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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2014 14:47:51 GMT
Now I'm not writing specifically about Burnley here and we're as guilty of doing this as any other team in the country, but this business of time-wasting by going down to receive treatment has gone too far. If a team is building up a bit of pressure in momentum, then you can guarantee that an opposition player will then spend five minutes on the floor receiving treatment, so as to take the sting out of the game. Absolutely everybody is at it from us to the German national team. The problem is that it's not conducive to a good game of football (yes, I did cringe a little typing that). It's therefore something that the authorities should be looking at dealing with.
Part of the problem is that the rule that was brought in to try and prevent this sort of thing, which made players who receive treatment leave the pitch, is completely ineffective. They still get to sit on the pitch for a good five minutes stopping play and then the referee lets them straight back on afterwards. The cleverest players will go down for long enough to get play stopped, but then get up without the physio coming on, so that they don't have to go off afterwards. The temptation is to say that play should not be stopped for anything other than a very obvious physical injury, such as a broken leg or some sort of bleeding. If you go down, play carries on. If you want the physio, the physio can come onto the pitch but play will carry on. Play can be stopped to bring a stretcher on, but if that happens then the player is not allowed to return to the field of play again.
An alternative would be that if a player spends x minutes on the floor, he then has to spend x minutes waiting on the touchline to come back on.
Either way, I'd like to see some sort of change because it's one of the most annoying features of the modern game for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 14:56:20 GMT
Agreed. They took the Mickey with it yesterday.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 23, 2014 15:01:33 GMT
Some good points raised and I agree, the game is being ruined by this type of activity. I really don't see a problem doing similar to what they do in rugby where play goes on around the injured player and the physio giving treatment. Head injuries will always be a concern but with the amount of cameras at games it wouldn't be too hard for a fourth official or someone to make a quick assessment to see the level of force. The West Ham game yesterday with Tomkins was it who clutched his face when contact was not above the neck is an example where a quick look could and should be made.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 15:04:21 GMT
The thing is that the ref's have got to stop play if they think it's a head injury. Making players stay off the pitch after this kind of injury is fine for instances like yesterday where it was clearly a Burnely tactic to break up the play, but if you're genuinely injured because someone's just unfairly clattered you, then it's a bit unfair to penalise you for being injured.
On a separate point, did anyone notice how when their players went off injured, they were waved back on by Twatkinson straight away. How often have we had players standing on the touchline for ages before being allowed back on. No consistency whatsoever.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 15:07:05 GMT
Faking injury is no worse than diving. There is no sportsmanship in football anymore, and players who cheat should receive bans after and if in a cup final lose their medal.
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Post by Davef on Nov 23, 2014 15:16:25 GMT
I'd like to congratulate the moron who thought it was a good idea to take goal kicks from either side of the six yard box regardless of which side the ball went out.
Another rule that needs binning yesterday.
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Post by Hairystool on Nov 23, 2014 15:27:46 GMT
Treat the injury on the pitch if the ref waves the 'Trainer' on! (An age thing!)
The game continues.
If it IS a genuine injury then the game continues, a quick decision is made to either substitute due to a genuine injury or the 'Trainer' says, 'Get the fuck up, you pansy, and stop embarrassing yourself, the fans, and this football club!'.
Obviously in the case of the stretcher being required the game should stop!
I'm still trying to formulate my position on whether a defender on the floor is still playing the attacking team inside, but I'm definitely inclined to say YES!!
That would sort some of these time-wasting panty-liners out!!
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Post by Hairystool on Nov 23, 2014 15:29:51 GMT
*onside*
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 23, 2014 15:32:00 GMT
Each team should name a "second bench" in addition to the matchday squad, that only includes youth team players. If a player receives an injury that takes longer than 30 seconds for him to leave the pitch for treatment, the referee should be able to force a substitution. If all three normal subs have been used, the referee can still force a sub but by bringing on a youngster.
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Post by onionman on Nov 23, 2014 15:36:13 GMT
The problem is referees would be the ones deciding which players are genuinely seriously injured, and which ones only have superficial wounds which don't require play to be stopped.
We all know how that would pan out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 15:36:02 GMT
I'd like to congratulate the moron who thought it was a good idea to take goal kicks from either side of the six yard box regardless of which side the ball went out. Another rule that needs binning yesterday. I've got an idea the rule was brought in to prevent keepers from wasting time by deliberately putting the ball on one side, only for the ref to tell him to move it to the other side. It wouldn't have mattered yesterday if the ref had done something about it early-doors. |
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 23, 2014 15:53:32 GMT
They should be made to leave the pitch on the opposite side to the dug then return to the dug walking around the pitch and only be allowed back on from there,the latter i thought was the rule now.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 23, 2014 16:02:35 GMT
Whenever a player goes down 'injured' play should continue, if after 30 seconds the player isn't back to his feet it is 'obviously' a serious injury, therefore the game gets stopped & the player has to leave the field for ten minutes. He can NOT come back on before the ten minutes is up, the only exception to that would be if it was a genuine injury & he has to be replaced by a sub.
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Post by jeycov on Nov 23, 2014 17:25:17 GMT
The game is stopped for an injury = the player concerned has to leave the field , regardless of whether the trainer comes onto the pitch
Keep it simple, discourage time wasting / feigning injury .
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 23, 2014 20:22:09 GMT
I think Danny Ings is destined for a top club (not for his goal scoring).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 20:25:22 GMT
They started time wasting from the 26th minute. Halfway through the second half the referee decided to get his cards out. He knew what they were doing and knew what he was doing. Had he given a card earlier he knew later on he would have a decision to make. First referee to send off a keeper for two bookings for time wasting? No referee wants that.
The head injury is the oldest trick in the book because the referee has to stop the game.
The keeper going down with cramp was taking the piss.
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Post by greyman on Nov 23, 2014 20:27:11 GMT
As well as the succession of head injuries that coincided with Stoke attacks were the number of times they kicked the ball out for throws deep into our own half afterwards. The ref should have booked somebody each time it happened. He almost lost control of the game because he wasn't dealing with this - let's call it for what it is - cheating.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 20:39:08 GMT
The rules state that you only stop play if there's a head injury. It's these soft arse players that need get that in there heads!! Arnie thought about kicking the ball out yesterday because a burnley player took one in the balls!! Players need to grow a bastard pair and play on unless there's a clear head injury
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Post by 2004 on Nov 23, 2014 20:45:40 GMT
Burnley took cheating to a new level yesterday.
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Nov 23, 2014 20:50:37 GMT
This is my view, and I said this several times, very loudly at the game.
Ings feigned a head injury in the fist half. It was very clear that it was as we were on the attack, and it was clear he could have carried on rather than lying on the floor for several minutes.
Minutes later, I think it was sidwell who clattered into him for what I think was a genuine head injury.
Leave him! Its deserved for being such a pansy in the first place. Boy who cried wolf and all that.
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Post by march4 on Nov 23, 2014 21:02:16 GMT
Perhaps the answer is a combination of the above suggestions.
1 Physio allowed on pitch while game in motion
2 If injury is serious, next natural break in play used to stretcher player off
3 Player remains off pitch for an equivalent amount of time to that for which his injury had delayed a restart
How often does a player get so seriously injured that the above would cause an issue??
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Post by salopstick on Nov 23, 2014 21:11:30 GMT
I'd like to congratulate the moron who thought it was a good idea to take goal kicks from either side of the six yard box regardless of which side the ball went out. Another rule that needs binning yesterday. that pissed me off yesterday Just take it from the penalty spot |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Nov 23, 2014 21:16:34 GMT
I'd be very interested to know how much of the 2nd half was actually made up of the ball in play. I'd be surprised if it was 20 mins.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:19:13 GMT
Players with head injuries/ fake head injuries, should have to leave the pitch to be checked by a doctor, and allowed back on the next time the ball goes out of play.
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Post by prem4stoke on Nov 23, 2014 21:31:58 GMT
I'd like to congratulate the moron who thought it was a good idea to take goal kicks from either side of the six yard box regardless of which side the ball went out. Another rule that needs binning yesterday. that pissed me off yesterday Just take it from the penalty spot I don't get it what difference does it make which side you take it from? |
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2014 21:37:34 GMT
that pissed me off yesterday Just take it from the penalty spot I don't get it what difference does it make which side you take it from? Their goalkeeper would quite often take his time going to retrieve the ball, then very slowly move to the other side of the six yards box. Best of all, sometimes he would put the ball down on the near side of the six yards box and then move it over to the other side. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:39:08 GMT
I don't get it what difference does it make which side you take it from? Their goalkeeper would quite often take his time going to retrieve the ball, then very slowly move to the other side of the six yards box. Best of all, sometimes he would put the ball down on the near side of the six yards box and then move it over to the other side. Remember us in our first season up? We simply cannot moan about the keeper yesterday. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Nov 23, 2014 21:46:18 GMT
Their goalkeeper would quite often take his time going to retrieve the ball, then very slowly move to the other side of the six yards box. Best of all, sometimes he would put the ball down on the near side of the six yards box and then move it over to the other side. Remember us in our first season up? We simply cannot moan about the keeper yesterday. Nah mate, you've got us mixed up with some other team. We've never done such a low underhand thing. We are Stoke City and we'll remember what we want. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 23, 2014 21:46:24 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 23, 2014 21:47:17 GMT
Stopping play does help disrupt play but it does make sense to stop for a head injury. It should be rectified by the ref allowing sufficient time added on for stoppages. On Saturday 5 minutes extra was a joke, should have been much longer. That said an extra hour wouldn't have changed the result.
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