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Dec 14, 2014 22:56:35 GMT
Post by localloser on Dec 14, 2014 22:56:35 GMT
I know it takes the fun out of it but I always go straight to the bookies for the answer to this one and they are never wrong with SPOTY. Rory McIlroy 1/4 Lewis Hamilton 7/2 Jonny Wilkinson 40 Jo Pavey 50 Claudia Fragapane 66 You can't really give it to Lewis Hamilton when he doesn't pay any tax in this country can you? I think "40" alongside Jonny Wilkinson's name is his odds rather than his age but it may be both! I don't have a Scooby who Claudia Fragapane is but she is 5th favourite if the nation decides to get behind a comedy candidate What price your bookies now, Gods?? Nothing fixed??
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Dec 14, 2014 22:59:04 GMT
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Post by alsagerstokie on Dec 14, 2014 22:59:04 GMT
Rory should of had it for me. I dont mind Hamilton having it though. Hes not that bad. Thing i disagree with. Sir Chris Hoy getting lifetime achivment. he deserves it but when hes about 55+ ill probably start an age row now but hes only just retired.
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Dec 14, 2014 22:59:53 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 14, 2014 22:59:53 GMT
Rory should of had it for me. I dont mind Hamilton having it though. Hes not that bad. Thing i disagree with. Sir Chris Hoy getting lifetime achivment. he deserves it but when hes about 55+ ill probably start an age row now but hes only just retired. I think it being held in Scotland had somthing to do with it
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Dec 14, 2014 23:05:06 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 14, 2014 23:05:06 GMT
Absolute bollocks Rory not getting that award. Number one golfer in the world, 2 majors and a Ryder cup compared to a tax dodging bloke who's quick to blame the car when he's not winning but happy to take the plaudits himself when he is. How can a stroll around a country park whacking a ball with a stick be called a sport? Regardless of whether people think it's a valid sport or not, Rory is the number one in the world of a sport that thousands play competitively. Hamilton won the world championship in a field of 26 drivers. Rorys achievements massively overshadow Hamiltons.
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Dec 14, 2014 23:06:48 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 14, 2014 23:06:48 GMT
Rory should of had it for me. I dont mind Hamilton having it though. Hes not that bad. Thing i disagree with. Sir Chris Hoy getting lifetime achivment. he deserves it but when hes about 55+ ill probably start an age row now but hes only just retired. Said this to the missus. What if he does fuck all for the next 40 years?
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Dec 14, 2014 23:58:35 GMT
Post by Gods on Dec 14, 2014 23:58:35 GMT
I know it takes the fun out of it but I always go straight to the bookies for the answer to this one and they are never wrong with SPOTY. Rory McIlroy 1/4 Lewis Hamilton 7/2 Jonny Wilkinson 40 Jo Pavey 50 Claudia Fragapane 66 You can't really give it to Lewis Hamilton when he doesn't pay any tax in this country can you? I think "40" alongside Jonny Wilkinson's name is his odds rather than his age but it may be both! I don't have a Scooby who Claudia Fragapane is but she is 5th favourite if the nation decides to get behind a comedy candidate What price your bookies now, Gods?? Nothing fixed?? Yes indeed, I was astounded, I'd love to see the actual vote count for each nomination but we never get to see that do we?
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Dec 15, 2014 0:02:40 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 15, 2014 0:02:40 GMT
What price your bookies now, Gods?? Nothing fixed?? Yes indeed, I was astounded, I'd love to see the actual vote count for each nomination but we never get to see that do we? The bbc couldn't risk a fix after the phone rigging competition scandals I just think like me some people don't warm to mclroy
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Dec 15, 2014 0:14:20 GMT
Post by Gods on Dec 15, 2014 0:14:20 GMT
Yes indeed, I was astounded, I'd love to see the actual vote count for each nomination but we never get to see that do we? The bbc couldn't risk a fix after the phone rigging competition scandals I just think like me some people don't warm to mclroy yes, I am not suggesting it is rigged for 1 minute, only that I am surprised to see the bookies get it that badly wrong. Guess you have to think about who watches the show and who actually picks up the phone to vote too. Personally I don't know of anyone who plays golf who would dream of dialing in to an x-factor style sports award show, most of them would rather be eaten alive by cannibals than do that!
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Dec 15, 2014 0:19:25 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 15, 2014 0:19:25 GMT
The bbc couldn't risk a fix after the phone rigging competition scandals I just think like me some people don't warm to mclroy yes, I am not suggesting it is rigged for 1 minute, only that I am surprised to see the bookies get it that badly wrong. Guess you have to think about who watches the show and who actually picks up the phone to vote too. Personally I don't know of anyone who plays golf who would dream of dialing in to an x-factor style sports award show, most of them would rather be eaten alive by cannibals than do that! Bbc have rights to grand prixs so he is featured more on there, bar the open and highlights of the Ryder cup he isn't on the bbc.
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Dec 15, 2014 3:03:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 3:03:02 GMT
yes, I am not suggesting it is rigged for 1 minute, only that I am surprised to see the bookies get it that badly wrong. Guess you have to think about who watches the show and who actually picks up the phone to vote too. Personally I don't know of anyone who plays golf who would dream of dialing in to an x-factor style sports award show, most of them would rather be eaten alive by cannibals than do that! Bbc have rights to grand prixs so he is featured more on there, bar the open and highlights of the Ryder cup he isn't on the bbc. Good point well made. On a similar note, the X Factor results. Scenario 1...Fleur East wins, becomes an instant mega star and sells millions of records for Simon Cowels label. Ben Haenow 2nd, sells a few then disappears into obscurity. Scenario 2..Ben Haenow wins, becomes a mega star sells millions of records for Simon Cowell, Fleur east 2nd, but becomes an instant mega star anyway. Absolutely rigged to sell more records.
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Dec 15, 2014 4:49:50 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Dec 15, 2014 4:49:50 GMT
How can a stroll around a country park whacking a ball with a stick be called a sport? Regardless of whether people think it's a valid sport or not, Rory is the number one in the world of a sport that thousands play competitively. Hamilton won the world championship in a field of 26 drivers. Rorys achievements massively overshadow Hamiltons. Well that's bollocks isn't it. There are thousands of professional racing drivers in the world too but most aren't good enough to drive in F1, just like most golfers aren't good enough to qualify for The Masters.
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Dec 15, 2014 5:14:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 5:14:25 GMT
Regardless of whether people think it's a valid sport or not, Rory is the number one in the world of a sport that thousands play competitively. Hamilton won the world championship in a field of 26 drivers. Rorys achievements massively overshadow Hamiltons. Well that's bollocks isn't it. There are thousands of professional racing drivers in the world too but most aren't good enough to drive in F1, just like most golfers aren't good enough to qualify for The Masters. Gonna play devils advocate here, as I am a huge fan of both sports. What I guess he means is week in week out the field is 100 players or more, multiply this across all the different tours, then Rory has to shine in a group of maybe a 1000 or more tour professionals. Now I see what you mean about professional drivers, but at the start of a season, barring players retiring/getting sacked, there are a core of only 26 or so in F1. And as far as equipment goes, golf is really not about equipment, rory has proved that, he could compete with any manufacturers clubs and any balls. F1 ia a lot about equipment, put Hamilton in a force india car and he'd struggle, put a force india driver in a Mercedes and he'd compete.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Dec 15, 2014 7:05:49 GMT
Absolute bollocks Rory not getting that award. Number one golfer in the world, 2 majors and a Ryder cup compared to a tax dodging bloke who's quick to blame the car when he's not winning but happy to take the plaudits himself when he is. Lewis Hamilton...... 1. Pays taxes in all the countries where he earns money including UK and other countries he races in. 2. The Mercedes F1 Team that he races for is based in UK and has over 1000 employees also paying tax in this country 3. Barring mechanical or technical failure Hamilton rarely blames his car for his failures and has many times owned up to his own driving error that cost him a win or higher place. 4. If you had listened to his speech Hamilton doesn't take all the plaudits at all. As he does after race victories Last night He put his family and the Mercedes team on the podium ahead of himself. Never once did he try and laud his own skills and ability. So that all your myths blown sky high mate. They all deserved to win in their own way but the public thought Hamilton deserved it the most. In fact on Radio 2 just been revealed that Hamilton received twice as many votes as second placed McIlroy.
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Dec 15, 2014 7:19:31 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Dec 15, 2014 7:19:31 GMT
Well that's bollocks isn't it. There are thousands of professional racing drivers in the world too but most aren't good enough to drive in F1, just like most golfers aren't good enough to qualify for The Masters. Gonna play devils advocate here, as I am a huge fan of both sports. What I guess he means is week in week out the field is 100 players or more, multiply this across all the different tours, then Rory has to shine in a group of maybe a 1000 or more tour professionals. Now I see what you mean about professional drivers, but at the start of a season, barring players retiring/getting sacked, there are a core of only 26 or so in F1. And as far as equipment goes, golf is really not about equipment, rory has proved that, he could compete with any manufacturers clubs and any balls. F1 ia a lot about equipment, put Hamilton in a force india car and he'd struggle, put a force india driver in a Mercedes and he'd compete. But Hamilton is in the Mercedes because he's the best driver. The top golfers have the best support, the best coaches, even down to flying private so they're well rested. Both sports have their tiers, and the top players compete on the top tier. The tiers just look slightly different. Apply to football, tennis, whatever. You get into the top level because you're the best.
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Dec 15, 2014 8:24:42 GMT
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Dec 15, 2014 8:24:42 GMT
Well that's bollocks isn't it. There are thousands of professional racing drivers in the world too but most aren't good enough to drive in F1, just like most golfers aren't good enough to qualify for The Masters. Gonna play devils advocate here, as I am a huge fan of both sports. What I guess he means is week in week out the field is 100 players or more, multiply this across all the different tours, then Rory has to shine in a group of maybe a 1000 or more tour professionals. Now I see what you mean about professional drivers, but at the start of a season, barring players retiring/getting sacked, there are a core of only 26 or so in F1. And as far as equipment goes, golf is really not about equipment, rory has proved that, he could compete with any manufacturers clubs and any balls. F1 ia a lot about equipment, put Hamilton in a force india car and he'd struggle, put a force india driver in a Mercedes and he'd compete. Yes, that exactly my point.
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Dec 15, 2014 8:56:12 GMT
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Post by 2004 on Dec 15, 2014 8:56:12 GMT
Gary's voice was so close to going
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Dec 15, 2014 10:59:48 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 10:59:48 GMT
Gonna play devils advocate here, as I am a huge fan of both sports. What I guess he means is week in week out the field is 100 players or more, multiply this across all the different tours, then Rory has to shine in a group of maybe a 1000 or more tour professionals. Now I see what you mean about professional drivers, but at the start of a season, barring players retiring/getting sacked, there are a core of only 26 or so in F1. And as far as equipment goes, golf is really not about equipment, rory has proved that, he could compete with any manufacturers clubs and any balls. F1 ia a lot about equipment, put Hamilton in a force india car and he'd struggle, put a force india driver in a Mercedes and he'd compete. But Hamilton is in the Mercedes because he's the best driver. The top golfers have the best support, the best coaches, even down to flying private so they're well rested. Both sports have their tiers, and the top players compete on the top tier. The tiers just look slightly different. Apply to football, tennis, whatever. You get into the top level because you're the best. Slightly missing the point there Brits, yes Hamilton is the best driver, but in an inferior car he would be ordinary, Rory could shoot 5 or 6 under with Ping, Taylormade, Titleist or whatever as his sport is down to excellence not equipment.
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Dec 15, 2014 11:23:59 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Dec 15, 2014 11:23:59 GMT
But Hamilton is in the Mercedes because he's the best driver. The top golfers have the best support, the best coaches, even down to flying private so they're well rested. Both sports have their tiers, and the top players compete on the top tier. The tiers just look slightly different. Apply to football, tennis, whatever. You get into the top level because you're the best. Slightly missing the point there Brits, yes Hamilton is the best driver, but in an inferior car he would be ordinary, Rory could shoot 5 or 6 under with Ping, Taylormade, Titleist or whatever as his sport is down to excellence not equipment. I disagree. The season before last he was dog shit At least Lewis is british
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Dec 15, 2014 12:22:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 12:22:53 GMT
Slightly missing the point there Brits, yes Hamilton is the best driver, but in an inferior car he would be ordinary, Rory could shoot 5 or 6 under with Ping, Taylormade, Titleist or whatever as his sport is down to excellence not equipment. I disagree. The season before last he was dog shit At least Lewis is british He was, but once he got used to his clubs he regained top form. Lewis would never be a winner in a Caterham, or a force india, maybe in a Ferrari, or Red Bull, but he certainly would not have it easy.
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Dec 15, 2014 15:29:07 GMT
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Post by britsabroad on Dec 15, 2014 15:29:07 GMT
But Hamilton is in the Mercedes because he's the best driver. The top golfers have the best support, the best coaches, even down to flying private so they're well rested. Both sports have their tiers, and the top players compete on the top tier. The tiers just look slightly different. Apply to football, tennis, whatever. You get into the top level because you're the best. Slightly missing the point there Brits, yes Hamilton is the best driver, but in an inferior car he would be ordinary, Rory could shoot 5 or 6 under with Ping, Taylormade, Titleist or whatever as his sport is down to excellence not equipment. There's a lot more to equipment /preparation in golf than the clubs you use though. The better player you are, the better of everything you have.
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