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Post by thestatusquo on Nov 24, 2014 15:56:33 GMT
We have gone from being one of the leagues major exponents of utilising these to our best advantage to being almost completely useless at them. Of the 14 that we had we rarely caused their defence any problems with them and the ball was easily headed away with barely a challenge. Where has it all gone wrong ?
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Post by kevkj on Nov 24, 2014 15:58:25 GMT
Simple,weak as piss players.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 15:59:01 GMT
We have gone from being one of the leagues major exponents of utilising these to our best advantage to being almost completely useless at them. Of the 14 that we had we rarely caused their defence any problems with them and the ball was easily headed away with barely a challenge. Where has it all gone wrong ? We got Shawcross on corner duties now but only because we were in the dying seconds of added time. Truth is, I ain't got a clue. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 24, 2014 16:06:44 GMT
Simple,weak as piss players. How do you explain Shawcross's lack of goals then, has he suddenly become weak as piss too? |
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Post by luke45 on Nov 24, 2014 17:21:52 GMT
Did anyone else notice on a number of occasions on Saturday that we positioned our players OUTSIDE the six yard box when we did an inswinging corner and INSIDE the box when we did an outswinging corner? I cannot see the logic behind doing that whatsoever and I actually think it was down to bad organisation more than anything else. I actually thought we got some really good balls into the box in open play and from dead ball situations on Saturday, it's just a shame we only managed to capitalize on one of them. It's definitely an area we desperately need to improve on, there's no way a team who have won more aerial duels than anyone in the league so far should be joint bottom on goals scored from set pieces.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 17:31:38 GMT
Simple,weak as piss players. How do you explain Shawcross's lack of goals then, has he suddenly become weak as piss too? I think I'd have posted it as below. Simple, weak as piss - taken and put into action straight from off the training ground. |
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Post by block23er on Nov 24, 2014 17:38:38 GMT
14 corners on Saturday and the only player to get a header was Begovic,awful delivery and no movement.What do we do all week in training??..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 17:41:24 GMT
Happy medium is what we haven't got. From looking a really good side, (both strong and solid), we have become too soft. Some really bad goals conceded up to now. Never thought I'd say this, but we need Glenn in the side. Very weak without him IMHO!
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 17:44:30 GMT
14 corners on Saturday and the only player to get a header was Begovic,awful delivery and no movement.What do we do all week in training??.. Fcuk all as they've been away on international duty or are just coming back from injury. Not that they cannot practice together mind in between international matches and injuries. Well that's the reply I got from someone on here anyway. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 24, 2014 18:47:47 GMT
I think the plan for dead ball situations, is just hit and hope.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 24, 2014 18:53:33 GMT
We've been shit at set plays for a few years. Huth was the only person to ever ATTTACK them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 18:57:48 GMT
We've never been as good at set pieces as the stereotype suggest. Huth had a purple patch during the FA Cup season when he scored 9, since that season his and Shawcross' goal return have been pitiful. 7 out of 10 crosses fail to get passed the 1st man, that's the problem.....
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 19:01:38 GMT
We've been shit at set plays for a few years. Huth was the only person to ever ATTTACK them. Was a fine piece of management by Hughes to bring in a replacement for Huth and an even finer piece of management to work on set pieces on the training ground. |
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Post by kevkj on Nov 25, 2014 11:16:09 GMT
I have it on good authority we do diddly squat at training regarding set pieces and defending.
Its all pass and move work predominantly.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Nov 25, 2014 14:53:33 GMT
I have it on good authority we do diddly squat at training regarding set pieces and defending. Its all pass and move work predominantly. Whilst I do agree that the 'dead ball' tactics have been pretty woeful on the whole since that Whelan/Walters well worked corner at West Ham Xmas 11/12? {Perhaps one of the best corners I've seen in the Prem years}, it doesn't mean that we should tolerate the continuing malaise. We've not just got worse at this kind of fundamental skill, but we've become theee worst in the Prem. Corners, throw ins, free kicks, largely look like a chore at the moment. They require movement, a bit of choreography and rehearsal. If the above post is true, and from the evidence I've seen so far I find it difficult to refute it, it needs sorting pronto. For a team who is struggling to find the net, but is gaining possession and yardage and forcing the opposition to clear into touch we're missing out on a second bite of the cherry through the lack of a few strategies. Worked out and rehearsed in the week. I expected a bit more from the change to more 'skilful' players, and from the nouse of Hughes and co. While a team is in transition, and 'gelling', waiting for that indefinable/unquantifiable moment when enough players 'click' more consistantly. It's counter intuitive not to run through a few funky routines. Front post flick on from N'Zonzi, a fling or two from Bardsley or Cameron. A wall that peels away from a drilled free-kick or even the odd {good} short corner. That kind of thing injects a bit of creativity/'fun' to the training, and would ultimately help in improving the defensive aspects of such play. I'm convinced we have the ingredients, but they need a bit more cheffing. If they do spend any significant time on this, then in a strange way I'd be more concerned, because the solution will be far more difficult to find. Why, when it's generally acknowledged that throughout the Prem the noble art of defending is on the decline, do we find them so impenetrable? Why, when it's stated that Hughes' teams improve in the second half of the season, isn't a back up plan of well-rehearsed set-pieces put into action? I'm convinced we could have avoided the disappointments of Leicester and Burnley {particularly} with a bit more work in training. I wonder if selection dilemmas have meant they don't know who to include in the routines? Needs sorting. {I think if there's a re-re-invigorated Whelan entering the team he should be given more corner and free kick duties, from training to match.} |
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Post by stevoyork on Nov 25, 2014 15:37:02 GMT
Corner use it!
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Post by 2004 on Nov 25, 2014 20:34:15 GMT
Bet we score from both on Saturday  |
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Post by Boothen on Nov 25, 2014 20:39:54 GMT
We need another Delap. Just because our playing style has changed under Hughes, for the better I think, having a long throw in our arsenal repertoire can only be a win/win and in no way detracts from the style of football we're now playing.
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Post by sportsman on Nov 25, 2014 20:56:14 GMT
When you have the likes of adam and whelan taking corners you might as well just pass it to their man on the front post. Oh hang on. They do.
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Post by ayem on Nov 25, 2014 21:08:52 GMT
Corners have been my main problem with the team this year, and possibly my only legitimate gripe about Hughes and his assistants.
If this one segment of our game improved we would have at least two mores wins so far. At least two. I'd be surprised if we didn't focus on this in training this week.
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