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Post by partickpotter on Jan 29, 2015 7:06:22 GMT
Ahead of the first Old Firm game for some 3 years on Sunday, Stan Collymore posted this; My Celtic and Rangers thing...Interesting and well worth a read. |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2015 8:08:38 GMT
Me Stoke mates been banging on about this for weeks, cause he works up there & has got a ticket in with Rangers. Says it's full-on bigotry!
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Post by RAF on Jan 29, 2015 8:17:47 GMT
Two utterly repugnant clubs for differing reasons.
I wouldn't lose a seconds sleep if one or both disappeared off the face of the earth.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 29, 2015 8:35:28 GMT
Sorry but that's just the sub pseudo intellectual nonsense that Stanley seems to think is his trademark. It's a fixture worth ignoring and let those sad people who have nothing more in their lives than a desire to 'hate' get on with it.( It should be noted that plenty of Glasgow fans are capable of supporting their teams in a sensible and decent manner but they don't get the attention).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 8:36:06 GMT
Nothing and I mean NOTHING can prepare you for what its like up there and how raw and rife sectarianism is. Stan is a moron at times but the point he's made is more or less why I have a soft spot for Celtic. Im anto monarchy and can't be doing with how many right wingers attach themselves to Rangers. It labels itself as the "quintessential british club" but them we see its fans giving nazi salutes so God knows what that is all about. Rangers fans love the monarchy,ulster,and lean towards the England football team rather than Scotland! Celtic fans love freedom,a united ireland and lean towards the Irish football team. It all then gets embroiled in ancient history. William of Orange and the Battle of the Boyne in 1690,the irish potato famine,everything from the past gets dragged up and used as weapons of hate.
The IRA chants by Celtic fans and the majority being anti poppy sit very uncomfortable with me. Only because I'm English and proud of it and my grandfathers fought in the war. The IRA are terrorist scum,cowardly terrorist scum at that. This said open your eyes more and educate on what it must be like for an irish republican. Someone who lost relatives or friends during the likes of Bloody Sunday or attacks from the UVF and you soon understand why they don't wear the poppy. Celtic singing IRA chants is mentioned a lot but Rangers fans sing loud and proud about the irish famine. Sing abuse about Celtic manager Jock Stein dispite the fact that Stein aided dying Rangers fans during the Ibrox disaster. Tease Celtic fans with chants about their former player Tommy Burns dispite the fact that their own legend Ally mccoist was a pallbearer at his funeral. Its easy to see one side though especially if you lean towards one or the other.
I used to go up to watch Celtic on the rare occasion there wasnt a Stoke game. Like I said nothing can prepare you and it isnt all colourful as the tv portrays the old firm. It goes very deep,very personal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 8:38:50 GMT
Sorry but that's just the sub pseudo intellectual nonsense that Stanley seems to think is his trademark. It's a fixture worth ignoring and let those sad people who have nothing more in their lives than a desire to 'hate' get on with it.( It should be noted that plenty of Glasgow fans are capable of supporting their teams in a sensible and decent manner but they don't get the attention). Well said. Must be awful for pure "football" fans who simply want to watch their teams without all the bollocks attached. |
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 29, 2015 8:48:16 GMT
Sorry but that's just the sub pseudo intellectual nonsense that Stanley seems to think is his trademark. It's a fixture worth ignoring and let those sad people who have nothing more in their lives than a desire to 'hate' get on with it.( It should be noted that plenty of Glasgow fans are capable of supporting their teams in a sensible and decent manner but they don't get the attention). Indeed. That is my experience too. The sad thing is the bigots, who maybe a minorioty - albeit sizeable - dominate the media coverage. So the "normal" football fan is denied the simple pleasures of following their team; including the irrational "hatred" of your rivals because they are your rivals. Stan, being part of the media, gets caught up in the media bubble. Which is understandable. I suppose! |
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Jan 29, 2015 13:05:32 GMT
Nothing and I mean NOTHING can prepare you for what its like up there and how raw and rife sectarianism is. Stan is a moron at times but the point he's made is more or less why I have a soft spot for Celtic. Im anto monarchy and can't be doing with how many right wingers attach themselves to Rangers. It labels itself as the "quintessential british club" but them we see its fans giving nazi salutes so God knows what that is all about. Rangers fans love the monarchy,ulster,and lean towards the England football team rather than Scotland! Celtic fans love freedom,a united ireland and lean towards the Irish football team. It all then gets embroiled in ancient history. William of Orange and the Battle of the Boyne in 1690,the irish potato famine,everything from the past gets dragged up and used as weapons of hate. The IRA chants by Celtic fans and the majority being anti poppy sit very uncomfortable with me. Only because I'm English and proud of it and my grandfathers fought in the war. The IRA are terrorist scum,cowardly terrorist scum at that. This said open your eyes more and educate on what it must be like for an irish republican. Someone who lost relatives or friends during the likes of Bloody Sunday or attacks from the UVF and you soon understand why they don't wear the poppy. Celtic singing IRA chants is mentioned a lot but Rangers fans sing loud and proud about the irish famine. Sing abuse about Celtic manager Jock Stein dispite the fact that Stein aided dying Rangers fans during the Ibrox disaster. Tease Celtic fans with chants about their former player Tommy Burns dispite the fact that their own legend Ally mccoist was a pallbearer at his funeral. Its easy to see one side though especially if you lean towards one or the other. I used to go up to watch Celtic on the rare occasion there wasnt a Stoke game. Like I said nothing can prepare you and it isnt all colourful as the tv portrays the old firm. It goes very deep,very personal. Having lived in Scotland for some years, and having many friends who are Rangers fans, I feel duty bound to point out that this Nazi Salute thing is a common misconception. What most are actually doing is displaying the palm of their hand, which represents the 'Red Hand of Ulster', which you'll find on many loyalist symbols. I'm sure there's one or two who do it as a Nazi thing but that's not what the vast majority are doing. People see it and jump to the wrong conclusion. However, it does have to be said that the senseless bigotry and sectarianism is enough to make you weep. It has no rightful place in this day and age. |
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Post by mozzermozzer on Jan 29, 2015 13:18:05 GMT
Mon the Bhoys(-:
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 15:38:32 GMT
Nothing and I mean NOTHING can prepare you for what its like up there and how raw and rife sectarianism is. Stan is a moron at times but the point he's made is more or less why I have a soft spot for Celtic. Im anto monarchy and can't be doing with how many right wingers attach themselves to Rangers. It labels itself as the "quintessential british club" but them we see its fans giving nazi salutes so God knows what that is all about. Rangers fans love the monarchy,ulster,and lean towards the England football team rather than Scotland! Celtic fans love freedom,a united ireland and lean towards the Irish football team. It all then gets embroiled in ancient history. William of Orange and the Battle of the Boyne in 1690,the irish potato famine,everything from the past gets dragged up and used as weapons of hate. The IRA chants by Celtic fans and the majority being anti poppy sit very uncomfortable with me. Only because I'm English and proud of it and my grandfathers fought in the war. The IRA are terrorist scum,cowardly terrorist scum at that. This said open your eyes more and educate on what it must be like for an irish republican. Someone who lost relatives or friends during the likes of Bloody Sunday or attacks from the UVF and you soon understand why they don't wear the poppy. Celtic singing IRA chants is mentioned a lot but Rangers fans sing loud and proud about the irish famine. Sing abuse about Celtic manager Jock Stein dispite the fact that Stein aided dying Rangers fans during the Ibrox disaster. Tease Celtic fans with chants about their former player Tommy Burns dispite the fact that their own legend Ally mccoist was a pallbearer at his funeral. Its easy to see one side though especially if you lean towards one or the other. I used to go up to watch Celtic on the rare occasion there wasnt a Stoke game. Like I said nothing can prepare you and it isnt all colourful as the tv portrays the old firm. It goes very deep,very personal. Having lived in Scotland for some years, and having many friends who are Rangers fans, I feel duty bound to point out that this Nazi Salute thing is a common misconception. What most are actually doing is displaying the palm of their hand, which represents the 'Red Hand of Ulster', which you'll find on many loyalist symbols. I'm sure there's one or two who do it as a Nazi thing but that's not what the vast majority are doing. People see it and jump to the wrong conclusion. However, it does have to be said that the senseless bigotry and sectarianism is enough to make you weep. It has no rightful place in this day and age. Mate I never realised that before about the red hand and now youve said it its so obvious! I think some havnt realised either and just do the nazi thing anyway!! Youre quite right,some of what gets said or sung,by both sides,is appaling. You have to feel sorry for the genuine fans who arnt involved in it at all. I have Rangers and Celtic friends from my trips up there and luckily they are not involved in the silly stuff at all. Many have brought up with the hatred and had it passed on from generations. Very sad. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Jan 29, 2015 16:25:25 GMT
It is difficult to understand sectarianism if you don't live with it. So putting that aside, The Old Firm derby is an unbelievable footballing occasion.
Pure football theatre in one of the world's real football cities. Whatever the state of Scottish football, Glasgow is a city that can pull 50,000 plus supporters to 2 clubs. Outside of South America, there are not many cities that can boast that. Madrid, Istanbul, possibly Manchester, London or Milan, but that's about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 17:15:59 GMT
Collymore can try and dress it up anyway he wants but the truth is he was a Rangers fan before he knocked Ulrika about when she was in the pub with McCoist and a Celtic fan after. He needs to get back on his meds if he thinks the timing of his Damascus moment was just a coincidence.
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Post by werrington on Jan 29, 2015 18:24:14 GMT
Collymore can try and dress it up anyway he wants but the truth is he was a Rangers fan before he knocked Ulrika about when she was in the pub with McCoist and a Celtic fan after. He needs to get back on his meds if he thinks the timing of his Damascus moment was just a coincidence. I thought he hit ulrika in a French bar ( Paris ? ) in France 98 whilst she was cavorting with a Scottish rugby international It was the day of the opening game Brazil v Scotland Could be wrong though |
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Post by bathstoke on Jan 29, 2015 18:30:10 GMT
Collymore can try and dress it up anyway he wants but the truth is he was a Rangers fan before he knocked Ulrika about when she was in the pub with McCoist and a Celtic fan after. He needs to get back on his meds if he thinks the timing of his Damascus moment was just a coincidence. I thought he hit ulrika in a French bar ( Paris ? ) in France 98 whilst she was cavorting with a Scottish rugby international It was the day of the opening game Brazil v Scotland Could be wrong though Wasn't there talk of some sort of Deep Throat simulation on a beer bottle!?! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 19:17:40 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 29, 2015 21:22:22 GMT
Nothing and I mean NOTHING can prepare you for what its like up there and how raw and rife sectarianism is. Stan is a moron at times but the point he's made is more or less why I have a soft spot for Celtic. Im anto monarchy and can't be doing with how many right wingers attach themselves to Rangers. It labels itself as the "quintessential british club" but them we see its fans giving nazi salutes so God knows what that is all about. Rangers fans love the monarchy,ulster,and lean towards the England football team rather than Scotland! Celtic fans love freedom,a united ireland and lean towards the Irish football team. It all then gets embroiled in ancient history. William of Orange and the Battle of the Boyne in 1690,the irish potato famine,everything from the past gets dragged up and used as weapons of hate. The IRA chants by Celtic fans and the majority being anti poppy sit very uncomfortable with me. Only because I'm English and proud of it and my grandfathers fought in the war. The IRA are terrorist scum,cowardly terrorist scum at that. This said open your eyes more and educate on what it must be like for an irish republican. Someone who lost relatives or friends during the likes of Bloody Sunday or attacks from the UVF and you soon understand why they don't wear the poppy. Celtic singing IRA chants is mentioned a lot but Rangers fans sing loud and proud about the irish famine. Sing abuse about Celtic manager Jock Stein dispite the fact that Stein aided dying Rangers fans during the Ibrox disaster. Tease Celtic fans with chants about their former player Tommy Burns dispite the fact that their own legend Ally mccoist was a pallbearer at his funeral. Its easy to see one side though especially if you lean towards one or the other. I used to go up to watch Celtic on the rare occasion there wasnt a Stoke game. Like I said nothing can prepare you and it isnt all colourful as the tv portrays the old firm. It goes very deep,very personal. Having lived in Scotland for some years, and having many friends who are Rangers fans, I feel duty bound to point out that this Nazi Salute thing is a common misconception. What most are actually doing is displaying the palm of their hand, which represents the 'Red Hand of Ulster', which you'll find on many loyalist symbols. I'm sure there's one or two who do it as a Nazi thing but that's not what the vast majority are doing. People see it and jump to the wrong conclusion. However, it does have to be said that the senseless bigotry and sectarianism is enough to make you weep. It has no rightful place in this day and age. Speaking from the perspective of someone who has lived in Glasgow for over 25 years and is well into the football scene up here - don't make excuses for the red hand salute. Without exception, the Rangers fans I know think this is an embarrassment. Those who do it know exactly what they are doing. Complete dickheads. Same goes for the other side who embarass Celtic supporters with their IRA chants. Neither groups represent the reality of the majority who get along with each other fine. Well, maybe not for 90 minutes on Sunday. But other than that; hunky dory. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Jan 29, 2015 21:51:37 GMT
I like quite like Rangers, as individuals they've always seemed top lads, always up for a laugh.
I can't say the same for Celtic fans, had a quite a few disagreements in the past, most recently a couple of years ago while a group of them were walking around the Arndale in Manchester singing IRA songs.
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Post by superscfc on Jan 29, 2015 23:26:08 GMT
I was born in Glasgow, lived there as a kid until I was about 10 then moved south. It's hard for anyone to understand what the 'Old Firm' is like, it's not just a game of football, it's everything these people stand for. I used to love the old firm matches, they got everyone in the city absolutely buzzing for weeks before hand, everyone would be talking about it and I genuinely believe there is no other game like it. Truly hard to explain what it's like but if you ever get the chance to go to this game do not turn it down, there is no atmosphere like Ibrox/Parkhead on Old Firm day. My family are Rangers but cousins are Celtic due to other influences, most Rangers and Celtic fans get on very well, drink in the pubs together etc but on Old Firm day the City is completely divided, no Rangers fan wants to see any Celtic fan after a defeat (family or not) and vice-versa. The standard of football in Scotland is poor compared to the top tiers of the English league but no English leahue fixture matches in comparison in my honest opinion. Man United vs Liverpool is nothing on it, Spurs vs Arsenal, Milwall v West Ham or even Stoke v Arsenal  As a boy I was Rangers, I keep an eye on how they're doing, I'm not a supporter as such. I respect Celtic and their fans because they create a fantastic atmosphere as do Rangers. I will no way in hell miss Sunday's match because the Old Firm is a fantastic fixture and holds so many memories for me as a Glaswegian. If anyone on this board has been to a game they will back me up, there is nothing quite like the old firm. I am a massive Stokie these days though so UTP and let's smash QPR Saturday. Edit: oh and Stan Collymore is a wanker, take the notice of anything he says the wee fucking ballbag |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 30, 2015 7:25:54 GMT
Two utterly repugnant clubs for differing reasons. I wouldn't lose a seconds sleep if one or both disappeared off the face of the earth. H  |
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