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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 24, 2014 13:57:56 GMT
in the USA carrying a fake pistol. His parents want to sue the police. I think they need to look at themselves has to why they let their son run around with a fake pistol.  |
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 24, 2014 14:13:57 GMT
I thought he were 12
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Post by redstriper on Nov 24, 2014 14:50:06 GMT
Only in America.... a trigger happy environment all round.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 24, 2014 14:53:35 GMT
at least the kid didnt shoot his shooting instructor
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Post by Etain Tur-Mukan on Nov 24, 2014 15:14:47 GMT
Serves the scrote right. He was told to put his hands up and didn't listen.
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Post by tuum on Nov 24, 2014 15:42:44 GMT
I don't know any of the facts surrounding this case but my 1st thought was that shooting dead a 12yr old kid brandishing a gun, fake or otherwise, is not a proportional response from the police.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 24, 2014 16:09:11 GMT
The kid was 12 years old for goodness sake, he was probably petrified out of his wits when the coppers pointed their guns at him, hence why he didn't put his hands up.
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Post by 2004 on Nov 24, 2014 16:18:47 GMT
That young  . Jesus |
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Post by basingstokie on Nov 24, 2014 19:03:00 GMT
Presumably the cops felt they or others were in danger, ie a real firearm and he might use it.
In which case I am 100% with the Police on this one
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Post by davei8vale on Nov 24, 2014 19:38:52 GMT
You walk around the streets with a replica that looks bloody real, after taking off the orange cap that helps police officers denote its a replica, and then refuse to follow a policeman's orders and then remove said weapon from your waist belt, then you deserve all you get in my book.
Why carry it on the street if not to alarm people?
Why remove the orange cover if not to deceive people?
Why disregard the officers commands if not to antagonize the officer?
Why remove said gun from the waist belt if not to threaten the officer?
Why not shoot the kid after warnings were given and a threat perceived?
I know nothing is ever as black and white, but you have to be bloody stupid to be carrying a modified replica on the streets in the US.
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Post by dexta on Nov 24, 2014 20:22:07 GMT
If he was white would he have been shor
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 24, 2014 21:19:55 GMT
You walk around the streets with a replica that looks bloody real, after taking off the orange cap that helps police officers denote its a replica, and then refuse to follow a policeman's orders and then remove said weapon from your waist belt, then you deserve all you get in my book. Why carry it on the street if not to alarm people? Why remove the orange cover if not to deceive people? Why disregard the officers commands if not to antagonize the officer? Why remove said gun from the waist belt if not to threaten the officer? Why not shoot the kid after warnings were given and a threat perceived? I know nothing is ever as black and white, but you have to be bloody stupid to be carrying a modified replica on the streets in the US. He was a 12 year old kid who had the misfortune to be tall for his age, he didn't point the “weapon” at the cops but it seems the rookie cop either panicked or was trigger happy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 21:40:02 GMT
You walk around the streets with a replica that looks bloody real, after taking off the orange cap that helps police officers denote its a replica, and then refuse to follow a policeman's orders and then remove said weapon from your waist belt, then you deserve all you get in my book. Why carry it on the street if not to alarm people? Why remove the orange cover if not to deceive people? Why disregard the officers commands if not to antagonize the officer? Why remove said gun from the waist belt if not to threaten the officer? Why not shoot the kid after warnings were given and a threat perceived? I know nothing is ever as black and white, but you have to be bloody stupid to be carrying a modified replica on the streets in the US. He was a 12 year old kid who had the misfortune to be tall for his age, he didn't point the “weapon” at the cops but it seems the rookie cop either panicked or was trigger happy. Its a difficult one, I used to play guns as a kid (Peter Kay Style) and it was the norm, but in this day and age, especially in the US, with all the gun crime, the parents should have been more on the ball. When it comes to flashing a gun around though...for police, its a judgement call in a split second, who knows what could happen... Either way they are in the wrong and can do no right...you could have said "shoot them in the leg" to disable them...but it is not so simple  TEST |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 24, 2014 22:11:03 GMT
He was a 12 year old kid who had the misfortune to be tall for his age, he didn't point the “weapon” at the cops but it seems the rookie cop either panicked or was trigger happy. Its a difficult one, I used to play guns as a kid (Peter Kay Style) and it was the norm, but in this day and age, especially in the US, with all the gun crime, the parents should have been more on the ball. When it comes to flashing a gun around though...for police, its a judgement call in a split second, who knows what could happen... Either way they are in the wrong and can do no right...you could have said "shoot them in the leg" to disable them...but it is not so simple TEST Thing is it should have been simple the calls to the control room said it was probably a replica but this was never passed on... It's supposedly all on video so it will become clear if he really did move towards the “weapon” but don't all US cops have tasers ? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 22:13:27 GMT
The Police in Washington do have a record of being quick on the draw though .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 22:30:55 GMT
The incident happened in Cleveland. Cleveland is one of the most dangerous places in USA for crime (safer as a city than only 2% of other cities in USA!). In the last year, 84 murders in a city with a population of less than 400,000; a rate 4 times higher than the national average; with 364 reported crimes per square mile which is 9 times higher than the national median. The district of Cleveland it took place also happens to be one of the worst areas for crime in the city.
A 12 year old kid who gets shot for disobeying orders to put his hands in the air (not exactly a difficult command to understand is it?) and instead going to reach for a gun, which had removed the identification for being a fake, is a tragedy on so many levels. So...what would you have done as a police officer in a similar situation? A kid defies your orders to reach for a gun which has no markings for being a fake, in one of the worst areas of one of the worst cities for violent crime? You've got a split second to decide.
Also, what would you do in the kids situation? You know its a fake, the cops dont and you know that it doesnt have the markings of a fake, but you've got guns pointing at you and direct orders to put your hands up.
In both circumstances, as a rational person, I'd have to take the decision to pull the trigger in the first instance, and I'd have probably put my hands up in the second.
Its tragic on numerous levels and the failing of a whole society over many years.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 24, 2014 23:28:00 GMT
If he was white would he have been shor There again if he was white he might have gone to school and killed 10 kids |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 4:12:30 GMT
Its a difficult one, I used to play guns as a kid (Peter Kay Style) and it was the norm, but in this day and age, especially in the US, with all the gun crime, the parents should have been more on the ball. When it comes to flashing a gun around though...for police, its a judgement call in a split second, who knows what could happen... Either way they are in the wrong and can do no right...you could have said "shoot them in the leg" to disable them...but it is not so simple TEST Thing is it should have been simple the calls to the control room said it was probably a replica but this was never passed on... It's supposedly all on video so it will become clear if he really did move towards the “weapon” but don't all US cops have tasers ? its diffrent in the us everybody is armed, it would be unrealistic for the officer to call anyone to verify if the weapon is real or not, does he stand there and let a 12 year old shoot him? And age is nothing to do with it a 6yr old can pull a trigger.maybe questions need to be asked to the parents why do you let your son wave a gun around in public? Fake or not. |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 25, 2014 8:16:33 GMT
Walking around Longton in broad daylight brandishing a firearm threatening the public is apparently not grounds enough to be shot dead ?, just a thought like the guy in question was black.
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Post by bubbleblower on Nov 25, 2014 8:20:47 GMT
Presumably he was shot in the leg and bled out?
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 25, 2014 9:33:24 GMT
Thing is it should have been simple the calls to the control room said it was probably a replica but this was never passed on... It's supposedly all on video so it will become clear if he really did move towards the “weapon” but don't all US cops have tasers ? its diffrent in the us everybody is armed, it would be unrealistic for the officer to call anyone to verify if the weapon is real or not, does he stand there and let a 12 year old shoot him? And age is nothing to do with it a 6yr old can pull a trigger.maybe questions need to be asked to the parents why do you let your son wave a gun around in public? Fake or not. The calls were to the police control room you'd expect them to pass this information on. He was a kid playing with a gun, he hadn't shot anyone and didn't even point the gun at the cops who would have been wearing body armour, a rookie cop has panicked with tragic consequences. |
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Post by localloser on Nov 25, 2014 12:56:07 GMT
Presumably he was shot in the leg and bled out? My understanding is that he was shot twice in the stomach |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 14:42:06 GMT
Presumably the cops felt they or others were in danger, ie a real firearm and he might use it. In which case I am 100% with the Police on this one so if a kid has a toy gun it's ok to shoot them??? they sell them in bloody B&M for less than a fiver. maybe the US police should try exercising a bit of common sense before opening fire on a primary school kid! |
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Post by basingstokie on Nov 25, 2014 20:29:19 GMT
Presumably the cops felt they or others were in danger, ie a real firearm and he might use it. In which case I am 100% with the Police on this one so if a kid has a toy gun it's ok to shoot them??? they sell them in bloody B&M for less than a fiver. maybe the US police should try exercising a bit of common sense before opening fire on a primary school kid! If the cops believe it was a real firearm and the kid was likely to use it, after having issued warnings appropriate to the situation, then yes |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 20:41:46 GMT
I think it is appalling....but this is America.
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Post by Meggsy on Nov 26, 2014 8:13:03 GMT
Surely they could of tasered the youth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 12:55:07 GMT
Its a difficult one, I used to play guns as a kid (Peter Kay Style) and it was the norm, but in this day and age, especially in the US, with all the gun crime, the parents should have been more on the ball. When it comes to flashing a gun around though...for police, its a judgement call in a split second, who knows what could happen... Either way they are in the wrong and can do no right...you could have said "shoot them in the leg" to disable them...but it is not so simple TEST Thing is it should have been simple the calls to the control room said it was probably a replica but this was never passed on... It's supposedly all on video so it will become clear if he really did move towards the “weapon” but don't all US cops have tasers ? Would it be wise to use a taser on somebody holding a gun? |
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 26, 2014 14:23:50 GMT
Thing is it should have been simple the calls to the control room said it was probably a replica but this was never passed on... It's supposedly all on video so it will become clear if he really did move towards the “weapon” but don't all US cops have tasers ? Would it be wise to use a taser on somebody holding a gun? He wasn't holding it though was he, he supposedly "made a move" for it, presumably they are just as quick to fire off as real guns and x thousand volts might also have put the other persons aim off just a little, in case they had a real gun although as in Fegurson don't really matter if the "criminal" has a gun or not too the cops. Believe cops also have mace or pepper spray. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 14:24:39 GMT
They will shoot the Milky Bar Kid next, trigger happy Yanks.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 26, 2014 21:01:23 GMT
Some quite astonishing replies on this thread, what did you want the police to do? Wait for the kid to draw the gun and fire it at them before they decided if it was real or not?
And the people suggesting the police should of used tazers or pepper spray really haven't got a clue.
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. Jesus
