U21's

[chuckrocky]

Lost 3-0 to the fail this afternoon.

[Jamo on the wing]

It was a really young team against their reserves.

Don't think we'd be too bothered what with the Christmas fixture pile up whereas they played a few from their first team squad.

[Deleted]

If our first team played their first team we would win 19376396746-0, that´s all that matters.

[Deleted]

our U21s and U18s lose everything seemingly

[jarvinski]

Yer Conner play football on that shit heap (training ground) no wonder we didn't risk any of our top players

[Gods]

I know people will trot out the "it was men against boys" argument and I don't know if that is true or not I would like to see the lineups, but I can't be alone in finding that result just a little bit wank after all that investment and hype

I hope it's not time for another rebranding of the whole setup, I think we have done one every 2 years for the last 30 years and we still haven't produced anyone since Garth Crooks, Inchy Heath and perhaps Lee Chapman to the best of my knowledge.

[Kjones9]

Hodges out!!

[tomsviews]

Dec 17, 2014 15:25:02 GMT @iwebbyyy said:

our U21s and U18s lose everything seemingly

The under 18's dont seem to be too bad, they beat the sheffield wednesday 5-0 the other day, its the under 21's who are shit.

[lordb]

Dec 17, 2014 15:41:42 GMT Gods said:

I know people will trot out the "it was men against boys" argument and I don't know if that is true or not I would like to see the lineups, but I can't be alone in finding that result just a little bit wank after all that investment and hype

I hope it's not time for another rebranding of the whole setup, I think we have done one every 2 years for the last 30 years and we still haven't produced anyone since Garth Crooks, Inchy Heath and perhaps Lee Chapman to the best of my knowledge.

There we're a lot of players came through under Mills (or just before)
e.g. Neil Adams,Bould was in that side
Shaw,Saunders,Heath,Parkin,Hemming

then not much till Kris Commons & Wilko

piss poor for a long time (long before TP too,not all his fault).

Shenton looks a prospect
as do Bachman & the other young keepers

[Jamo on the wing]

Dec 17, 2014 15:25:02 GMT @iwebbyyy said:

our U21s and U18s lose everything seemingly

They look alright here (well the u-18's anyway!)

[FakeStokeBloke]

Dec 17, 2014 15:48:39 GMT Jamo on the wing said:

Dec 17, 2014 15:25:02 GMT @iwebbyyy said:

our U21s and U18s lose everything seemingly

They look alright here (well the u-18's anyway!)

Shenton scored a really good goal in that game, a top finish

[Squeekster]

Dec 17, 2014 15:25:02 GMT @iwebbyyy said:

our U21s and U18s lose everything seemingly

Didn't I hear that we won the FA you cup tie this week?

[wuzza]

I assume we run an under 21 side because we have to. From the results and the little I've seen there is really not much chance of any of them making progress - it's quite sad really. As far as the Acadamy in general is concerned it must be the under 18s downwards that justify or otherwise the expense - we shall see.

[apb1]

Dec 17, 2014 16:03:16 GMT wuzza said:

I assume we run an under 21 side because we have to. From the results and the little I've seen there is really not much chance of any of them making progress - it's quite sad really. As far as the Acadamy in general is concerned it must be the under 18s downwards that justify or otherwise the expense - we shall see.

It might just be that the quality players are in the younger groups for now. If we can get a good group of 19-20 year olds, then u-21 would be a way of coaching them in the Stoke way. Whatever that is.

I don't understand why we don't at least play a couple of older players like Palacios from time to time.

[Deleted]

Everyone's latching on to that comment, I don't follow them closely it's just that the highlights on the Stoke City channel seem to be almost always losses!
Should also state I'm all for the youth system we are developing and realise we are meant to have a good U12 team...

[jezzascfc]

I get the feeling that, as said above, we run an under-21 team because we have to. By 19/20, anyone with any real talent is either fast-tracked to the first team squad (not many recently, I know, but Ollie Shenton, and maybe Julian Ngoy, seem destined for that) or is sent out on loan to get further experience and/or beef them up ready for, hopefully, a transition to the first team squad at 21/22 (maybe James Alabi and Daniel Bachmann?). If you are stuck playing under-21 games before one man and his dog, the chances are you will be released to search for a team in the lower leagues before too long.

It should revert to a proper reserve team, with no age group limitation, so we can give those not in the match day squad out of our 25 man squad some game time to keep them fit for when they get called upon to bolster the first team.

[Lakeland Potter]

Dec 17, 2014 16:18:39 GMT jezzascfc said:

I get the feeling that, as said above, we run an under-21 team because we have to. By 19/20, anyone with any real talent is either fast-tracked to the first team squad (not many recently, I know, but Ollie Shenton, and maybe Julian Ngoy, seem destined for that) or is sent out on loan to get further experience and/or beef them up ready for, hopefully, a transition to the first team squad at 21/22 (maybe James Alabi and Daniel Bachmann?). If you are stuck playing under-21 games before one man and his dog, the chances are you will be released to search for a team in the lower leagues before too long.

It should revert to a proper reserve team, with no age group limitation, so we can give those not in the match day squad out of our 25 man squad some game time to keep them fit for when they get called upon to bolster the first team.

I read somewhere that the reason reserve teams were abandoned was because big name foreign players in the Premier League refused to turn out for a reserve team. I'd hope that a couple of week's fine for any player taking that line would soon have sorted them out.

I agree, Jezza, that it is about time proper reserve teams became the norm again. I'm pissed off with players who haven't made the starting eleven for the first team looking totally non match fit if they are required because of injury etc.

There must be plenty of my generation who remember good crowds and decent atmospheres at reserve games in our younger days.

I think it is time that the Premier League abandoned the pretence a) that many clubs are going to have enough decent players under 21 to have a competitive U21 side and b) That 25 man first team squads can be kept match fit without playing regular football against other senior players

[Jamo on the wing]

Dec 17, 2014 16:35:27 GMT Lakeland Potter said:

Dec 17, 2014 16:18:39 GMT jezzascfc said:

I get the feeling that, as said above, we run an under-21 team because we have to. By 19/20, anyone with any real talent is either fast-tracked to the first team squad (not many recently, I know, but Ollie Shenton, and maybe Julian Ngoy, seem destined for that) or is sent out on loan to get further experience and/or beef them up ready for, hopefully, a transition to the first team squad at 21/22 (maybe James Alabi and Daniel Bachmann?). If you are stuck playing under-21 games before one man and his dog, the chances are you will be released to search for a team in the lower leagues before too long.

It should revert to a proper reserve team, with no age group limitation, so we can give those not in the match day squad out of our 25 man squad some game time to keep them fit for when they get called upon to bolster the first team.

I read somewhere that the reason reserve teams were abandoned was because big name foreign players in the Premier League refused to turn out for a reserve team. I'd hope that a couple of week's fine for any player taking that line would soon have sorted them out.

I agree, Jezza, that it is about time proper reserve teams became the norm again. I'm pissed off with players who haven't made the starting eleven for the first team looking totally non match fit if they are required because of injury etc.

There must be plenty of my generation who remember good crowds and decent atmospheres at reserve games in our younger days.

Even my generation can remember the days of 2000 turning up at the Vic watching Paul Barnes and Tony Ellis rip the Pontins League to bits, Forny.

[Gods]

Dec 17, 2014 15:48:01 GMT lordb said:

Dec 17, 2014 15:41:42 GMT Gods said:

I know people will trot out the "it was men against boys" argument and I don't know if that is true or not I would like to see the lineups, but I can't be alone in finding that result just a little bit wank after all that investment and hype

I hope it's not time for another rebranding of the whole setup, I think we have done one every 2 years for the last 30 years and we still haven't produced anyone since Garth Crooks, Inchy Heath and perhaps Lee Chapman to the best of my knowledge.

There we're a lot of players came through under Mills (or just before)
e.g. Neil Adams,Bould was in that side
Shaw,Saunders,Heath,Parkin,Hemming

then not much till Kris Commons & Wilko

piss poor for a long time (long before TP too,not all his fault).

Shenton looks a prospect
as do Bachman & the other young keepers

Fair enough, Steve Bould without a doubt, and a few jobbing pros among the rest.

[jezzascfc]

Dec 17, 2014 16:37:08 GMT Jamo on the wing said:

Dec 17, 2014 16:35:27 GMT Lakeland Potter said:

I read somewhere that the reason reserve teams were abandoned was because big name foreign players in the Premier League refused to turn out for a reserve team. I'd hope that a couple of week's fine for any player taking that line would soon have sorted them out.

I agree, Jezza, that it is about time proper reserve teams became the norm again. I'm pissed off with players who haven't made the starting eleven for the first team looking totally non match fit if they are required because of injury etc.

There must be plenty of my generation who remember good crowds and decent atmospheres at reserve games in our younger days.

Even my generation can remember the days of 2000 turning up at the Vic watching Paul Barnes and Tony Ellis rip the Pontins League to bits, Forny.

It was often the first sight you got of a new signing, an easing into the club by a reserve team outing or two, or a helpful return to games for a first teamer to get some match fitness after coming back from injury. I recall a decent enough crowd to watch the reserves in the not too dim and distant past when Hoekstra came back from injury and was playing.

This filling up an under-21 team for the sake of it simply does not compare. If it was meant to bridge the gap for young English players between youth football and the first team, it has been a universal failure, it seems to me.

[2004]

Fucks sake lads lost to that shite

[bayernoatcake]

Some of them are excited about this on OVF, we fielded a team whose biggest achievement in football (out of all the players) is that one of them is a current French youth international.

Kieran Monlouis played for us too, how he ever got given a professional contract I do not know.

[Clem Fandango]

Dec 17, 2014 20:19:08 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Some of them are excited about this on OVF, we fielded a team whose biggest achievement in football (out of all the players) is that one of them is a current French youth international.

Kieran Monlouis played for us too, how he ever got given a professional contract I do not know.

My one vale supporting mate is giving it the large one on Facebook as well the little ducks cling to anything don't they.

[bayernoatcake]

Dec 17, 2014 20:22:02 GMT Clem Fandango said:

Dec 17, 2014 20:19:08 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Some of them are excited about this on OVF, we fielded a team whose biggest achievement in football (out of all the players) is that one of them is a current French youth international.

Kieran Monlouis played for us too, how he ever got given a professional contract I do not know.

My one vale supporting mate is giving it the large one on Facebook as well the little ducks cling to anything don't they.

They do bless 'em. They put out a team better than their first team!

[lastoftheldk]

Vale,s u12 beat man city u12 , 10. 1 a few weeks ago


also, bring back the central league,