a plausible explanation for a) pushing the guy from the train and b) singing were racist and that's the way we like it in his face, is seriously in denial.
In fact, it's beggars belief that anyone would believe he was doing it because he was worried about health and safety on the train.
Talk about defending the indefensible!
He's had over a week to come up with this one, not the brightest button then!
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 1, 2015 22:50:01 GMT
Richard Barklie is lying racist cunt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 23:02:51 GMT
There was plenty of room on the train - that is clear from the video. This guy's desperately searching for something to get him off the hook because his actions don't sit comfortably with a nice publicly funded post as director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum. He's fucked if he can't wriggle out of this. Good. Well if he is a director of such an organisation I would have thought that it is even more plausible that what he was saying is true. Why would a man who has chosen to be in such an organisation be overtly racist. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Crazy in fact. Why people jump to such quick conclusions is in my opinion rather hasty. Either way , it is one more example of our obsession with racism and how awful it is, especially if it involves another club. The fact that it is a London club is no great surprise given the nature of the capital city. Let's just move on and see what happens later ...if anything. |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 2, 2015 6:57:23 GMT
There was plenty of room on the train - that is clear from the video. This guy's desperately searching for something to get him off the hook because his actions don't sit comfortably with a nice publicly funded post as director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum. He's fucked if he can't wriggle out of this. Good. Well if he is a director of such an organisation I would have thought that it is even more plausible that what he was saying is true. Why would a man who has chosen to be in such an organisation be overtly racist. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Crazy in fact. Why people jump to such quick conclusions is in my opinion rather hasty. Either way , it is one more example of our obsession with racism and how awful it is, especially if it involves another club. The fact that it is a London club is no great surprise given the nature of the capital city. Let's just move on and see what happens later ...if anything. Your respect of people in senior positions in organisations is touching. In my experience though, status is no determinator of social attitudes or behaviour. You get good and bad everywhere. Including football clubs. I'm with you on that point; too much emphasis on Chelsea. Imagine if this thread was titled Racist Football Supporters Scum, the thread would be full of indignant comments about it being unfair to tar all football supporters with the racism brush. Same applies to Chelsea. They have their clowns; then again, so do we. As does everyone. One thing folk should reflect on with this incident is how, what we call up here the "Daily Record Test", applies pretty much 24/7 these days. In other words, behave as if what you are doing could end up on the front page of a Red Top. Someone with a mobile phone could be recording you! That NI charity chap should have been thinking about that - maybe, bring a charitable person, he might have given up his space for him. Maybe not! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 7:36:15 GMT
Well if he is a director of such an organisation I would have thought that it is even more plausible that what he was saying is true. Why would a man who has chosen to be in such an organisation be overtly racist. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Crazy in fact. Why people jump to such quick conclusions is in my opinion rather hasty. Either way , it is one more example of our obsession with racism and how awful it is, especially if it involves another club. The fact that it is a London club is no great surprise given the nature of the capital city. Let's just move on and see what happens later ...if anything. Your respect of people in senior positions in organisations is touching. In my experience though, status is no determinator of social attitudes or behaviour. You get good and bad everywhere. Including football clubs. I'm with you on that point; too much emphasis on Chelsea. Imagine if this thread was titled Racist Football Supporters Scum, the thread would be full of indignant comments about it being unfair to tar all football supporters with the racism brush. Same applies to Chelsea. They have their clowns; then again, so do we. As does everyone. One thing folk should reflect on with this incident is how, what we call up here the "Daily Record Test", applies pretty much 24/7 these days. In other words, behave as if what you are doing could end up on the front page of a Red Top. Someone with a mobile phone could be recording you! That NI charity chap should have been thinking about that - maybe, bring a charitable person, he might have given up his space for him. Maybe not! My comments bore no reflection to his seniority. They were based purely on the type of work he does .his apparent actions were a contradiction to his field of work. Its this obssession that incidents like this are the anti christ whilst in Stoke this week we had a murder ,three stabbings and a rapist of foreign decent sentenced to 11 years behind bars. This is the first time in 25 years I have read a copy ofthe Sentinel and wow.....was it a shocking read Compared to the last one. A sign of very troubled times everywhere. |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 2, 2015 8:38:41 GMT
Your respect of people in senior positions in organisations is touching. In my experience though, status is no determinator of social attitudes or behaviour. You get good and bad everywhere. Including football clubs. I'm with you on that point; too much emphasis on Chelsea. Imagine if this thread was titled Racist Football Supporters Scum, the thread would be full of indignant comments about it being unfair to tar all football supporters with the racism brush. Same applies to Chelsea. They have their clowns; then again, so do we. As does everyone. One thing folk should reflect on with this incident is how, what we call up here the "Daily Record Test", applies pretty much 24/7 these days. In other words, behave as if what you are doing could end up on the front page of a Red Top. Someone with a mobile phone could be recording you! That NI charity chap should have been thinking about that - maybe, bring a charitable person, he might have given up his space for him. Maybe not! My comments bore no reflection to his seniority. They were based purely on the type of work he does .his apparent actions were a contradiction to his field of work. Its this obssession that incidents like this are the anti christ whilst in Stoke this week we had a murder ,three stabbings and a rapist of foreign decent sentenced to 11 years behind bars. This is the first time in 25 years I have read a copy of the Sentinel and wow.....was it a shocking read Compared to the last one. A sign of very troubled times everywhere. Understood - but the same argument applies to organisations. Good and bad exist everywhere. Thankfully always more good than bad in my experience. And you are correct - there are worse things going on everyday that get far less attention, from the media and this message board. But what's new? Same as it ever was. |
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Post by Northy on Mar 2, 2015 8:49:17 GMT
There was plenty of room on the train - that is clear from the video. This guy's desperately searching for something to get him off the hook because his actions don't sit comfortably with a nice publicly funded post as director with a human rights organisation - the World Human Rights Forum. He's fucked if he can't wriggle out of this. Good. Well if he is a director of such an organisation I would have thought that it is even more plausible that what he was saying is true. Why would a man who has chosen to be in such an organisation be overtly racist. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Crazy in fact. Why people jump to such quick conclusions is in my opinion rather hasty. Either way , it is one more example of our obsession with racism and how awful it is, especially if it involves another club. The fact that it is a London club is no great surprise given the nature of the capital city. Let's just move on and see what happens later ...if anything. Has somebody hacked your account? If this wasn't about defending him being racist, you'd be all over him like a rash, a director who probably drives a nice car and lives in a nice house is normally a target for the Frodsham socialist isn't it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 8:54:55 GMT
Well if he is a director of such an organisation I would have thought that it is even more plausible that what he was saying is true. Why would a man who has chosen to be in such an organisation be overtly racist. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Crazy in fact. Why people jump to such quick conclusions is in my opinion rather hasty. Either way , it is one more example of our obsession with racism and how awful it is, especially if it involves another club. The fact that it is a London club is no great surprise given the nature of the capital city. Let's just move on and see what happens later ...if anything. Has somebody hacked your account? If this wasn't about defending him being racist, you'd be all over him like a rash, a director who probably drives a nice car and lives in a nice house is normally a target for the Frodsham socialist isn't it? You need to temper your ego ....it's getting the better of you . You are making wild accusations there which could get you into deep water.... I don't target anybody....which is more than could be said for you. Mumf |
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Post by Northy on Mar 2, 2015 9:03:22 GMT
Has somebody hacked your account? If this wasn't about defending him being racist, you'd be all over him like a rash, a director who probably drives a nice car and lives in a nice house is normally a target for the Frodsham socialist isn't it? You need to temper your ego ....it's getting the better of you . You are making wild accusations there which could get you into deep water.... I don't target anybody.... which is more than could be said for you.Mumf Wow, pot and kettle springs to mind  |
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Mar 2, 2015 10:04:10 GMT
On an objective view and taking into account this individuals claim that the carriage was too full, it can be disputed that the fact that the individual actually got onto the train before being pushed off suggests that there was indeed enough room for him to get off. On an objective viewpoint, as the defendant was not employed by the Metro he clearly cannot determine the health and safety standpoint for using the Carriages in that country either. It could be argued that as a Chelsea fan, he would have experience on travelling within London's Underground system where it passengers frequently have less standing room than what was shown on the video. After the incident in question, it is clearly shown on the video that he and his colleagues have freedom of movement as they are clapping and jeering. His defence therefore is very difficult to stand upon.
Weather he was racist or not is another discussion, however if he in such a position, he has a social responsibility to not act like he did. By representing such a forum he would be mindful of his actions and apply as discussed the "red top" standard when out and about. By all means chant, jeer and have fun when you are partaking in social activities but he made the fatal error of putting himself in that position (that he controlled) and acting as he did. Me? I am in a senior role and I would not have "pushed" the individual, I would have explained to him that there wasn't enough room and allowed him to find out himself if he continued to come aboard and the doors tried to close.
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Post by greyman on Mar 2, 2015 10:05:03 GMT
It's a farcical defence but the only one he can come up with. His actions were not those of somebody concerned about overcrowding and there was plenty of room on that carriage. You should see the London underground when it's busy.
He's just trying to weasel his way out of it because his career is screwed.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 2, 2015 13:38:51 GMT
I've just seen a snippet on BBC TV lunchtime news about allegedly "racist Chelsea fans being ejected AT STOKE * from a Euston to Manchester train last night". Anyone got any more info? Presumably this was after the League Cup final? * I'm presuming that they were ejected at Stoke by co-incidence and not because the security staff felt it was an appropriate place to eject them?  |
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Post by Mezza on Mar 2, 2015 17:06:36 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Mar 2, 2015 17:07:04 GMT
Not helping themselves are they?
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Post by bloody56 on Mar 2, 2015 23:20:29 GMT
All teams have their fair share of racist fans, but I imagine that a lot of racists looking for a suitable team to support would be drawn to Chelsea, because the club failed to deal with their captain's alleged racism in an appropriate manner.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Mar 3, 2015 0:16:14 GMT
Its usually the anti racists who are the most racist by defining their opinions on the colour of a persons skin. If it was a white guy pushed back they would fully accept this guys explanation, but because the guy was black then in their closed and blinkered minds its got to be racist. The chanting probably helped people come that conclusion. |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Mar 3, 2015 0:20:43 GMT
Chelsea have attracted those sort of fans long before Terry,
Barklie knows what he is,
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