Moses - now end of Jan

[sufolkstokie]

Hughes, who has already expressed his frustration at not being able to have Moses treated at Stoke, commented: "He's still at Chelsea and working with the physios there.


"We are probably still looking at three to four more weeks, I would suggest, so if we can get him back before the end of January we would be delighted.

[2004]

Chelsea physios are shite?

[davejohnno1]

If we had the option to terminate his loan move, I'd terminate it.

He's either on loan here for the season or he isn't.

If we can't terminate it, then sign him permanently and we can treat him ourselves.

[Laughing Gravy]

Dec 30, 2014 10:27:56 GMT 2004 said:

Chelsea physios are shite?

But fit

Thought you'd like it Pedro

[stokemanusa]

I think to be honest if we could get another loanee domestically we could terminate and be better off with someone who is looking to stay here. I don't get the feeling Moses wants to be a potter longterm.

[Stafford-Stokie]

Thats what happens when you dive into shollow (or no) water.

[foxysgloves]

Anybody else get the feeling Mr Moses isn't all that interested in little old Stoke.

[Deleted]

Dec 30, 2014 11:12:00 GMT foxysgloves said:

Anybody else get the feeling Mr Moses isn't all that interested in little old Stoke.

It became apparent to me after quite a short time. Didn't he then comment that he saw his future at Chelsea? I'd be staggered if he stayed here.

[cheekymatt71]

he will end up here but only after his Agent has shopped him about Europe for the biggest signing-on fee.

Its modern football. Moses doesnt give a fuck about Stoke, just his own pockets

[chiefdelilah]

Dec 30, 2014 11:12:00 GMT foxysgloves said:

Anybody else get the feeling Mr Moses isn't all that interested in little old Stoke.

What, for not having the healing powers of Wolverine?

[Northy]

Dec 30, 2014 10:35:19 GMT davejohnno1 said:

If we had the option to terminate his loan move, I'd terminate it.

He's either on loan here for the season or he isn't.

If we can't terminate it, then sign him permanently and we can treat him ourselves.

All depends on the cost of signing him though doesn't it, what would Chelsea want for him?

I don't think he wants to be with uslong term anyway, he probably thinks he should be at a top 6 side, but he doesn't make their teams on the day much does he?

[davejohnno1]

Nor do I hence I say if we can terminate his loan, terminate it and get someone else in that actually wants to be here.

[Stafford-Stokie]

It will take a few quid to get anyone as good in but I can do without his diving. I fuckin hate diving and even more when it is our own doing it.

[Gob Bluth]

Not sure I agree with terminating his contract. I am however hoping that the club have authorised his return to Chelsea with some sort of fee - it does seem unfair that we'll be paying for him in some way without having access to or being in control of how quickly he recovers. Swanning around London does have more of an appeal than Stoke unfortunately.

If we're looking at terminating loan contracts I'd much rather see Ozzy go especially after his attitude when it came to signing for us in the summer. He's added little this season and I'd prefer we'd use the game time on someone else, even if it's just to give Shenton some experience despite it not being through the middle. Diouf has been preferred out wide to Ozzy and I think he's been largely ineffective this season. His reputation of being a player that covers ground is fair but he often doesn't track his man when needed and his run very rarely results in a tackle or closing down of a man and his strike ratio can't be great.

[foxysgloves]

Dec 30, 2014 11:23:37 GMT chiefdelilah said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:12:00 GMT foxysgloves said:

Anybody else get the feeling Mr Moses isn't all that interested in little old Stoke.

What, for not having the healing powers of Wolverine?

For stating several times that this is purely a temporary move.

For constantly "picking up" little injuries.

For staying very quiet on his injury situation.....not a hint of "can't wait to get back to playing for Stoke" from what I've heard.

Purely a feeling on my part, I could be way off and probably am, but my instinct tells me Vic sees a bigger, brighter future than SCFC.

I hope I'm wrong because he's a great player.

[foxysgloves]

Dec 30, 2014 11:29:44 GMT davejohnno1 said:

Nor do I hence I say if we can terminate his loan, terminate it and get someone else in that actually wants to be here.

That's pretty much my feeling. I'm sure Hughes can suss him out.

If he's not interested then I'd be getting rid.

[chiefdelilah]

Dec 30, 2014 11:38:13 GMT foxysgloves said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:23:37 GMT chiefdelilah said:

What, for not having the healing powers of Wolverine?

For stating several times that this is purely a temporary move.

For constantly "picking up" little injuries.

For staying very quiet on his injury situation.....not a hint of "can't wait to get back to playing for Stoke" from what I've heard.

Purely a feeling on my part, I could be way off and probably am, but my instinct tells me Vic sees a bigger, brighter future than SCFC.

I hope I'm wrong because he's a great player.

Little injuries like the one that's kept him out for the last two months?

Or the little injuries of a man whose pre-season lasted about 24 minutes?

Hasn't he only stated once that he's still a Chelsea player and sees his immediate future there (as virtually anyone in his position would)?

Like it or not, we are a stepping stone for quality players. As long as Moses delivers the goods while he's here - and he's already made a strong impact - that's more than enough for me.

I'd rather roll the dice on him getting back to his early season performances than let him go and lose what he brings to the table.

[Gods]

Dec 30, 2014 11:38:13 GMT foxysgloves said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:23:37 GMT chiefdelilah said:

What, for not having the healing powers of Wolverine?

For stating several times that this is purely a temporary move.

For constantly "picking up" little injuries.

For staying very quiet on his injury situation.....not a hint of "can't wait to get back to playing for Stoke" from what I've heard.

Purely a feeling on my part, I could be way off and probably am, but my instinct tells me Vic sees a bigger, brighter future than SCFC.

I hope I'm wrong because he's a great player.

yeah I'm not feeling the love from Moses either.

My guess is that it is difficult for anyone who thinks they have made the move to the top table (Chelsea in this case) and therefore they believe they have put behind them all that journeyman stuff only to find they were in fact promoted beyond their means.

Some will be happy to move back down and roll their sleeves up in order to play others will prefer to hang on to the top table status even if it means rarely actually getting a game.

[chiefdelilah]

Dec 30, 2014 11:46:14 GMT Gods said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:38:13 GMT foxysgloves said:

For stating several times that this is purely a temporary move.

For constantly "picking up" little injuries.

For staying very quiet on his injury situation.....not a hint of "can't wait to get back to playing for Stoke" from what I've heard.

Purely a feeling on my part, I could be way off and probably am, but my instinct tells me Vic sees a bigger, brighter future than SCFC.

I hope I'm wrong because he's a great player.

yeah I'm not feeling the love from Moses either.

My guess is that it is difficult for anyone who thinks they have made the move to the top table (Chelsea in this case) and therefore they believe they have put behind them all that journeyman stuff only to find they were in fact promoted beyond their means.

Some will be happy to move back down and roll their sleeves up in order to play others will prefer to hang on to the top table status even if it means rarely actually getting a game.

He's been happy enough to actually move here though hasn't he? Which suggests he does want to play.

He might be playing for a move to a bigger club than us, he might be reminding Jose of what he can do, he might be happy to take a step back and sign for us.

[wearepremierleague]

He's a class player. He obviously isn't going to say he wants to sign for us and mess up any relations be at Chelsea. We should try to get him back as soon as possible.

[Deleted]

Dec 30, 2014 11:42:08 GMT chiefdelilah said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:38:13 GMT foxysgloves said:

For stating several times that this is purely a temporary move.

For constantly "picking up" little injuries.

For staying very quiet on his injury situation.....not a hint of "can't wait to get back to playing for Stoke" from what I've heard.

Purely a feeling on my part, I could be way off and probably am, but my instinct tells me Vic sees a bigger, brighter future than SCFC.

I hope I'm wrong because he's a great player.

Little injuries like the one that's kept him out for the last two months?

Or the little injuries of a man whose pre-season lasted about 24 minutes?

Hasn't he only stated once that he's still a Chelsea player and sees his immediate future there (as virtually anyone in his position would)?

Like it or not, we are a stepping stone for quality players. As long as Moses delivers the goods while he's here - and he's already made a strong impact - that's more than enough for me.

I'd rather roll the dice on him getting back to his early season performances than let him go and lose what he brings to the table.

That's it in a nutshell,those two words...
Stepping stone.
I don't understand why people find this hard to grasp.
No players are at Stoke because they love the club,it's just a job for them.
Every single one of them would be off like a shot if a top four club came in for them.
Moses is a Chelsea player and hasn't done anything wrong in all this as far as I can see.
Personally I don't think he is good enough for a top four side and he would be far better off playing week in week out for someone like us,but he obviously has different ideas about how good he is and that's entirely up to him.

[foxysgloves]

Dec 30, 2014 11:42:08 GMT chiefdelilah said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:38:13 GMT foxysgloves said:

For stating several times that this is purely a temporary move.

For constantly "picking up" little injuries.

For staying very quiet on his injury situation.....not a hint of "can't wait to get back to playing for Stoke" from what I've heard.

Purely a feeling on my part, I could be way off and probably am, but my instinct tells me Vic sees a bigger, brighter future than SCFC.

I hope I'm wrong because he's a great player.

Little injuries like the one that's kept him out for the last two months?

Or the little injuries of a man whose pre-season lasted about 24 minutes?

Hasn't he only stated once that he's still a Chelsea player and sees his immediate future there (as virtually anyone in his position would)?

Like it or not, we are a stepping stone for quality players. As long as Moses delivers the goods while he's here - and he's already made a strong impact - that's more than enough for me.

I'd rather roll the dice on him getting back to his early season performances than let him go and lose what he brings to the table.

As I said, purely a feeling I have. Hopefully I'm wrong and he'll offer us plenty for the rest of the season.

If not he's a waste of a loan. I'm sure Hughes has the situation under control anyway.

The disadvantages of the loan system I guess.

[foxysgloves]

Dec 30, 2014 11:46:14 GMT Gods said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:38:13 GMT foxysgloves said:

For stating several times that this is purely a temporary move.

For constantly "picking up" little injuries.

For staying very quiet on his injury situation.....not a hint of "can't wait to get back to playing for Stoke" from what I've heard.

Purely a feeling on my part, I could be way off and probably am, but my instinct tells me Vic sees a bigger, brighter future than SCFC.

I hope I'm wrong because he's a great player.

yeah I'm not feeling the love from Moses either.

My guess is that it is difficult for anyone who thinks they have made the move to the top table (Chelsea in this case) and therefore they believe they have put behind them all that journeyman stuff only to find they were in fact promoted beyond their means.

Some will be happy to move back down and roll their sleeves up in order to play others will prefer to hang on to the top table status even if it means rarely actually getting a game.

Yep that's pretty much where I'm at.

[chiefdelilah]

Dec 30, 2014 11:53:49 GMT foxysgloves said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:42:08 GMT chiefdelilah said:

Little injuries like the one that's kept him out for the last two months?

Or the little injuries of a man whose pre-season lasted about 24 minutes?

Hasn't he only stated once that he's still a Chelsea player and sees his immediate future there (as virtually anyone in his position would)?

Like it or not, we are a stepping stone for quality players. As long as Moses delivers the goods while he's here - and he's already made a strong impact - that's more than enough for me.

I'd rather roll the dice on him getting back to his early season performances than let him go and lose what he brings to the table.

As I said, purely a feeling I have. Hopefully I'm wrong and he'll offer us plenty for the rest of the season.

If not he's a waste of a loan. I'm sure Hughes has the situation under control anyway.

The disadvantages of the loan system I guess.

He hasn't been a waste of a loan thus far has he? He's been one of our most influential players?

[nantwichstokie]

He's been very coy about what he has said in any interviews regarding his spell at Stoke. But what do people expect him to say after a couple of months game time? Do people seriously expect him to come out with 'I want to sign here pronto'. Its obvious he is going to keep his cards close to his chest. The fact is he could comfortably fit into a side akin to Spurs, Everton etc... Bigger clubs on the next step up from ourselves. I'm afraid to secure his services on a permanent basis Stoke are going to have play the waiting game, have a bit of luck and hope that he can see a future as part of a successful Stoke side after an extended spell here.

I would love to see him stay at Stoke. He reminds me of Ricky in the manner of how he retains possession in dangerous areas. His downsides are he doesn't score enough and seems to pick up injuries easily. Thats probably why he is on loan with us at this moment in time.

Its a real shame that with the emergence of Bojan of late we haven't seen Moses available. I think that those pair on their day are unplayable.

[Gods]

Dec 30, 2014 11:48:53 GMT chiefdelilah said:

Dec 30, 2014 11:46:14 GMT Gods said:

yeah I'm not feeling the love from Moses either.

My guess is that it is difficult for anyone who thinks they have made the move to the top table (Chelsea in this case) and therefore they believe they have put behind them all that journeyman stuff only to find they were in fact promoted beyond their means.

Some will be happy to move back down and roll their sleeves up in order to play others will prefer to hang on to the top table status even if it means rarely actually getting a game.

He's been happy enough to actually move here though hasn't he? Which suggests he does want to play.

He might be playing for a move to a bigger club than us, he might be reminding Jose of what he can do, he might be happy to take a step back and sign for us.

Yes I'd definitely keep him too, I was just trying to come up with an explanation for him not swearing the allegiance to us which some folks would like to hear.

If we go in to a game without Moses or Bojan we desperately lack a cutting edge!

[spitthedog]

This thread again shows the fickleness of fans

After 2 successive wins we are ready to discard a player who until he was injured was our most potent threat.

And all this bollocks about him not telling us how he loves us all every two minutes is just that......bollocks!

The days of loyalty in football are long gone, if Barca wanted Bojan back he'd be gone like a shot.

[andystokey]

Lots of domestic loans have clauses insisting that the asset is treated at the parent club. I think our own Jack Butland for example still had to train with us at least once a week.

Not saying Moses motivation isn't about himself. But we have to accept he is their asset. Its the price you pay for this kind of deal.

[Deleted]

We don't really need him at the moment, he was superb at times but he also cost us a few goals with his lack of defending. I'd like to see him back here for the rest of the season but I doubt he'll be joining us in the long term anyway.

[Deleted]

The bloke is injured. Let him recover for gods sake!