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Post by werrington on Feb 25, 2015 7:35:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 7:40:28 GMT
Sadly I predicted this as soon as I heard it was spinal. I don't think people understand how serious this could be.
Get well soon Ryan. I literally feel your pain!
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Post by werrington on Feb 25, 2015 7:47:43 GMT
Sadly I predicted this as soon as I heard it was spinal. I don't think people understand how serious this could be. Get well soon Ryan. I literally feel your pain! Makes no sense rushing him back mate
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Feb 25, 2015 7:51:26 GMT
Shawcross, Walters and Crouch three of our senior players have been nursing injuries now for a while and I repeat the unwillingness to strengthen in the jan window and just shrug our shoulders on the part of the CEO and board is very disappointing to say the least. When you add the injuries to others that were already know by mid jan it's pretty unforgivable tbh.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Feb 25, 2015 7:56:48 GMT
We're already safe.
Let him undergo the surgery if that is the most definitive course of action.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2015 7:58:12 GMT
I was told last Thursday that there are real fears that Ryan will miss the rest of the season. I thought better of posting it at the time but I guess this story confirms what I was told.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 25, 2015 7:59:49 GMT
We're already safe. Let him undergo the surgery if that is the most definitive course of action. If he has spinal surgery he will never be the same again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 8:00:17 GMT
When is Muni back?
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Post by Davef on Feb 25, 2015 8:31:46 GMT
I significantly remember Ryan having problems with his knees and his back not long after we signed him because he was still growing!
He shot up two inches in twelve months and was having sugar injections and rest between games to help him overcome the pain.
I wonder if that's now catching up with him? He's played a hell of a lot of games for us over the past five years.
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Post by RAF on Feb 25, 2015 8:36:32 GMT
Shawcross, Walters and Crouch three of our senior players have been nursing injuries now for a while and I repeat the unwillingness to strengthen in the jan window and just shrug our shoulders on the part of the CEO and board is very disappointing to say the least. When you add the injuries to others that were already know by mid jan it's pretty unforgivable tbh. It wasn't an unwillingness though was it? Hughesy said they were trying to get at least two players in and it didn't work out. I suppose we could have brought in a couple of players like Jeff Whitley and Andrew Davies a piece of piss, but what would have been the point? The injury list is just fucking bad luck. H
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Post by foster on Feb 25, 2015 8:36:57 GMT
Sadly I predicted this as soon as I heard it was spinal. I don't think people understand how serious this could be. Get well soon Ryan. I literally feel your pain! Do you though? Do you really feel the pain? As in, spinal pain, in your back. Where your spine is. I don't think so!! If anyone feels the pain it's me as I'm recovering from a herniated disk. They've got me taking anti-power pills since the diagnosis showed that my spine could not handle the sheer magnitude of power generated by my muscles. There was some discussion about replacing my bones with titanium as a precautionary measure but I opted against that for the time being.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 25, 2015 8:44:22 GMT
It was an unwillingness to strengthen born out of an arrogant transfer policy. To let one loan go and let a senior defender go the day before the final game before the window shut is either arrogant or negligent and most likely both.
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Post by elystokie on Feb 25, 2015 8:51:52 GMT
Not out as long as first thought apparently, he was on the wireless the other day saying recovery is going very well, think he'll probably miss Hull and Everton still but may be back after that if I heard it right.
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Post by foster on Feb 25, 2015 8:53:12 GMT
It was an unwillingness to strengthen born out of an arrogant transfer policy. To let one loan go and let a senior defender go the day before the final game before the window shut is either arrogant or negligent and most likely both. To be fair, I don't see Huth as being good enough for us at this time, and I'd rather he get game time elsewhere than here while he's recovering whatever fitness/form he can. He'll likely be off in the summer anyway. We've suffered for two games and I would hardly call that arrogance or negligence. More likely confidence in the squad and players we have remaining. I doubt having Huth would have made a difference for those games and if he were here now he'd be back on the bench or in the reserves. As it is, his wage is being covered or partially covered and he's getting playing time which helps him for the future. Not sure about his contract but if it doesn't expire this summer then we also have more chance to get something out of selling him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 9:34:20 GMT
We're already safe. Let him undergo the surgery if that is the most definitive course of action. If he has spinal surgery he will never be the same again. Steve Bould had spinal surgery and went on to play his best football.
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Post by JoeinOz on Feb 25, 2015 9:36:42 GMT
Dont piss about with hamstrings and backs.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Feb 25, 2015 9:44:11 GMT
Not being able to bring in cover during January was just unfortunate..... However, letting Huth go out on loan was just plain rediculous!!!
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Post by elystokie on Feb 25, 2015 9:47:15 GMT
If he has spinal surgery he will never be the same again. Steve Bould had spinal surgery and went on to play his best football. Obviously at a vastly different level, but I had a disc removed in my early twenties and played rugby and football with no problem after. I still have pain now and then and always will but a memory foam mattress has worked absolute wonders for me, I'd suggest he gets one of them if he hasn't already. (thumbsup)
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2015 10:03:35 GMT
We're already safe. Let him undergo the surgery if that is the most definitive course of action. If he has spinal surgery he will never be the same again. Is rest a better option then? For me, he needs to be given the best treatment in the world. If that's rest, then so be it. We're close to mathematically safe (and that's only mathematically, really we already are) and it's a non argument rushing him back. I would rather he not play again this season and be fresh for next. Wolly proved again at the weekend he does have the ability, if only lacking a bit of pace. He's inconsistent and lacks Ryan's natural leadership but that'll come. Muniesa is yet to come back, Wilson is also available. Geoff is also two matches away from a return. We have cover, none are Ryan but they're all capable of filling in. Johnny Tex is the only one I feel needs work. He looked exposed against villa.
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Post by huddy on Feb 25, 2015 10:08:28 GMT
Walters degenerative knee is also a long term condition involving rest and missing training as part of the treatment.Bit like Paul McGrath for those who remember him! Crouch was a routine groin injection-nothing long term.
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Post by enuntio on Feb 25, 2015 10:15:10 GMT
As soon as he went down the second time it looked bad for him and straight away alarm bells should have been ringing in the managers head "HUTH HUTH, HUTH HUTH, HUTH HUTH" Prudence and all that...
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Post by 2004 on Feb 25, 2015 10:17:07 GMT
No need to risk him if it's serious. As long as all of our players are fit for the start of next season.
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Post by apb1 on Feb 25, 2015 10:19:21 GMT
If he has spinal surgery he will never be the same again. Is rest a better option then? For me, he needs to be given the best treatment in the world. If that's rest, then so be it. We're close to mathematically safe (and that's only mathematically, really we already are) and it's a non argument rushing him back. I would rather he not play again this season and be fresh for next. Wolly proved again at the weekend he does have the ability, if only lacking a bit of pace. He's inconsistent and lacks Ryan's natural leadership but that'll come. Muniesa is yet to come back, Wilson is also available. Geoff is also two matches away from a return. We have cover, none are Ryan but they're all capable of filling in. Johnny Tex is the only one I feel needs work. He looked exposed against villa. Cameron is available only a one match ban for professional fouls I think.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 25, 2015 10:24:19 GMT
It was an unwillingness to strengthen born out of an arrogant transfer policy. To let one loan go and let a senior defender go the day before the final game before the window shut is either arrogant or negligent and most likely both. To be fair, I don't see Huth as being good enough for us at this time, and I'd rather he get game time elsewhere than here while he's recovering whatever fitness/form he can. He'll likely be off in the summer anyway. We've suffered for two games and I would hardly call that arrogance or negligence. More likely confidence in the squad and players we have remaining. I doubt having Huth would have made a difference for those games and if he were here now he'd be back on the bench or in the reserves. As it is, his wage is being covered or partially covered and he's getting playing time which helps him for the future. Not sure about his contract but if it doesn't expire this summer then we also have more chance to get something out of selling him. He had a decent enough game in an away Premier League game on Sunday and I've seen absolutely nothing, zilch to suggest that Wollscheid is a superior option. Shawcross's constant niggle was known about, Muniesa's constant struggles were known about, Erik was already out, it was just insanity to agree the Huth deal prior to the final game before the window closed. The same with Assaidi, you let him leave with just two weeks of the window remaining without having anyone else remotely lined up. Arrogance.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2015 10:40:36 GMT
Is rest a better option then? For me, he needs to be given the best treatment in the world. If that's rest, then so be it. We're close to mathematically safe (and that's only mathematically, really we already are) and it's a non argument rushing him back. I would rather he not play again this season and be fresh for next. Wolly proved again at the weekend he does have the ability, if only lacking a bit of pace. He's inconsistent and lacks Ryan's natural leadership but that'll come. Muniesa is yet to come back, Wilson is also available. Geoff is also two matches away from a return. We have cover, none are Ryan but they're all capable of filling in. Johnny Tex is the only one I feel needs work. He looked exposed against villa. Cameron is available only a one match ban for professional fouls I think. I thought it was 3? If it's only 1 then even better. So we have options. We know that Wilson can play centre back, we know that Muniesa will be back in 4 to 5 weeks. Geoff also has experience at centre half. Right now, I wouldn't change the team if at all possible. I thought Wolly was superb and Wilson did well too. The only real concern is Pieters but I've not heard any update on that. If he's out, I suggest we revert to Cameron at right back and Bardsley at left back.
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Post by apb1 on Feb 25, 2015 10:53:01 GMT
Pieters is training again I think I read in Sentinel, so hopefully he'll be up for the Saturday or the midweek game at least, before getting a nice lay off for 10 days. If we can manage without Ryan for the next two games, and it will significantly help him recover, we should. I'd rest Walters for one of the nesttwo games as well, give Arnie a runout, and hopefully Crouch can start one of them. This is where having a stronger squad really helps. People go on about deadwood but other than Palacios and perhaps Wilko, there isn't any now, reflecting we are an established Premier League club. Adam and Sidwell over Tonge and Soares, Arnie over Danny Pugh, Muniesa over Sonko, etc etc. What we do have, and I think this is what vexes Momo, are empty squad places, which means when a particular area is hammered, we are struggling.
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Post by timbo1988 on Feb 25, 2015 11:02:04 GMT
Walters degenerative knee is also a long term condition involving rest and missing training as part of the treatment.Bit like Paul McGrath for those who remember him! Crouch was a routine groin injection-nothing long term. His knee is nothing like Paul McGrath's! Walters problem was said to be with the fat pad where as Paul McGrath had arthritis in his knee!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 11:13:09 GMT
All I can say is, make sure Stoke get Ryan right. I'd sooner leave him out, and get him fit, than lose him long term. Top man is Ryan!
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Post by metalhead on Feb 25, 2015 11:14:39 GMT
Walters degenerative knee is also a long term condition involving rest and missing training as part of the treatment.Bit like Paul McGrath for those who remember him! Crouch was a routine groin injection-nothing long term. Fair few players in the past like that. Ledley King used to train once a week. Pretty sure I read somewhere that knee troubles meant Paddy Vieira used to have two days rest after a game as well.
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Post by timbo1988 on Feb 25, 2015 11:22:18 GMT
Walters degenerative knee is also a long term condition involving rest and missing training as part of the treatment.Bit like Paul McGrath for those who remember him! Crouch was a routine groin injection-nothing long term. Fair few players in the past like that. Ledley King used to train once a week. Pretty sure I read somewhere that knee troubles meant Paddy Vieira used to have two days rest after a game as well. Walters problem is nothing like those though! Walters has something called fat pad trappment and the rest in between games to stop him have it operated on! I personally think in the summer he will have an operation or the rest over the summer will heal it! King and McGrath both had arthritis and no operation or treatment could fix their problem!
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