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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 26, 2015 10:35:53 GMT
Mary Shawcross of the ladies team has also just been ruled out following a lengthy period.
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 26, 2015 10:39:43 GMT
Ryan is quick though whether he's 6ft 3", 6ft 5" or 6ft 7". i agree but just feel being to tall can hinder a players pace. Mmm, isn't Usain Bolt a similarly long streak of piss to (sic)?
He's no slouch though as I recall.
i.e. there are no hard & fast rules that say a biggie can't also be a speedy.
That said, CB or wherever, it's as much about awareness / anticipation / having the proverbial "first five yards in your head" type of thing.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 26, 2015 10:43:34 GMT
Now that we are "safe" from relegation I think it is far more important Ryan gets back to 100% health and fitness than him returning to sort out the defence and risk further damage.
Every cloud has a silver lining and MH has had a great chance to really assess Wollscheid and the other CBs, plus Wolly will have learned a tremendous amount. Furthermore the chances of big club coming and poaching Ryan are now reduced I suspect.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 26, 2015 12:47:35 GMT
Is rest a better option then? For me, he needs to be given the best treatment in the world. If that's rest, then so be it. We're close to mathematically safe (and that's only mathematically, really we already are) and it's a non argument rushing him back. I would rather he not play again this season and be fresh for next. Wolly proved again at the weekend he does have the ability, if only lacking a bit of pace. He's inconsistent and lacks Ryan's natural leadership but that'll come. Muniesa is yet to come back, Wilson is also available. Geoff is also two matches away from a return. We have cover, none are Ryan but they're all capable of filling in. Johnny Tex is the only one I feel needs work. He looked exposed against villa.From what we saw Saturday you're being kind to Tex there. Reminded me of Ali Dia that Souness signed for Southampton. Wonder if LMH got a call from someone pretending to be Sócrates saying Tex was his nephew or something Hopefully that will just prove to be stage fright and he'll come good in time..... in his defence, he was thrown in at the deep end. First stoke appearance against a team pressing for a winner and weimann is a tricky character. Really, Mark dropped the ball not playing him before. Still, time is on his side.
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Post by ohbottom on Feb 26, 2015 13:04:24 GMT
From what we saw Saturday you're being kind to Tex there. Reminded me of Ali Dia that Souness signed for Southampton. Wonder if LMH got a call from someone pretending to be Sócrates saying Tex was his nephew or something Hopefully that will just prove to be stage fright and he'll come good in time..... in his defence, he was thrown in at the deep end. First stoke appearance against a team pressing for a winner and weimann is a tricky character. Really, Mark dropped the ball not playing him before. Still, time is on his side. Oh I agree, out of position too. Hopefully he's much better than he showed. It was a shocker of a debut though.....
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Feb 26, 2015 13:09:27 GMT
get him fixed, lets see what tex can do
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Post by metalhead on Feb 26, 2015 14:07:52 GMT
in his defence, he was thrown in at the deep end. First stoke appearance against a team pressing for a winner and weimann is a tricky character. Really, Mark dropped the ball not playing him before. Still, time is on his side. Oh I agree, out of position too. Hopefully he's much better than he showed. It was a shocker of a debut though..... Luckily didn't cost us and plenty of time to get his shit together.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 14:58:04 GMT
Does anybody get the feeling that could be him done for the season, or am I jumping to conclusions?
MH: He's having a bit of time away from the club, resting. We're reasonably happy but we feel now he would be best served with complete rest rather than aggravating the back. The key is that we try to avoid an operation. We don't think we're at the point to make a decision on that. We're hoping this period of R&R will help.
MH: It's a little bit difficult with backs. Once Ryan is comfortable with the injury and pain he can deal with he'll be looking to get back in the group. The time it will take for that is ... well, how long is a piece of string? It could be short, it could be long.
MH: It won't be Saturday, it won't be Wednesday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:00:06 GMT
Actually, this sounds a bit better: -
MH: It's a lot better than it was but there is no point rushing him back and he misses games towards the end of the season. We want him back fully fit for the rest of the season.
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Post by Northy on Feb 27, 2015 15:01:03 GMT
lets hope some rest can do him some good and settle it down.
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Post by mondeoman on Feb 27, 2015 15:10:40 GMT
We hav'nt missed him
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 27, 2015 15:13:39 GMT
He's too valuable to Stoke for them to mess around and re-introduce him too soon.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 27, 2015 15:14:18 GMT
I get the impression that it would be best for him to miss out the rest of the season to make sure that this sort of problem doesn't come up again, yes. Massive blow for us, but not as massive as having him struggle with a recurring disk problem.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Feb 27, 2015 15:18:12 GMT
I think he'll be rested these 7 days and then be re-assessed. I suspect he might need surgery in the summer?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Feb 27, 2015 15:22:49 GMT
If there's any doubt whatsoever for the long-term, give him the rest of the season off. Even if he is worth nine points to us between now and the end of the season (which is exaggerating I think), I'd rather we go without this season to make sure he can play next season and quite some years beyond on that.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 27, 2015 15:24:37 GMT
No need to rush him back, let him get fit first, it's not worth risking it and it turning into a long time injury.
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Post by foster on Feb 27, 2015 15:39:53 GMT
No need to rush him back, let him get fit first, it's not worth risking it and it turning into a long time injury. He injure back long time. But he no give sucky sucky.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Feb 27, 2015 22:12:08 GMT
No need to rush him back, let him get fit first, it's not worth risking it and it turning into a long time injury. He injure back long time. But he no give sucky sucky. what, ?
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 27, 2015 22:29:46 GMT
Potential blessing in disguise.
Prolonged injury absence puts off potential bidders.....we welcome back a new rejuvenated Ryan next season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 7:23:21 GMT
Potential blessing in disguise. Prolonged injury absence puts off potential bidders.....we welcome back a new rejuvenated Ryan next season. Back injuries are no blessing in disguise.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 7:47:56 GMT
Potential blessing in disguise. Prolonged injury absence puts off potential bidders.....we welcome back a new rejuvenated Ryan next season. Back injuries are no blessing in disguise. No injuries are, it's a bollocks argument. Oh great, nobody can buy our assets, but we can't use them because they're broken. Fucking great.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 28, 2015 11:09:08 GMT
Back injuries are no blessing in disguise. No injuries are, it's a bollocks argument. Oh great, nobody can buy our assets, but we can't use them because they're broken. Fucking great. Yeah but that's not really what I'm saying. But you knew that anyway. Allow me to clarify just in case you're having a slow day. 1. Ryan is currently one of the top three or four English centre backs around. 2. He has been attracting attention and rumoured interest. 3. He is at a stage of his career where he may well be considering a move to a top club. 4. We are safe this season and have little of great significance to play for. 5. If his injury puts off potential suitors then I consider that a good thing. 6. Providing obviously that he can return next season fully fit then I think that's a big plus for us because he will more than likely be lining out in red and white. 7. So, in summary, his short term absence may, in the long term,be a good thing for us. Every cloud and all that. Our two most important players, Ryan and Bojan, return fully fit to kick off next season. Playing for us.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 11:12:52 GMT
No injuries are, it's a bollocks argument. Oh great, nobody can buy our assets, but we can't use them because they're broken. Fucking great. Yeah but that's not really what I'm saying. But you knew that anyway. Allow me to clarify just in case you're having a slow day. 1. Ryan is currently one of the top three or four English centre backs around. 2. He has been attracting attention and rumoured interest. 3. He is at a stage of his career where he may well be considering a move to a top club. 4. We are safe this season and have little of great significance to play for. 5. If his injury puts off potential suitors then I consider that a good thing. 6. Providing obviously that he can return next season fully fit then I think that's a big plus for us because he will more than likely be lining out in red and white. 7. So, in summary, his short term absence may, in the long term,be a good thing for us. Every cloud and all that. Our two most important players, Ryan and Bojan, return fully fit to kick off next season. Playing for us. I like how you said it wasn't what you were saying and then gave me a step by step, detailed guide to say it pretty much was. Injuries don't make you invisible, for starters. It's not the equivalent of that flashy thing in Men in Black that makes people totally forget about you. Having your best players injured is literally no kind of blessing, either disguised or fully exposed, merrily flashing to the world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2015 11:54:34 GMT
I repeat, back injuries are not a blessing in disguise.
They are a serious threat to a career and a serious threat to quality of life in later years.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 28, 2015 12:04:41 GMT
Yeah but that's not really what I'm saying. But you knew that anyway. Allow me to clarify just in case you're having a slow day. 1. Ryan is currently one of the top three or four English centre backs around. 2. He has been attracting attention and rumoured interest. 3. He is at a stage of his career where he may well be considering a move to a top club. 4. We are safe this season and have little of great significance to play for. 5. If his injury puts off potential suitors then I consider that a good thing. 6. Providing obviously that he can return next season fully fit then I think that's a big plus for us because he will more than likely be lining out in red and white. 7. So, in summary, his short term absence may, in the long term,be a good thing for us. Every cloud and all that. Our two most important players, Ryan and Bojan, return fully fit to kick off next season. Playing for us. I like how you said it wasn't what you were saying and then gave me a step by step, detailed guide to say it pretty much was. Injuries don't make you invisible, for starters. It's not the equivalent of that flashy thing in Men in Black that makes people totally forget about you. Having your best players injured is literally no kind of blessing, either disguised or fully exposed, merrily flashing to the world. So managers, boards etc don't consider a players fitness, injury record etc when signing a player? Fair enough.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 12:13:34 GMT
I like how you said it wasn't what you were saying and then gave me a step by step, detailed guide to say it pretty much was. Injuries don't make you invisible, for starters. It's not the equivalent of that flashy thing in Men in Black that makes people totally forget about you. Having your best players injured is literally no kind of blessing, either disguised or fully exposed, merrily flashing to the world. So managers, boards etc don't consider a players fitness, injury record etc when signing a player? Fair enough. Not if they come back 'rejuvenated', no.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 28, 2015 12:37:10 GMT
So managers, boards etc don't consider a players fitness, injury record etc when signing a player? Fair enough. Not if they come back 'rejuvenated', no. My point being if Ryan returns rejuvenated at the start of next season that means we'll have retained him through the summer window. He'll be another year older and a question mark over his previously impeccable fitness record may put off any top club. A lot of ifs and buts.....but given the crappy situation of Ryan having a bad injury it may be a small positive.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 12:50:27 GMT
Not if they come back 'rejuvenated', no. My point being if Ryan returns rejuvenated at the start of next season that means we'll have retained him through the summer window. He'll be another year older and a question mark over his previously impeccable fitness record may put off any top club. A lot of ifs and buts.....but given the crappy situation of Ryan having a bad injury it may be a small positive. I'd rather have him in the team and playing out of his skin. Fending off interest from bigger clubs is just something we have to live with.
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Post by foxysgloves on Feb 28, 2015 12:53:14 GMT
My point being if Ryan returns rejuvenated at the start of next season that means we'll have retained him through the summer window. He'll be another year older and a question mark over his previously impeccable fitness record may put off any top club. A lot of ifs and buts.....but given the crappy situation of Ryan having a bad injury it may be a small positive. I'd rather have him in the team and playing out of his skin. Fending off interest from bigger clubs is just something we have to live with. Kind of goes without saying I'd rather he wasn't injured. I was trying to draw a positive from a pretty crap situation ie. Our two best players crocked.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Feb 28, 2015 12:56:29 GMT
I'd rather have him in the team and playing out of his skin. Fending off interest from bigger clubs is just something we have to live with. Kind of goes without saying I'd rather he wasn't injured. I was trying to draw a positive from a pretty crap situation ie. Our two best players crocked. Yeah. I don't think there is one, beyond fringe players getting their chance to shine.
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