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Post by metalhead on Dec 26, 2014 17:29:40 GMT
Thought he did well. No reason to drop him.
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Post by dime on Dec 26, 2014 17:30:02 GMT
Decent performance, but he needs to be far more consistent. Taking half of the season to "warm up" isn't really good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 17:31:06 GMT
Decent performance, but he needs to be far more consistent. Taking half of the season to "warm up" isn't really good enough. ...it's ok for the manager though?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 17:31:29 GMT
The thing with the 'needs games' thing has always been that we shouldn't have to carry a passenger until he plays his way into form and that 'needing games' isn't an excuse to explain away performances when he isn't playing well. He has played well the last couple of games and his defensive work was excellent today. Credit to him. Keep it up Arnie. Rightly or wrongly he comes across as one of those players who needs to feel like he is loved and also one who seems as though he needs time to get into his stride,because he does do a lot on the pitch that frustrates the fuck out of everyone. I'm just in the camp that believes when he has played himself into form he is another match winner in our ranks,so giving him a run of games to prove this is a perfectly acceptable way to go.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 26, 2014 17:34:12 GMT
The thing with the 'needs games' thing has always been that we shouldn't have to carry a passenger until he plays his way into form and that 'needing games' isn't an excuse to explain away performances when he isn't playing well. He has played well the last couple of games and his defensive work was excellent today. Credit to him. Keep it up Arnie. Rightly or wrongly he comes across as one of those players who needs to feel like he is loved and also one who seems as though he needs time to get into his stride,because he does do a lot on the pitch that frustrates the fuck out of everyone. I'm just in the camp that believes when he has played himself into form he is another match winner in our ranks,so giving him a run of games to prove this is a perfectly acceptable way to go. How many games does he get next time then? 10? 15? Do we persist with a passenger when we have other players who don't need that amount of games to make an impression? It's up to him to motivate himself to not need half a season to get into the groove.
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Post by longthrowstokie on Dec 26, 2014 17:41:09 GMT
He had a great game, hopefully he can give this sort of performance on a more regular basis, starting on sunday against the baggies
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 17:43:26 GMT
Rightly or wrongly he comes across as one of those players who needs to feel like he is loved and also one who seems as though he needs time to get into his stride,because he does do a lot on the pitch that frustrates the fuck out of everyone. I'm just in the camp that believes when he has played himself into form he is another match winner in our ranks,so giving him a run of games to prove this is a perfectly acceptable way to go. How many games does he get next time then? 10? 15? Do we persist with a passenger when we have other players who don't need that amount of games to make an impression? It's up to him to motivate himself to not need half a season to get into the groove. It's a fair enough argument Rob and hard to argue against in all fairness,but at the moment I don't believe we have a better option out on the left and Arnie is definitely worth giving a 10 game run I the side. I know he hasn't looked the same player as he did second half of last season but he hasn't had any sort of run in the team and while Moses was fit that was probably justified unless Hughes wanted to try him out on the right side.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Dec 26, 2014 17:45:44 GMT
The thing with the 'needs games' thing has always been that we shouldn't have to carry a passenger until he plays his way into form and that 'needing games' isn't an excuse to explain away performances when he isn't playing well. He has played well the last couple of games and his defensive work was excellent today. Credit to him. Keep it up Arnie. This 'needs games' stuff is nonsense. The guy is a highly paid professional footballer, how many more 'games' does he need. Worked well defensively today to his credit.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 26, 2014 17:46:07 GMT
One of the best players on the pitch today. Very close to being my MOTM today, just not quite as good as Whelan for me. Indeed, Whelan was outstanding today.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 26, 2014 17:47:43 GMT
How many games does he get next time then? 10? 15? Do we persist with a passenger when we have other players who don't need that amount of games to make an impression? It's up to him to motivate himself to not need half a season to get into the groove. It's a fair enough argument Rob and hard to argue against in all fairness,but at the moment I don't believe we have a better option out on the left and Arnie is definitely worth giving a 10 game run I the side. I know he hasn't looked the same player as he did second half of last season but he hasn't had any sort of run in the team and while Moses was fit that was probably justified unless Hughes wanted to try him out on the right side. He did start the season let's not forget mate. He played his way out of the side. Now he's got his chance and it looks like he's taking it. Worth his place at the moment for sure.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Dec 26, 2014 17:50:25 GMT
Defensively he was brilliant, kept Coleman quiet all match. His shooting really needs some work though! I like Arnie and it would be great to see him getting back to the form he showed in the latter part of last season. You're right though, his shooting is fucking shocking. Even when he scores it's a mis-hit.
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Post by lancer on Dec 26, 2014 17:53:26 GMT
I did groan a bit when it looked like Assaidi was replacing Arnie. Arnie certainly seemed well in the game to me, and played a good game breaking them down as well as pressing them. Normally in the past, I would have cheered Assaidi coming on for Arnie but today...not quite so sure. Certainly an encouraging game from Arnie today, so hopefully he's coming back to something like the form we know he has.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 17:54:22 GMT
It's a fair enough argument Rob and hard to argue against in all fairness,but at the moment I don't believe we have a better option out on the left and Arnie is definitely worth giving a 10 game run I the side. I know he hasn't looked the same player as he did second half of last season but he hasn't had any sort of run in the team and while Moses was fit that was probably justified unless Hughes wanted to try him out on the right side. He did start the season let's not forget mate. He played his way out of the side. Now he's got his chance and it looks like he's taking it. Worth his place at the moment for sure. He did indeed start the season and he was pretty poor and like I said it's hard to argue with his detractors because he definitely doesn't help himself at times. I'm just a big fan of his because he has qualities in his game(when he is on it)that we as Stoke fans,haven't seen too much of over the years,and I still believe he will have a massive impact on this season given the chance.
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Post by RAF on Dec 26, 2014 17:56:29 GMT
It's a fair enough argument Rob and hard to argue against in all fairness,but at the moment I don't believe we have a better option out on the left and Arnie is definitely worth giving a 10 game run I the side. I know he hasn't looked the same player as he did second half of last season but he hasn't had any sort of run in the team and while Moses was fit that was probably justified unless Hughes wanted to try him out on the right side. He did start the season let's not forget mate. He played his way out of the side. Now he's got his chance and it looks like he's taking it. Worth his place at the moment for sure. I'm with you Rob, I just don't buy this 'He doesn't give a fuck' bollocks H
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Post by chiefdelilah on Dec 26, 2014 17:57:13 GMT
He did start the season let's not forget mate. He played his way out of the side. Now he's got his chance and it looks like he's taking it. Worth his place at the moment for sure. I'm with you Rob, I just don't buy this 'He doesn't give a fuck' bollocks H I don't either mate. I don't think he's lazy, I just get fucked up with the excuses when he doesn't play well.
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Dec 26, 2014 17:57:19 GMT
I did groan a bit when it looked like Assaidi was replacing Arnie. Arnie certainly seemed well in the game to me, and played a good game breaking them down as well as pressing them. Normally in the past, I would have cheered Assaidi coming on for Arnie but today...not quite so sure. Certainly an encouraging game from Arnie today, so hopefully he's coming back to something like the form we know he has. I imagine he was breathing out his arse towards the end. He covered some serious yards today.
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Post by adamsson on Dec 26, 2014 17:57:45 GMT
Rubbish, he doesn't give a fuck, he needs fucking off, he even pretends he has injuries so he can get off the pitch. He doesn't give a fuck , he just throws his arms up in the air and doesn't care! Fuck him off fucking useless. H Ahh sarcasm and the interweb, never works
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Post by Bombus on Dec 26, 2014 17:57:56 GMT
One of the best players on the pitch today. Very close to being my MOTM today, just not quite as good as Whelan for me. Whelo immense today, mate
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 26, 2014 18:06:07 GMT
Often frustrates me but thought he did a great job for the team today deserves praise
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Post by robstokie on Dec 26, 2014 18:07:46 GMT
Worked his bollocks off today, more like the Arnie of old. if he could start putting in the performances from the start of the season, we would have a gem on our hands.
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Post by foster on Dec 26, 2014 18:19:43 GMT
Rubbish, he doesn't give a fuck, he needs fucking off, he even pretends he has injuries so he can get off the pitch. He doesn't give a fuck , he just throws his arms up in the air and doesn't care! Fuck him off fucking useless. H I'm no great fan of his but thought he out in a very good shift in the second half This. Best game of the season so far for him. Some great defending.
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Post by dutchstokie on Dec 26, 2014 19:07:54 GMT
Rubbish, he doesn't give a fuck, he needs fucking off, he even pretends he has injuries so he can get off the pitch. He doesn't give a fuck , he just throws his arms up in the air and doesn't care! Fuck him off fucking useless. H Reel em in RAF, reel em in
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Post by 2004 on Dec 26, 2014 20:17:22 GMT
Very good today
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 26, 2014 20:20:14 GMT
Starting to show promising signs and hopefully we will see the Arnie we saw during the second half of last season soon!
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Post by adi on Dec 26, 2014 20:24:06 GMT
I'll more than happily eat my words if he grafts for the rest of the season. Big big IF.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 20:29:34 GMT
I'll more than happily eat my words if he grafts for the rest of the season. Big big IF. He's grafted all season. His problem has been on the ball, not off it. Hence why most sensible people have been saying he needs games to get back in the groove.
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Post by adi on Dec 26, 2014 20:32:06 GMT
I'll more than happily eat my words if he grafts for the rest of the season. Big big IF. He's grafted all season. His problem has been on the ball, not off it. Hence why most sensible people have been saying he needs games to get back in the groove. His petulance is letting him down and showing his immaturity (like some on here I might add ) and his decision making is scary at times. Let's judge him after a run of games though, if he works hard enough in training to warrant starts
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 20:36:39 GMT
He's grafted all season. His problem has been on the ball, not off it. Hence why most sensible people have been saying he needs games to get back in the groove. His petulance is letting him down and showing his immaturity (like some on here I might add ) and his decision making is scary at times. Let's judge him after a run of games though, if he works hard enough in training to warrant starts So is it his grafting or his petulance? You seem to be changing your story and it's quite confusing? ?
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Post by redstriper on Dec 26, 2014 21:03:10 GMT
I'll more than happily eat my words if he grafts for the rest of the season. Big big IF. He's grafted all season. His problem has been on the ball, not off it. Hence why most sensible people have been saying he needs games to get back in the groove. Right you are then, how many games have you in mind ?, 10, 15, 38? - just how "sensible" is that ? I thought you wanted him to play every week for his flair ?, now he deserves a run because he has stopped throwing his hands in the air and done the defensive duties he should do every game for once ? Well done to him for contributing to s sterling defensive effort today, but he has been abject this season by the standards of anybody not viewing him through rose-tinted specs. If he has realised the error of his attitude then great, lets hope he's turned a corner mentally, but say he deserves a run in the team on what he has shown this season is bollocks. And suggesting he should automatically have a run of games whether he plays well illustrates the problem, reinforcing his opinion that he should play every week whether or not he puts in a shift AND provides an attacking threat. Hopefully MH took him aside and explained that wasn't going to be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 21:08:25 GMT
He's grafted all season. His problem has been on the ball, not off it. Hence why most sensible people have been saying he needs games to get back in the groove. Right you are then, how many games have you in mind ?, 10, 15, 38? - just how "sensible" is that ? I thought you wanted him to play every week for his flair ?, now he deserves a run because he has stopped throwing his hands in the air and done the defensive duties he should do every game for once ? Well done to him for contributing to s sterling defensive effort today, but he has been abject this season by the standards of anybody not viewing him through rose-tinted specs. If he has realised the error of his attitude then great, lets hope he's turned a corner mentally, but say he deserves a run in the team on what he has shown this season is bollocks. And suggesting he should automatically have a run of games whether he plays well illustrates the problem, reinforcing his opinion that he should play every week whether or not he puts in a shift AND provides an attacking threat. Hopefully MH took him aside and explained that wasn't going to be the case. Don't agree with a word of that. Shame, because it was well written.
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