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Post by spitshaw on Nov 23, 2014 23:15:15 GMT
Seeing as its happening so often which do you think is the main problem
A. Motivation B. Concentration / individual errors C. Tactics/Formation D. Lack of Effort E. Not creative enough F. Other - (feel free to mention)
Its doing my nut in now as I hate losing at home especially dropping so many points in games we should have won
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Post by march4 on Nov 23, 2014 23:15:51 GMT
Complacency.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 23, 2014 23:18:25 GMT
Conversion rate
24 attempts on Saturday. 4 on target.
Says it all.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Nov 23, 2014 23:19:35 GMT
Oh and I agree with the OP, I hate losing at home.
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Post by Coll40 on Nov 23, 2014 23:20:16 GMT
They come to the Brit and put 10 men behind the ball. Apart from Bojan and Moses, we have no one with the skill to break through. As Hughes improves our squad with more skillful players, we will improve.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 23:20:33 GMT
Mix for me, I think generally we spend all our time in their halves failing to break down defences... They're bound to have the odd burst forward and when they do to often we are complacent and get caught with and our pants down with our hand in the cookie jar (that's right, two analogies, it's that bad people)
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Nov 23, 2014 23:25:41 GMT
Mix for me, I think generally we spend all our time in their halves failing to break down defences... They're bound to have the odd burst forward and when they do to often we are complacent and get caught with and our pants down with our hand in the cookie jar (that's right, two analogies, it's that bad people) At least we don't get caught with the cookie jar down and our hands in our pants...
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Post by prem4stoke on Nov 23, 2014 23:28:38 GMT
We need to massively improve corners and free kicks!
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Post by upthefud on Nov 23, 2014 23:29:35 GMT
We start the game as though we're 3-0 up.
Useless set plays. Defence can't concentrate.
Without Diouf and Moses firing we lack the pace to get behind teams and create
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Post by generationex on Nov 23, 2014 23:32:18 GMT
No clean sheets and can't score from dead balls. If you can't score through creative play its got to be plan B.
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Post by innocentbystander on Nov 23, 2014 23:41:45 GMT
We start the game as though we're 3-0 up. Useless set plays. Defence can't concentrate. Without Diouf and Moses firing we lack the pace to get behind teams and create Once Diouf and Moses went off yesterday we looked toothless - mad decision if Diouf was not injured. And the writing was on the wall when they changed ends at KO, we can never deal with that.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 23, 2014 23:45:30 GMT
We start the game as though we're 3-0 up. Useless set plays. Defence can't concentrate. Without Diouf and Moses firing we lack the pace to get behind teams and create Once Diouf and Moses went off yesterday we looked toothless - mad decision if Diouf was not injured. And the writing was on the wall when they changed ends at KO, we can never deal with that. We already looked toothless when Diouf was on, it was the worst game he's had so far. To answer the OP, we just can't seem to break teams down, maybe its down to being creative, or the lack of, but tbh we haven't played that well in most of our home games.
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Post by greystokie on Nov 23, 2014 23:47:21 GMT
If you look at the table this evening there are only four teams who have conceded fewer goals than us; the top three sides being amongst them. Now I know that its infuriating to see that we have let in some howlers but by this measure at least we are maybe not doing quite so badly. On the other hand there are five teams who have scored fewer than us; and the bottom four are amongst that lot. Our real problem is that we simply aren't scoring enough. We all saw yesterday that in spite of the possession, the corners and the attempts on goal we just aren't taking our chances. If we were scoring and winning then most of us would be shrugging off the goals conceded as being the price to be paid for a more attacking brand of football.
Many are clamouring for a new centre half in the January window. The problem there is that probably half of the teams in the league will be doing the same. Arsenal, Manyoo and Spurs to name 3 will be fishing in the same pool as us with much bigger rods and better bait. Our priority has to be at the other end of the park. Teams know how to play us at the Brit. We need to find a way of unlocking tight defences
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Post by seanrjstokie on Nov 23, 2014 23:50:30 GMT
No space for our fast players to get in behind cause teams just sit back on us and break. When someone does a job on Moses we struggle because we move the ball too slow without cutting edge
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2014 23:56:59 GMT
Yesterday wasn't about how Burnley set up. We were in a situation after 30 minutes where we were two goals down and hadn't had a kick of the ball because we kept making stupid mistakes, passing to imaginary Stoke players, missing tackles and running into each other. That smacks of something else.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2014 0:02:46 GMT
If we are better than these 'shit' teams at all then it isn't by a big enough margin.
Football is probably the chanciest sport there is owing to its low scoring nature so unless you are a Chelsea distance ahead of your opponents you are going to lose a few against the supposedly lesser teams.
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Post by prem4stoke on Nov 24, 2014 0:18:20 GMT
If we are better than these 'shit' teams at all then it isn't by a big enough margin. Football is probably the chanciest sport there is owing to its low scoring nature so unless you are a Chelsea distance ahead of your opponents you are going to lose a few against the supposedly lesser teams. Shouldn't 14 corners to their 0 give you the edge? How did we manage less shots on target than them? Shots Stoke 25 - 5 Burnley On target Stoke 3 - 4 Burnley Corners Stoke 14 - 0 Burnley
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Post by owdestokie on Nov 24, 2014 1:40:31 GMT
No intensity or aggression in the play from the minute the whistle goes = Inept tactics for a home side
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Post by 2004 on Nov 24, 2014 8:40:09 GMT
Mix of everything really
-Poor set pieces -No intensity at the start -Not taking our chances -Individual Mistakes -Terrible defending
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Nov 24, 2014 9:06:06 GMT
Complacency sums it up for me. Expecting to just turn up and play silky football to win against teams that are ready for the battle.
We need to win the battle first before we can dominate possession and press home the advantage.
Also a common mistake is not looking at your opponents tactics. When we play a bigger team than us you can see that Hughes will tweak the tactics/formation to counteract the opposition. When we play Villa/Burnley etc Hughes will just keep the same team and expect that to be enough.
We have plenty of other options. Adams and Crouch it makes sense to play them more at home games, with maybe 2 genuine wingers. Away from home we can use the pace of Diouf and battling of SJW.
Home team front 6:
Nzonzi Adam
Assaidi Bojan Moses Crouch
Away team front 6:
Sidwell Nzonzi Walters Bojan Moses Diouf
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Post by stevoyork on Nov 24, 2014 9:36:52 GMT
NO PLAN B
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Post by jarhead on Nov 24, 2014 9:57:04 GMT
Arrogance
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Post by skelman on Nov 24, 2014 10:03:19 GMT
Programmed to be safe & patient ..... then it becomes a problem to move up out of 2nd gear as shock sets in when we concede
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Post by unknown182 on Nov 24, 2014 10:08:14 GMT
Constantly getting the ball out wide and crossing it when Moses is the only player with decent delivery. Corners are a waste of time so we need to just play them short from now on. They had ten men in the box and were clearing the ball away with ease. Hughes should have brought Assaidi on IMO who would at least try and have a shot on target.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2014 10:12:03 GMT
We are a very good, pacy counter attacking side. We are a very average 'making the running' side and in either of these modes we are constantly at home to Mr Cock Up.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 24, 2014 10:13:32 GMT
It is getting so predictable now. We talked about how it would pan out on the drive up.
That therefore has to be put at the door of the management team
We remain a mistake or two nearly every game at home
All our set pieces remain shocking
We have no plan B at all
At home Sparky continues to make very bizarre or very late subs
Walking football to allow 10 behind the ball time after time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 11:27:33 GMT
Teams that close us down quickly, invariably come out on top.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Nov 24, 2014 12:05:01 GMT
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Teams like Chelsea, man city, Barcelona can take apart teams with 11 men behind the ball because they have players who can create the chances which we have but also those players will finish those chances 9 time out of ten. If we had those players we would score past these teams and be doing a lot better than we are. Southampton are doing well because they're player are creating and converting the chances a lot more frequently. Give us a player like pelle or Diego Costa. We wouldn't have lost to burnlet because set them up and there finishing it will end up in the back of the net. Oh and these teams also don't fuck up at the back. Get a player like huth along side Shawcross who is going to go hard in the tackle make his presence known and can play the ball we won't look half as dire at the back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 12:09:17 GMT
We've got problems but things aren't as bad as some make out.
Our home performances are nowhere near good enough, West Ham aside. We've put in a couple of brilliant showings away from home though to counter some of those sub standard efforts.
We've made little investment but we're moving along quite nicely in general. Liverpool and Spurs have both spent over £100m and have nothing to show for it.
We could be doing better. We could also be doing a lot worse.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 24, 2014 12:28:51 GMT
Complacency and lack of respect for the opposition - whilst shown by the players in how they conducted themseleves on the pitch (particularly in rthwe first 30 mins), something for which Hughes and the wider management team perhaps, are accountable for......
Beyond that, poor substitutions and lack of a plan B as pointed out by others.....again one for Hughesy to ponder...
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