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Post by harryburrows on Nov 27, 2014 0:04:59 GMT
The decision to privately educate your kids is not always for the wealthy , I did it at great personal sacrifice , my mrs and me both worked and all her salary went on school fees , it makes me laugh when hypocrites on here take a pop at fraise for doing his very best for his kids education , whilst themselves boating about their many foreign holidays. Something fraise has been unable to afford for many years . Indeed, I sold my boat and camper van to help pay for my young un, and my Mrs works full time to contribute and between us we work a lot more than standard working weeks. I will be pretty hacked off if the expert teaching staff I pay a premium for disappear for hours on end to teach in state schools for free. mumf and labour can do one over this.... Indeed champagne socialists hard at work , I'm sure the shadow cabinet all use state schools
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 0:19:08 GMT
All credit to both yourself and fraise Harry ! I've said it before We all do the best we can don't we bish , some folks hoard their wealth or invest it in slum housing to rent to the poor , I prefer too invest mine in my family We do Harry ......we made many sacrifices for the sake of our kids uprbringing , no body should be criticised for ensuring the well being and future of their family ....it's what any decent and caring parent tries to do......that being secured its now the wife and myself's time to sit back and enjoy life for ourselves
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 0:20:07 GMT
Indeed, I sold my boat and camper van to help pay for my young un, and my Mrs works full time to contribute and between us we work a lot more than standard working weeks. I will be pretty hacked off if the expert teaching staff I pay a premium for disappear for hours on end to teach in state schools for free. mumf and labour can do one over this.... Indeed champagne socialists hard at work , I'm sure the shadow cabinet all use state schools Or not in the case of Mrs Jowell
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Post by redstriper on Nov 27, 2014 9:12:59 GMT
Indeed, I sold my boat and camper van to help pay for my young un, and my Mrs works full time to contribute and between us we work a lot more than standard working weeks. I will be pretty hacked off if the expert teaching staff I pay a premium for disappear for hours on end to teach in state schools for free. mumf and labour can do one over this.... if that's your idea of a fair society then you're welcome to the £90,000 you earn , the boat , the caravan etc etc.... That's not hardship ...that's wealth. Who said anything about hardship ?... I'm re-enforcing Harrys point that not all people who send their kids to private school are a rich elite. We all make choices, I choose to work harder to earn more and spend £150 a week on my daughters education, I don't smoke, own sky tv, and hardly drink either. I'm not complaining, I'm defending the right to work hard and spend the money how I wish. Some people would say it's largesse to own more than one dog (I love dogs but don't have the spare time or spare money to own one) - how many have you got by the way ? - if you have 100 it's fine by me, but you wouldn't like it if labour suggested you lend me one every week at your own expense.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 27, 2014 12:27:41 GMT
Tax them until the pips fucking squeak.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 12:52:06 GMT
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Post by ihaveadream on Nov 27, 2014 13:31:34 GMT
My old school was meritotcratic while I was there, it was a grammar school and places were given to kids who passed the eleven plus.
It is now fee paying with a handful of free places/assisted places.
The old system was fairer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 13:51:58 GMT
A certain standard of education must be there for all - we have that system, but it is not good enough and needs improving and investment. I completely agree with britsabroad in that the focus should be on improving what is there under the public sector.
However, private schools are private, and people who want to send their children there pay a premium for it - and its not right that part of that premium should go towards the state system - when part of their tax they pay anyway goes towards it. As private schools, they carry the risk for failure and need to employ the right staff, and have to pay more for them to get them to work there. Those teachers themselves have the right to maximise their income for working for the private sector too.
If you want the best, then you have to pay for it - some see that as a failure of capitalism, but it also has to acknowledge the expertise and ability of the individuals that stand out above others. The 'basic standard' does need increasing, but it needs a whole fundamental change in the education system itself.
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Post by ihaveadream on Nov 27, 2014 14:05:29 GMT
Tax them until the pips fucking squeak. Bozza and Dave, you hit new heights of camp that day
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Post by salopstick on Nov 27, 2014 15:49:51 GMT
The decision to privately educate your kids is not always for the wealthy , I did it at great personal sacrifice , my mrs and me both worked and all her salary went on school fees , it makes me laugh when hypocrites on here take a pop at fraise for doing his very best for his kids education , whilst themselves boating about their many foreign holidays. Something fraise has been unable to afford for many years . It is for the wealthy. It is for those that have much disposable income that they can afford to do it which is in direct contrast to a security guard working 70 hours a week . You make me fucking laugh . Are you telling me that you haven't been to exotic locations because you have. Education and health should not be for the preserve of the rich , because it should be free for everyone rich or poor. You're a fucking joke...a snobby big headed joke . See my signature for details. Mumf expensive foreign holidays should not be the preserve of the rich either, nor should being a landlord of two or more properties
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 27, 2014 16:01:12 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it, cause once the kids have had the airs & graces drummed into them at little-lord-Fauntlroy school, they won't want owt to do with their embarrassing Stoke dad, until he's dead of courseXx
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 16:04:54 GMT
It is for the wealthy. It is for those that have much disposable income that they can afford to do it which is in direct contrast to a security guard working 70 hours a week . You make me fucking laugh . Are you telling me that you haven't been to exotic locations because you have. Education and health should not be for the preserve of the rich , because it should be free for everyone rich or poor. You're a fucking joke...a snobby big headed joke . See my signature for details. Mumf expensive foreign holidays should not be the preserve of the rich either, nor should being a landlord of two or more properties Attachment DeletedAnd neither should be taking your pets on those expensive foreign holidays ( joke )
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Post by ihaveadream on Nov 28, 2014 14:00:14 GMT
Labour announced they will look at the tax benefits of private schools: www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30181920Personally, until the ruling elite send their children to states schools, there really will be very little progress in developing the schools that 93% of the population use. I wonder how many member of the cabinet or shadow cabinet send their kids to a state school? Dave does I think, although whether he still will when they are secondary school age is another matter.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 28, 2014 17:44:27 GMT
Labour announced they will look at the tax benefits of private schools: www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-30181920Personally, until the ruling elite send their children to states schools, there really will be very little progress in developing the schools that 93% of the population use. I wonder how many member of the cabinet or shadow cabinet send their kids to a state school? Dave does I think, although whether he still will when they are secondary school age is another matter. At least one will end up at Eton.
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Post by robstokie on Nov 28, 2014 18:22:11 GMT
I went to a shit-house secondary school, where I was hated by most people, where all the dregs of society, asylum seekers and chopsy, chavvy fuckers who wouldn't go to the big, hard school in their own catchment area went to. On top of that, the teaching was half arsed and they treated us like 4 year olds, not even letting year 11 pupils off site at lunchtimes. You cant blame parents wanting the best for their kids and, if I had the money, I would definetly send my future kids to private school.
Whys that? even though Champagne socialists and the like go on about state schools being character-building, the teaching (generally) is not upto the same standard, there is less chance of kids being treated as individuals instead , there is less/no opportunities for extra curricular activities due to lack of funding (eg. trips to france to improve French speaking skills), private schools offer a wider range of subjects for kids to study at GCSE/A Level than state schools and, finally, whereas there are plenty of decent kids who go to state school, there are always some nasty scumbags who go there and cant be kicked out because no other fuckers would take them.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 28, 2014 19:21:11 GMT
I went to a shit-house secondary school, where I was hated by most people, where all the dregs of society, asylum seekers and chopsy, chavvy fuckers who wouldn't go to the big, hard school in their own catchment area went to. On top of that, the teaching was half arsed and they treated us like 4 year olds, not even letting year 11 pupils off site at lunchtimes. You cant blame parents wanting the best for their kids and, if I had the money, I would definetly send my future kids to private school. Whys that? even though Champagne socialists and the like go on about state schools being character-building, the teaching (generally) is not upto the same standa rd, there is less chance of kids being treated as individuals instead , there is less/no opportunities for extra curricular activities due to lack of funding (eg. trips to france to improve French speaking skills), private schools offer a wider range of subjects for kids to study at GCSE/A Level than state schools and, finally, whereas Kthere are plenty of decent kids who go to state school, there are always some nasty scumbags who go there and cant be kicked out because no other fuckers would take them. Which school was this you went...
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Post by robstokie on Nov 28, 2014 21:53:23 GMT
I went to a shit-house secondary school, where I was hated by most people, where all the dregs of society, asylum seekers and chopsy, chavvy fuckers who wouldn't go to the big, hard school in their own catchment area went to. On top of that, the teaching was half arsed and they treated us like 4 year olds, not even letting year 11 pupils off site at lunchtimes. You cant blame parents wanting the best for their kids and, if I had the money, I would definetly send my future kids to private school. Whys that? even though Champagne socialists and the like go on about state schools being character-building, the teaching (generally) is not upto the same standa rd, there is less chance of kids being treated as individuals instead , there is less/no opportunities for extra curricular activities due to lack of funding (eg. trips to france to improve French speaking skills), private schools offer a wider range of subjects for kids to study at GCSE/A Level than state schools and, finally, whereas Kthere are plenty of decent kids who go to state school, there are always some nasty scumbags who go there and cant be kicked out because no other fuckers would take them. Which school was this you went... A shitty school in south wales, which was made even worse by the majority being either Scumdiff, Arsenic or ManUre fans...
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Post by tuum on Nov 29, 2014 12:24:58 GMT
The secondary school standards in Stoke are abysmally low according to League Tables. I think in the bottom 10% nationally. Even Newcastle School is pretty low down in the fee paying school rankings. The only consistent bright light is St. Joes in Trent Vale but how do you get into Joes if you are not Catholic? The good schools when I was growing up (Trentham) are now poor and others which were poor in the 70's/80's are now ok (not excellent in Stoke on Trent). I think a lot depends on the Head Teacher. If you a lucky, you live in a catchment with a good Head and you pray that he/she does not move during the 5 years that your kid is doing their O and A levels (or whatever they are called these days).
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