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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 1, 2015 14:35:50 GMT
So fouling is preferable, is what you're saying? The attacker shouldn't be obliged to help out the defender who is fouling him (and shirt pulling, for example, is cheating - it's seeking to gain an illegal advantage, that is pretty much the definition of it). Referees have proven they're useless at awarding these decisions so the idea that a striker should just suck it up and accept he's being shafted is bizarre to me. If strikers ever do that I'll be right there with you slagging the ref off but they don't. The entitled to go down brigade have seen to that. The slightest contact and their on the floor. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just in the box but it nows happens all over the pitch. The only way back is huge retrospective punishments so the management get involved. Sessegnon got slated last night but by your rules it was fine as a defender put his hand on his shoulder. His only problem was he didn't fall over quick enough and took an extra step or two first. He's now not entitled to go down but a cheat - go figure. I'm talking strikers who are being fouled, not the 'there was contact' brigade.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 1, 2015 15:08:12 GMT
If strikers ever do that I'll be right there with you slagging the ref off but they don't. The entitled to go down brigade have seen to that. The slightest contact and their on the floor. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just in the box but it nows happens all over the pitch. The only way back is huge retrospective punishments so the management get involved. Sessegnon got slated last night but by your rules it was fine as a defender put his hand on his shoulder. His only problem was he didn't fall over quick enough and took an extra step or two first. He's now not entitled to go down but a cheat - go figure. I'm talking strikers who are being fouled, not the 'there was contact' brigade. Mate I've not got the patience to go round in circles with you any more. I've wasted way too much of my life doing that. If a player wants to make the referee make a decision then just stop, don't throw yourself to the ground in an attempt to make the alleged foul look worse than it is. That will always be cheating to me and no slagging off the ability of refs to make the correct decisions will change that.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 1, 2015 15:09:59 GMT
I'm talking strikers who are being fouled, not the 'there was contact' brigade. Mate I've not got the patience to go round in circles with you any more. I've wasted way too much of my life doing that. If a player wants to make the referee make a decision then just stop, don't throw yourself to the ground in an attempt to make the alleged foul look worse than it is. That will always be cheating to me and no slagging off the inability of refs to make the correct decisions will change that. Don't act like I'm being unreasonable when you're making out like I've said something I haven't. That isn't 'going round in circles', that's you misrepresenting what I said.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 1, 2015 15:14:31 GMT
Mate I've not got the patience to go round in circles with you any more. I've wasted way too much of my life doing that. If a player wants to make the referee make a decision then just stop, don't throw yourself to the ground in an attempt to make the alleged foul look worse than it is. That will always be cheating to me and no slagging off the inability of refs to make the correct decisions will change that. Don't act like I'm being unreasonable when you're making out like I've said something I haven't. That isn't 'going round in circles', that's you misrepresenting what I said. If you like bud
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Mar 1, 2015 15:45:47 GMT
Post by reddipotter on Mar 1, 2015 15:45:47 GMT
Players should stay on their feet if they can. The referees shoud give decisions based on whether a player is fouled not on whether he goes down or not.A deliberate foul is cheating but so is falling over when you don't need to. We need better refereeing and to do that they need the help of video. It is bound to disrupt the game but that is the price to be paid for getting the correct decision. A perfect summary.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 1, 2015 17:15:01 GMT
I'm talking strikers who are being fouled, not the 'there was contact' brigade. Mate I've not got the patience to go round in circles with you any more. I've wasted way too much of my life doing that. If a player wants to make the referee make a decision then just stop, don't throw yourself to the ground in an attempt to make the alleged foul look worse than it is. That will always be cheating to me and no slagging off the ability of refs to make the correct decisions will change that. But how many times have you heard commentators exclaim "If he'd gone down there, he would definitely have got a penalty" and indeed they'd be right? We see it on numerous occasions - a player is getting fouled (which in itself is cheating) but he stays on his feet and doesn't go down and the referee doesnt give a penalty. If exactly the same incident occurs elsewhere on the pitch, the referee might well have given it because the outcome of his decision isn't so dramatic - there is no doubt that referees are intimidated by the severity of the decision they are being asked to make and they almost NEED the player to go down, in order to justify the awarding of the penalty. There is no chicken and egg situation here ... if footballers felt confident that referees would award free-kicks to them when they are fouled in the box in exactly the same way that they do elsewhere on the pitch, then they would stay on their feet but referees don't, so (quite understandably) the players don't either. It's the last game of the season, Stoke have to win to avoid relegation, there's 89 minutes gone, it's 0-0 and a Stoke striker goes into the box and gets tugged by the fullback, however he can certainly stay on his feet, although he has definitely been impeded, then I (and I'm sure most people) want that fucker going down. Simply because the referee (unquestionably) is more likely to give the penalty, it just isn't worth taking the chance that by staying on his feet, he won't and until that fact changes, then footballers in my opinion are entitled to highlight the infringement.
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Post by snapper23 on Mar 1, 2015 20:14:58 GMT
Players should stay on their feet if they can. The referees shoud give decisions based on whether a player is fouled not on whether he goes down or not.A deliberate foul is cheating but so is falling over when you don't need to. We need better refereeing and to do that they need the help of video. It is bound to disrupt the game but that is the price to be paid for getting the correct decision. A perfect summary. Couldn't agree more. I remember being at the VG in the 70s when we were awarded a penalty because Bonds had hold of Hursts shirt at a corner. The Ref spotted it. Why? Because there was none of the unarmed combat that goes on nowadays. My point is that until referees stand up to the players bending the rules it will get worse not better. Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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