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Post by march4 on Feb 14, 2015 22:52:22 GMT
Lets get Dicko back as well Would prefer Shotton mesen!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 4:57:05 GMT
Bring Tex on swap Bards to left back Muni to right and take Arnie off. Muni and Tex are injured are they not. Wilko is one of only 3 defenders left in the squad who is not injured or suspended Think he will play.. Ironically we need a bit of his spirit at this moment in time He was on the bench against Man City and Today !
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Post by huddy on Feb 15, 2015 8:20:01 GMT
I love the fella but God was he bad yesterday.
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Post by UNKLE on Feb 15, 2015 9:11:10 GMT
It is unfair to single Wilko out, but the truth of the matter is that he has never been anything other than a local lad who always tried his best, but was usually a penalty or red card waiting to happen. His ability on the ball was absolutely shocking throughout his career, and it sums up the rose tinted view of Wilko that a lot of this board have, when you think that one of his most cheered moments was fouling Ronaldo to get a sending off against Man U, that then led to us losing a crucial game 1-0 having had to play the final 20 minutes with 10 men. He was no worse than anyone else wearing red and white today, but if people seriously think he deserves another go, then we should probably resign ourselves to div 1 football within 2 years - mind you I have the same opinion about our wonderful sideways passing, foul creating, walking paced passenger of a midfield player - cue Wezza telling me that I am out of my tiny mind. Agree with every word. He has played his part in the past but he needs to move on. I thought it was a very strange substitution the first place. Chasing the game and you take off a creative player and replace him with a rusty fourth choice RB.
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Post by 2004 on Feb 15, 2015 9:17:21 GMT
Some very poor passing from Wilko
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Post by sopendal on Feb 15, 2015 9:17:36 GMT
Bring Tex on swap Bards to left back Muni to right and take Arnie off. Muni and Tex are injured are they not. Wilko is one of only 3 defenders left in the squad who is not injured or suspended Think he will play.. Ironically we need a bit of his spirit at this moment in time muni seems to be out for several weeks, possibly months. tex is ready to go, though it looks like the more crap someone plays, the sooner he is gonna be put on the pitch. starting to be curious if this trade to stoke city did any good to tex at all..
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Post by dutchstokie on Feb 15, 2015 9:33:32 GMT
Wollscheid was much worse than any player on the pitch. I've calmed down now but fuck me we're fucked if this is the direction we're heading. Jesus fucking christ. Wank. Utter fucking wank. Why are you holding back sheik.......?
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Post by stantheman on Feb 15, 2015 9:53:54 GMT
Wilko was poor when he came on but he blended on nicely with the dross he was playing alongside. Too many players gave up yesterday, possibly as they left the pitch at the end of the 1st half.
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Post by metalhead on Feb 15, 2015 9:57:46 GMT
Was no worse than the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 10:51:58 GMT
It is unfair to single Wilko out, but the truth of the matter is that he has never been anything other than a local lad who always tried his best, but was usually a penalty or red card waiting to happen. His ability on the ball was absolutely shocking throughout his career, and it sums up the rose tinted view of Wilko that a lot of this board have, when you think that one of his most cheered moments was fouling Ronaldo to get a sending off against Man U, that then led to us losing a crucial game 1-0 having had to play the final 20 minutes with 10 men. He was no worse than anyone else wearing red and white today, but if people seriously think he deserves another go, then we should probably resign ourselves to div 1 football within 2 years - mind you I have the same opinion about our wonderful sideways passing, foul creating, walking paced passenger of a midfield player - cue Wezza telling me that I am out of my tiny mind. Completely agree
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 10:55:21 GMT
I would imagine Wilko would now struggle to get in vales first eleven
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Feb 15, 2015 10:56:11 GMT
Wilko wasn't any worse than anyone else but had the excuse for not playing in our team for about 2 and a half years.
That said assuming Erik is fit now, he will be consigned to the bench with Bards moving back to right back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 11:09:08 GMT
The worst right back in the Premier League since Geoff Cameron.
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Post by maccatheacca on Feb 15, 2015 19:12:27 GMT
Like the rest of the defence he was poor. But it's his lack of composure and poor distribution which is most concerning. We definitely need better!
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 15, 2015 19:16:59 GMT
To be honest. I'd rather have Wilko at RB than Bardsley or Cameron at the moment... they think they're bloddy Ronaldo going forward instead of sitting back defending in a high back four line the last two games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 19:21:07 GMT
It may not be ideal bringing back Wilko but one thing the lad will do for us is put his all in. When needs must I'm happy with that
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Post by fortressbritannia on Feb 15, 2015 19:21:29 GMT
He's going to smash home a last minute winner v WBA, its in the stars.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 15, 2015 19:27:48 GMT
Hang on. Andy Wilkinson who was a regular at Championship Milwall and a big part of the team up to a couple of years ago, would struggle to get into a Vale side in which an out of position Carl Dickinson is their current player of the season?
I really do despair sometimes
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 19:36:53 GMT
How many players have we signed over the years to replace Wilko at right back ? More to the point how many have succeeded ? The answer to the last question is a big fat zero
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 15, 2015 20:16:57 GMT
How many players have we signed over the years to replace Wilko at right back ? More to the point how many have succeeded ? The answer to the last question is a big fat zero We always said we needed a LB and neglected both. Bardsley is no replacement. Cameron is a squad fill in he's really a midfielder in disguise. But half the problem is the tactics as well we've never had such a highline as of late.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2015 20:22:55 GMT
How many players have we signed over the years to replace Wilko at right back ? More to the point how many have succeeded ? The answer to the last question is a big fat zero We always said we needed a LB and neglected both. Bardsley is no replacement. Cameron is a squad fill in he's really a midfielder in disguise. But half the problem is the tactics as well we've never had such a highline as of late. Bardsley is quite possibly the only player to emerge from yesterday with any credit at all. I don't get the criticism bardsley comes in for. He's been decent for the most part, especially given he's played most of the season injured.
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 15, 2015 20:32:31 GMT
We always said we needed a LB and neglected both. Bardsley is no replacement. Cameron is a squad fill in he's really a midfielder in disguise. But half the problem is the tactics as well we've never had such a highline as of late. Bardsley is quite possibly the only player to emerge from yesterday with any credit at all. I don't get the criticism bardsley comes in for. He's been decent for the most part, especially given he's played most of the season injured. Nah, he's wild with the ball at his feet, out of position more than Cameron at times and tries to pass and overlap with Moses which makes him unable to get back and defend because moses doesn't try to get back leaving Muniesa alone because Glenn and Nzonzi have been venturing forward more as of late. If anything he's a little of an improvement on Wilko. He was woeful yesterday and has the ability of a donkey controlling the ball at his feet he's like a league one player dribbling. I've never seen a player lose possession passing to himself then overrunning the ball more in the Prem than Phil. He's not injured anymore and continues to bomb forward. I'll give him credit that Josh king chose wollsheid's pace to attack mostly because the one cross that they attempted because they had free reign on the middle of the park Bardsley didn't stop and they flicked on for the peno. He backs off more than a pedo to a church on the edge of the box. I think he's decent for a body to block a shot. But he's been a disappointment over the entire season barring Man City away where he defended like a man on a mission, now he back tracks like a man afraid. He Cameron and Wilko aren't good enough at fullback. Sorry.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 15, 2015 20:39:00 GMT
Bardsley is quite possibly the only player to emerge from yesterday with any credit at all. I don't get the criticism bardsley comes in for. He's been decent for the most part, especially given he's played most of the season injured. Nah, he's wild with the ball at his feet, out of position more than Cameron at times and tries to pass and overlap with Moses which makes him unable to get back and defend because moses doesn't try to get back leaving Muniesa alone because Glenn and Nzonzi have been venturing forward more as of late. If anything he's a little of an improvement on Wilko. He was woeful yesterday and has the ability of a donkey controlling the ball at his feet he's like a league one player dribbling. I've never seen a player lose possession passing to himself then overrunning the ball more in the Prem than Phil. He's not injured anymore and continues to bomb forward. I'll give him credit that Josh king chose wollsheid's pace to attack mostly because the one cross that Bardsley didn't stop they flicked on for the peno. He backs off more than a pedo to a church on the edge of the box. I think he's decent for a body to block a shot. But he's been a disappointment over the entire season barring Man City away where he defended like a man on a mission, now he back tracks like a man afraid. He Cameron and Wilko aren't good enough at fullback. Sorry. King played down Cameron's side and the reason we looked so shit was because Cameron (then wilko) let wollschied fill the right back position. No one is out of position more than Cameron. Even Wilson is rock solid in comparison. Cameron is woeful and he proves it time after time, game after game. His last two performances have been reminiscent of Brian "disco" Small at his best.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 15, 2015 20:47:37 GMT
No one was good enough today to focus on wilkinson is just fuckwittery. Bardsley - shit, Muniesa -ok, Woolschit- very, very, very fucking shit indeed (can we have our other German back please), Cameron - typically shit etc etc Muni okay He was one of the worst.
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 15, 2015 20:47:56 GMT
Nah, he's wild with the ball at his feet, out of position more than Cameron at times and tries to pass and overlap with Moses which makes him unable to get back and defend because moses doesn't try to get back leaving Muniesa alone because Glenn and Nzonzi have been venturing forward more as of late. If anything he's a little of an improvement on Wilko. He was woeful yesterday and has the ability of a donkey controlling the ball at his feet he's like a league one player dribbling. I've never seen a player lose possession passing to himself then overrunning the ball more in the Prem than Phil. He's not injured anymore and continues to bomb forward. I'll give him credit that Josh king chose wollsheid's pace to attack mostly because the one cross that Bardsley didn't stop they flicked on for the peno. He backs off more than a pedo to a church on the edge of the box. I think he's decent for a body to block a shot. But he's been a disappointment over the entire season barring Man City away where he defended like a man on a mission, now he back tracks like a man afraid. He Cameron and Wilko aren't good enough at fullback. Sorry. King played down Cameron's side and the reason we looked so shit was because Cameron (then wilko) let wollschied fill the right back position. No one is out of position more than Cameron. Even Wilson is rock solid in comparison. Cameron is woeful and he proves it time after time, game after game. His last two performances have been reminiscent of Brian "disco" Small at his best. I'm sorry but both fullbacks were wildly out of position yesterday, if you don't think so I had a recording of the game to prove it. Bardsley was in their half more than Cameron who was also to far forward all the time. It doesn't matter if Bardsley is at RB, or LB... his skill and technical ability makes wilko's dribbling look good and Phil's passing ability consists of sideways to Muniesa or smashing it forward clearing it up field if he doesn't attempt to be Ronaldo (without the ability) going forward on the break losing possession by his own accord more than anyone in our side. To which 90% of his problems lie, bombing forward. Because he does so with complete lack of defensive awareness he tries to play with Moses on the edge where within his lack of athleticism to get actually get back and defend hurts his cause. Wilson is miles more solid and composed at LB or RB than Bardsley or Cameron at actually staying "back" and being a defender. Cameron isn't a real Fullback. He's a makeshift one going forward trying to play in midfield his desired position. What's Bardsley excuse week after week? Ohh that's right... he's god awful.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 15, 2015 20:50:34 GMT
I would imagine Wilko would now struggle to get in vales first eleven Utter fucking horse shit.
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 15, 2015 21:02:56 GMT
I don't see the prospect of Wilko being given a chance in the side as the prompt for blind panic, as others do. He's not Bryan Small. He's not even Danny bloody Collins. I'd happily see him have a couple of games there to see if he's even remotely near the pace any more. Even rusty, he's probably still a better defender than certain other right back options, even if he's never particularly excelled at the attacking side of the game. I'd be more concerned about the prospect of N'Zonzi having to fill in at centre-back, but that's just me.
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Post by stokemanusa on Feb 15, 2015 21:11:02 GMT
I don't see the prospect of Wilko being given a chance in the side as the prompt for blind panic, as others do. He's not Bryan Small. He's not even Danny bloody Collins. I'd happily see him have a couple of games there to see if he's even remotely near the pace any more. Even rusty, he's probably still a better defender than certain other right back options, even if he's never particularly excelled at the attacking side of the game. I'd be more concerned about the prospect of N'Zonzi having to fill in at centre-back, but that's just me. He can't be played in such a high backline as we have had as of late though. Not RB option we have at the club is suitable for it. If Wilko can come in for a few games and just sitback and defend I'm all for it
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 15, 2015 21:17:04 GMT
I don't see the prospect of Wilko being given a chance in the side as the prompt for blind panic, as others do. He's not Bryan Small. He's not even Danny bloody Collins. I'd happily see him have a couple of games there to see if he's even remotely near the pace any more. Even rusty, he's probably still a better defender than certain other right back options, even if he's never particularly excelled at the attacking side of the game. I'd be more concerned about the prospect of N'Zonzi having to fill in at centre-back, but that's just me. He can't be played in such a high backline as we have had as of late though. Not RB option we have at the club is suitable for it. If Wilko can come in for a few games and just sitback and defend I'm all for it I'm not sure there's a single defender in our squad who can deal with being in such a high back line!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 21:24:13 GMT
ok 'up the fud' and boskampflaps - you're both right and I'm OTT
he'd suit yeovil then
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