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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 10:32:49 GMT
This was similar to LMH at QPR, built the forward line and attacking midfield and forgot about the defence. Hmmmm
and another.
Another stunning comback, well argued. Carry on giving the manager 10/10 whilst we lose to teams below us. 2 points from 6 matches from teams in the bottom 7, great hey.
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Nov 24, 2014 10:36:52 GMT
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Boring as fuck.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 10:47:39 GMT
The problem we've got is that we desperately need Cameron at right back for matches like Burnley at home. He gives us so much going forward and that is a necessity when you're playing a home match that you should be winning. Bardsley might be a more natural right back defensively but he doesn't offer enough going forward.
I wouldn't be playing Muniesa at left back again in a hurry either.
Hopefully Pieters is back soon, and Geoff has a change of heart over playing at full back.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 24, 2014 11:05:09 GMT
I don't remember his positional sense being a problem. His passing was atrocious but his defending was ok on whole. Not a natural centre half, right footed, playing at left cenre half as the only available option Geoff's positional sense was reasonable v Burnley but has frequently been poor in the past. His positioning at corners is sometimes woeful as he often doesn't seem to know who to pick up or he gets left for dead. He gets caught wrongside too often at RB and is too easily turned. Ok going forward but then often fails to get back quickly enough to pick up his defensive responsibilities. Reminds me a bit of Pluto the dog at times - ie all over the fekin place. A weak link and a worry for me every time he plays in the back four Total bat shit. Cameron wasn't the weak link Saturday no matter how you paint it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 11:25:26 GMT
Got to agree, Ryan apart, our defenders are really not that good. Far too many mistakes, due in my mind to lack of concentration and poor positioning. Needs sorting a.s.a.p.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 11:33:19 GMT
Well when Shawcross talks about players that are not switched on in training then a) we have big problems b) they must think they are better than they are or could not care less c) Hughes and team need to get their act together Clearly a big issue That really does take the piss and becomes even more of a piss take that it's allowed to go on as it's both disgusting and neglectful. Sort it fcuking out Hughes.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 24, 2014 11:38:43 GMT
Huth would have made sure Ings got nowhere near scoring those goals!
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 24, 2014 11:52:44 GMT
This , Ryan carry the team/back four , is bollix
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Post by skelman on Nov 24, 2014 12:02:24 GMT
Not a natural centre half, right footed, playing at left cenre half as the only available option Geoff's positional sense was reasonable v Burnley but has frequently been poor in the past. His positioning at corners is sometimes woeful as he often doesn't seem to know who to pick up or he gets left for dead. He gets caught wrongside too often at RB and is too easily turned. Ok going forward but then often fails to get back quickly enough to pick up his defensive responsibilities. Reminds me a bit of Pluto the dog at times - ie all over the fekin place. A weak link and a worry for me every time he plays in the back four Total bat shit. Cameron wasn't the weak link Saturday no matter how you paint it. Bollocks to you too. Didn't say Cameron was to blame on saturday. Read the post properly. And if you think Cameron is a safe bat you're fekin deluded. Cameron is a liability anywhere in the back 4!!
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 12:10:11 GMT
We have been missing Huth there is no doubt about that , Ryan can't do it all himself in the middle. Hughes needs a kick in the bollocks for not getting another decent centre back in the summer. One thing I will say for a defensive unit, you need to be playing together week in week out to be that unit, knowing each others strengths and weaknesses. Being a professional footballer doesn't mean you don't need time to get used to how that unit plays. The training ground isn't enough. We've been unlucky with injuries imho, saying that we really need to take our chances in front of goal, our finishing is nothing short of fucking wank in any kind of regularity. H Whilst you are correct in one way about players needing matches together to understand their strengths and weaknesses these are 'same as I've said before' players that have been together for the time that the manager has been here 'apart from Bardsley who's a seasoned pro anyway', have played together in both matches and on the training ground so they should indeed know each other's game. Same as I've said before if they don't then something isn't adding up and what suffolkstokie posted regards Shawcross stating that players are not switched on in training adds further weight to what I have previously stated. also I'm pretty sure that indiscipline was allowed to continue during his time at QPR and I'm pretty sure as that too came from within. Overall it's pretty disgusting and unprofessional that it's allowed to continue. Regards Shawcross I believe he'll be wanting away pretty soon and I doubt Hughes will be pleased that he said what he has had to say.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:13:55 GMT
We have been missing Huth there is no doubt about that , Ryan can't do it all himself in the middle. Hughes needs a kick in the bollocks for not getting another decent centre back in the summer. One thing I will say for a defensive unit, you need to be playing together week in week out to be that unit, knowing each others strengths and weaknesses. Being a professional footballer doesn't mean you don't need time to get used to how that unit plays. The training ground isn't enough. We've been unlucky with injuries imho, saying that we really need to take our chances in front of goal, our finishing is nothing short of fucking wank in any kind of regularity. H Whilst you are correct in one way about players needing matches together to understand their strengths and weaknesses these are 'same as I've said before' are players that have been together for the time that the manager has been here 'apart from Bardsley who's a seasoned pro anyway', have played together in both matches and on the training ground so they should indeed know each other's game. Same as I've said before if they don't then something isn't adding up and what suffolkstokie posted regards Shawcross stating that players are not switched on in training adds further wait to what I have previously stated. Also I'm pretty sure that indiscipline was allowed to continue during his time at QPR and I'm pretty sure as that too came from within. Overall it's pretty disgusting and unprofessional that it's allowed to continue. Regards Shawcross I believe he'll be wanting away pretty soon and I doubt Hughes will be pleased that he said what he has had to say. The manager takes some of the responsibility but the players have to accept their share of the blame too. They shouldn't be switched off in training. They shouldn't take complacency into match day. I guarantee Muniesa and Bardsley will be disappointed with their efforts for the goals against Burnley.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 12:16:05 GMT
Whilst you are correct in one way about players needing matches together to understand their strengths and weaknesses these are 'same as I've said before' are players that have been together for the time that the manager has been here 'apart from Bardsley who's a seasoned pro anyway', have played together in both matches and on the training ground so they should indeed know each other's game. Same as I've said before if they don't then something isn't adding up and what suffolkstokie posted regards Shawcross stating that players are not switched on in training adds further wait to what I have previously stated. Also I'm pretty sure that indiscipline was allowed to continue during his time at QPR and I'm pretty sure as that too came from within. Overall it's pretty disgusting and unprofessional that it's allowed to continue. Regards Shawcross I believe he'll be wanting away pretty soon and I doubt Hughes will be pleased that he said what he has had to say. The manager takes some of the responsibility but the players have to accept their share of the blame too. They should be switched on in training. They shouldn't take complacency into match day. I guarantee Muniesa and Bardsley will be disappointed with their efforts for the goals against Burnley. If the players are allowed to get away with such an appalling act of indiscipline then the buck stops with one person and that person is the manager. Prepare professionally and that stands you in better stead to perform professionally. Edit - Seems as though complacency isn't only taken out onto the pitch too as it seems to be taken onto the training ground too and that's nothing short of a disgrace.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:17:11 GMT
The manager takes some of the responsibility but the players have to accept their share of the blame too. They should be switched on in training. They shouldn't take complacency into match day. I guarantee Muniesa and Bardsley will be disappointed with their efforts for the goals against Burnley. If the players are allowed to get away with such an appalling act of indiscipline then the buck stops with one person and that person is the manager. Prepare professionally and that stands you in better stead to perform professionally. The players are professional, no? There's only so much the manager can do. He can't do it for them.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 12:22:14 GMT
If the players are allowed to get away with such an appalling act of indiscipline then the buck stops with one person and that person is the manager. Prepare professionally and that stands you in better stead to perform professionally. The players are professional, no? There's only so much the manager can do. He can't do it for them. It's the managers job to prepare them professionally as that's surely the basics required from any manager. The manager cannot do it for them so the manager either sorts it out, ships them out. There can be no middle ground in a situation like that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:24:17 GMT
The players are professional, no? There's only so much the manager can do. He can't do it for them. It's the managers job to prepare them professionally as that's surely the basics required from any manager. The manager cannot do it for them so the manager either sorts it out and ship them out of the door or you allow it to continue. There can be no middle ground in a situation like that. He's proven he can "sort it out" when he guided us to our best league finish in over 40 years last time out. We should probably give him a bit of breathing space, given his credentials and his success over the past 12 months or so.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 24, 2014 12:26:02 GMT
What has Ryan said about attitude during training, ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:26:38 GMT
What has Ryan said about attitude during training, ? Some are switched off at times.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 24, 2014 12:30:00 GMT
Did he say during a interview, ? , can't find it
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 12:34:46 GMT
It's the managers job to prepare them professionally as that's surely the basics required from any manager. The manager cannot do it for them so the manager either sorts it out and ship them out of the door or you allow it to continue. There can be no middle ground in a situation like that. He's proven he can "sort it out" when he guided us to our best league finish in over 40 years last time out. We should probably give him a bit of breathing space, given his credentials and his success over the past 12 months or so. For some reason the defending has gradually got worse. I'd imagine Hughes needed to hear his captains honest assessment like he needs an hole in the head but that's Shawcross for you an honest dedicated professional who wants to do his best everytime and who is obviously becoming frustrated as to what he's witnessing on that training ground. I thought something wasn't adding up as to why our defence is all over the place because these are not a group of novices that have just being thrown together, these are players that have been together for a long time and players that should have an understanding of each other's strengths and weaknesses from practicing on that training ground.
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Post by Davef on Nov 24, 2014 12:35:02 GMT
What has Ryan said about attitude during training, ? Some are switched off at times. I'm not sure Ryan actually meant that. I think he meant that they've switched off during the game after what they've been told or worked on in training.
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Post by werrington on Nov 24, 2014 12:35:56 GMT
This was similar to LMH at QPR, built the forward line and attacking midfield and forgot about the defence. Hmmmm But I notice you haven't mentioned the Mark Hughes at Fulham, Blackburn, Man City or Wales Hmmm
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Post by werrington on Nov 24, 2014 12:38:59 GMT
We have been missing Huth there is no doubt about that , Ryan can't do it all himself in the middle. Hughes needs a kick in the bollocks for not getting another decent centre back in the summer. One thing I will say for a defensive unit, you need to be playing together week in week out to be that unit, knowing each others strengths and weaknesses. Being a professional footballer doesn't mean you don't need time to get used to how that unit plays. The training ground isn't enough. We've been unlucky with injuries imho, saying that we really need to take our chances in front of goal, our finishing is nothing short of fucking wank in any kind of regularity. H Whilst you are correct in one way about players needing matches together to understand their strengths and weaknesses these are 'same as I've said before' players that have been together for the time that the manager has been here 'apart from Bardsley who's a seasoned pro anyway', have played together in both matches and on the training ground so they should indeed know each other's game. Same as I've said before if they don't then something isn't adding up and what suffolkstokie posted regards Shawcross stating that players are not switched on in training adds further weight to what I have previously stated. also I'm pretty sure that indiscipline was allowed to continue during his time at QPR and I'm pretty sure as that too came from within. Overall it's pretty disgusting and unprofessional that it's allowed to continue. Regards Shawcross I believe he'll be wanting away pretty soon and I doubt Hughes will be pleased that he said what he has had to say. Oh hey up it's starting already So if Shawcross leaves it's Hughes fault yeah ? A little bit similar to Tony walking away rather than sacked ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:40:12 GMT
Some are switched off at times. I'm not sure Ryan actually meant that. I think he meant that they've switched off during the game after what they've been told or worked on in training. Maybe Dave. It's not good enough either way.
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 12:41:37 GMT
Whilst you are correct in one way about players needing matches together to understand their strengths and weaknesses these are 'same as I've said before' players that have been together for the time that the manager has been here 'apart from Bardsley who's a seasoned pro anyway', have played together in both matches and on the training ground so they should indeed know each other's game. Same as I've said before if they don't then something isn't adding up and what suffolkstokie posted regards Shawcross stating that players are not switched on in training adds further weight to what I have previously stated. also I'm pretty sure that indiscipline was allowed to continue during his time at QPR and I'm pretty sure as that too came from within. Overall it's pretty disgusting and unprofessional that it's allowed to continue. Regards Shawcross I believe he'll be wanting away pretty soon and I doubt Hughes will be pleased that he said what he has had to say. Oh hey up it's starting already So if Shawcross leaves it's Hughes fault yeah ? A little bit similar to Tony walking away rather than sacked ? Not saying that at all but whichever way you would like to dress up what I say then one shouldn't look any further than what Ryan had to say was one that suggests he's unhappy to what he's seeing.
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Post by Davef on Nov 24, 2014 12:45:14 GMT
I'm not sure Ryan actually meant that. I think he meant that they've switched off during the game after what they've been told or worked on in training. Maybe Dave. It's not good enough either way. Agreed.
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Post by werrington on Nov 24, 2014 12:52:16 GMT
Oh hey up it's starting already So if Shawcross leaves it's Hughes fault yeah ? A little bit similar to Tony walking away rather than sacked ? Not saying that at all but whichever way you would like to dress up what I say then one shouldn't look any further than what Ryan had to say was one that suggests he's unhappy to what he's seeing. He speaks very well of Mark Hughes But you don't want to hear that side of things
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Post by tazi on Nov 24, 2014 12:57:38 GMT
Not saying that at all but whichever way you would like to dress up what I say then one shouldn't look any further than what Ryan had to say was one that suggests he's unhappy to what he's seeing. He speaks very well of Mark Hughes But you don't want to hear that side of things Indeed he does but that doesn't escape the fact that he appears not to be happy. Same as I've just text ya that if your captain isn't happy as to what he's seeing then something doesn't bode well. But, hey, you just keep thinking that it doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 13:02:27 GMT
He wasn't happy as he was interviewed 20 minutes after losing a game we should have won. Everything else is in your head........
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Post by werrington on Nov 24, 2014 13:06:11 GMT
He wasn't happy as he was interviewed 20 minutes after losing a game we should have won. Everything else is in your head........ Oh he'll milk this one PP......Shawcross is now officially looking to get away from SCFC and Mark Hughes in Tazis mind ( smiley )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 13:08:42 GMT
He wasn't happy as he was interviewed 20 minutes after losing a game we should have won. Everything else is in your head........ Oh he'll milk this one PP......Shawcross is now officially looking to get away from SCFC and Mark Hughes in Tazis mind ( smiley ) Hughes has lost the dressing room I heard, we could have a mutiny on our hands......
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