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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 23, 2014 13:00:49 GMT
It's frustrating, I just don't think it's necessarily his fault. I don't see why people are getting pissy about him not writing off his Chelsea career either. I've seen us without him against Villa and against Hull and our attacking play with him has been light years ahead of our play without him. The fact that he's been involved in a high number of our goals this season is another clue. He's a strong contender for our player of the season thus far. I just don't see how somebody so at pains to excuse Arnie at every turn then want to stick the boot into Moses. It can't be football related. He wasn't. He was toss and Arnie posed way more threat than Moses had done. Like Moses his final ball was shit so treat them the same. This time last season I wad defending Arnie and his efforts yet expressing my main frustration which was his inability to compete beyond 60 minutes. St least I'm consistent with my grumblings. Most of you lot pick and choose your targets and contradict yourself to suit. These are the bits I have a problem with mate. For starters, I think it's total bollocks to suggest Arnie posed way more threat than Moses had done. We managed a grand total of one decent chance after he went off. Second, Moses had a pre-season that lasted something like 24 minutes after getting injured during the world cup. It's frustrating but not surprising that he might not be 100%. I don't think the bloke's choosing to twang his hamstring. I suspect we're patching him up and getting him on the pitch because we know how important he is.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Nov 23, 2014 13:02:41 GMT
Well we will never, probably have a better chance at their place
They play today and then a long trip to Bulgaria on Wednesday for a must win game, so he cant really rest players So the time they get back they really only have Friday to concentrate on us
Plus their main man is still out
They will come at us, because that is what the Kop demands/Rodgers knows no different which so suits or style right now
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2014 13:02:20 GMT
If Pieters is fit; Bego Bardsley Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Walters Bojan Arnie Diouf That's presuming Moses is injured too. As for Wilson, he's utter wank but Cameron is a plethora of wank. One needs to be sold, the other benched. That would be me team, definitely. I'd feel a bit guilty about dropping Sidwell, though. Then again, where were the midfield for the two goals yesterday?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 23, 2014 13:08:34 GMT
If Arnie and Balottoli play I wonder if they will swap shirts at half time,
with the right team there has never been a better time to win there
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 23, 2014 13:09:49 GMT
If Arnie and Balottoli play I wonder if they will swap shirts at half time, with the right team there has never been a better time to win there Completely agree, and it's about time that we did.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 13:15:16 GMT
He wasn't. He was toss and Arnie posed way more threat than Moses had done. Like Moses his final ball was shit so treat them the same. This time last season I wad defending Arnie and his efforts yet expressing my main frustration which was his inability to compete beyond 60 minutes. St least I'm consistent with my grumblings. Most of you lot pick and choose your targets and contradict yourself to suit. These are the bits I have a problem with mate. For starters, I think it's total bollocks to suggest Arnie posed way more threat than Moses had done. We managed a grand total of one decent chance after he went off. Second, Moses had a pre-season that lasted something like 24 minutes after getting injured during the world cup. It's frustrating but not surprising that he might not be 100%. I don't think the bloke's choosing to twang his hamstring. I suspect we're patching him up and getting him on the pitch because we know how important he is. There's no hamstring tweak. His thigh keeps cramping and mentally he isn't tough enough to play on. When has he ever attempted to run it off? The answer you're looking for is "not once". Meanwhile bardsley played with s groin injury, went through the pain barrier and played 90 minutes. As for Arnie he put 7 crosses over in 20 minutes (many of them shit crosses), he ran one ball out of play and had a lousy scuffed shot. From Moses I recall 2 shots, several lousy corners, a dive and barely a cross worthy of the name. One is exonerated. One is slaughtered. Its the same whenever we lose. The complete and utter shit that gets posted is ludicrous yet the real culprits escape free. One prick even said assaidi wad the right sub because Arnie only ever cuts inside. You couldn't make shit like that up. The fact we had 1 chance in those last 20 minutes had more to do with the hapless crouch and lumbering Adam than it did to Arnie who at least tried to make things happen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2014 13:20:22 GMT
If Pieters is fit; Bego Bardsley Shawcross Muni Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Walters Bojan Arnie Diouf That's presuming Moses is injured too. As for Wilson, he's utter wank but Cameron is a plethora of wank. One needs to be sold, the other benched. That would be me team, definitely. I'd feel a bit guilty about dropping Sidwell, though. Then again, where were the midfield for the two goals yesterday? I haven't seen them back but I did ask my mate that in my post game ranting back to the car yesterday. I thought Sidwell was ok but I'd drop him.
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Post by Fred Merger on Nov 23, 2014 13:23:55 GMT
Ipersonally dont think it would be a bad decision to give charlie a game next week,as hes got an axe to grind with liverpool.possibly play him deeper with bojan in front and sidwell or nonz beside him.Rodgers will be licking his lips with our defensive performance yesterday and will come at us from the off.There will be gaps and im sure the way liverpool play will suit our style.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 13:27:31 GMT
My team would be;
Butland Bardsley, shawcross, Wilson, pieters Cameron, sidwell, whelan, Muniesa Walters, crouch,
Strip the team of as much ability as possible and go with a limited team of work horses.
Its what our supporters like best. There is no room for talent at stoke city.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 23, 2014 13:29:24 GMT
These are the bits I have a problem with mate. For starters, I think it's total bollocks to suggest Arnie posed way more threat than Moses had done. We managed a grand total of one decent chance after he went off. Second, Moses had a pre-season that lasted something like 24 minutes after getting injured during the world cup. It's frustrating but not surprising that he might not be 100%. I don't think the bloke's choosing to twang his hamstring. I suspect we're patching him up and getting him on the pitch because we know how important he is. There's no hamstring tweak. His thigh keeps cramping and mentally he isn't tough enough to play on. When has he ever attempted to run it off? The answer you're looking for is "not once". Meanwhile bardsley played with s groin injury, went through the pain barrier and played 90 minutes. As for Arnie he put 7 crosses over in 20 minutes (many of them shit crosses), he ran one ball out of play and had a lousy scuffed shot. From Moses I recall 2 shots, several lousy corners, a dive and barely a cross worthy of the name. One is exonerated. One is slaughtered. Its the same whenever we lose. The complete and utter shit that gets posted is ludicrous yet the real culprits escape free. One prick even said assaidi wad the right sub because Arnie only ever cuts inside. You couldn't make shit like that up. The fact we had 1 chance in those last 20 minutes had more to do with the hapless crouch and lumbering Adam than it did to Arnie who at least tried to make things happen. You're suggesting you know the man's body better than he does Dave. It's totally baseless. You can put over 100 crosses, if they're wank then they don't carry a threat do they? Moses had two of our best chances, continually beat his man and got into the box and won numerous set pieces. His attitude is absolutely questionable at times but even below his best he causes problems. Arnie did try to make things happen and I thought he did ok overall. He certainly wasn't the reason we lost. But that doesn't mean he offered more of a threat. I thought Assaidi was the right sub too, not for that reason but because we needed pace and directness in the front line.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 13:33:50 GMT
There's no hamstring tweak. His thigh keeps cramping and mentally he isn't tough enough to play on. When has he ever attempted to run it off? The answer you're looking for is "not once". Meanwhile bardsley played with s groin injury, went through the pain barrier and played 90 minutes. As for Arnie he put 7 crosses over in 20 minutes (many of them shit crosses), he ran one ball out of play and had a lousy scuffed shot. From Moses I recall 2 shots, several lousy corners, a dive and barely a cross worthy of the name. One is exonerated. One is slaughtered. Its the same whenever we lose. The complete and utter shit that gets posted is ludicrous yet the real culprits escape free. One prick even said assaidi wad the right sub because Arnie only ever cuts inside. You couldn't make shit like that up. The fact we had 1 chance in those last 20 minutes had more to do with the hapless crouch and lumbering Adam than it did to Arnie who at least tried to make things happen. You're suggesting you know the man's body better than he does Dave. It's totally baseless. You can put over 100 crosses, if they're wank then they don't carry a threat do they? Moses had two of our best chances, continually beat his man and got into the box and won numerous set pieces. His attitude is absolutely questionable at times but even below his best he causes problems. Arnie did try to make things happen and I thought he did ok overall. He certainly wasn't the reason we lost. But that doesn't mean he offered more of a threat. I thought Assaidi was the right sub too, not for that reason but because we needed pace and directness in the front line. I must have missed those in the same way you missed Arnie's contribution. Both of them caused problems and both if them continually wasted good situations. Kightly had better delivery than them both and we know how toss he is
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Post by jarhead on Nov 23, 2014 13:41:52 GMT
....................Tommy
........Phil Ryan Wilson Erik
...........Nzonzi.....sidwell... .....................Bojan Walters ..........................Moses .....................Akinbiyi
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Post by 2004 on Nov 23, 2014 14:11:22 GMT
Butland
Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Erik
Whelan N'Zonzi
Walters Bojan Moses
Diouf
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 23, 2014 14:20:28 GMT
You're suggesting you know the man's body better than he does Dave. It's totally baseless. You can put over 100 crosses, if they're wank then they don't carry a threat do they? Moses had two of our best chances, continually beat his man and got into the box and won numerous set pieces. His attitude is absolutely questionable at times but even below his best he causes problems. Arnie did try to make things happen and I thought he did ok overall. He certainly wasn't the reason we lost. But that doesn't mean he offered more of a threat. I thought Assaidi was the right sub too, not for that reason but because we needed pace and directness in the front line. I must have missed those in the same way you missed Arnie's contribution. Both of them caused problems and both if them continually wasted good situations. Kightly had better delivery than them both and we know how toss he is I didn't miss Arnie's contribution mate. I thought he did some good stuff in terms of movement and interplay with Muniesa and Bojan. I just don't see hitting loads of shit crosses in as constituting a threat.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 23, 2014 14:29:50 GMT
I must have missed those in the same way you missed Arnie's contribution. Both of them caused problems and both if them continually wasted good situations. Kightly had better delivery than them both and we know how toss he is I didn't miss Arnie's contribution mate. I thought he did some good stuff in terms of movement and interplay with Muniesa and Bojan. I just don't see hitting loads of shit crosses in as constituting a threat. He was a threat to the linesman on the JSL side tbh. Agree with that though Rob. I did think his performance was encouraging though.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 23, 2014 15:13:16 GMT
After watching the Palace game today - Liverpool are utter shit. There's a reason why they're below us.
Very winnable.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 15:42:48 GMT
I must have missed those in the same way you missed Arnie's contribution. Both of them caused problems and both if them continually wasted good situations. Kightly had better delivery than them both and we know how toss he is I didn't miss Arnie's contribution mate. I thought he did some good stuff in terms of movement and interplay with Muniesa and Bojan. I just don't see hitting loads of shit crosses in as constituting a threat. Unless of course its Moses or Ousama "blind alley" assaidi because they remain a threat right???
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 23, 2014 15:52:12 GMT
I didn't miss Arnie's contribution mate. I thought he did some good stuff in terms of movement and interplay with Muniesa and Bojan. I just don't see hitting loads of shit crosses in as constituting a threat. Unless of course its Moses or Ousama "blind alley" assaidi because they remain a threat right??? You've lost me now Dave. You seem to be arguing against a point I'm not actually making. I've not said Arnie was shit or even that he was shit yesterday. I just don't agree with your claim that he was miles more of a threat than Moses on the basis of him whacking in a few shit crosses. Moses was causing problems. Assaidi is limited but he's quick and direct and not afraid to shoot. I think that's what we needed yesterday. The changes we made left us devoid of pace and much easier to deal with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:27:35 GMT
After watching the Palace game today - Liverpool are utter shit. There's a reason why they're below us. Very winnable. They're shit you say? Lump on a home win.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 23, 2014 16:40:40 GMT
After watching the Palace game today - Liverpool are utter shit. There's a reason why they're below us. Very winnable. They're shit you say? Lump on a home win. We struggle against shit teams who know they're shit. Liverpool are shit but think they're god's gift. Just the same as Spurs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:41:17 GMT
They're shit you say? Lump on a home win. We struggle against shit teams who know they're shit. Liverpool are shit but think they're god's gift. Just the same as Spurs. Score draw.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 23, 2014 16:45:01 GMT
After watching the Palace game today - Liverpool are utter shit. There's a reason why they're below us. Very winnable. They don't like it up 'em!
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 23, 2014 17:08:55 GMT
I guess Wilson won't be ready yet so my team would be like this:
Bego (needs to sharpen up though!)
Bardsley Shawcross Muniesa Pieters
Walters Sidwell N'Zonzi Moses
Bojan
Diouf
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 17:13:37 GMT
Unless of course its Moses or Ousama "blind alley" assaidi because they remain a threat right??? You've lost me now Dave. You seem to be arguing against a point I'm not actually making. I've not said Arnie was shit or even that he was shit yesterday. I just don't agree with your claim that he was miles more of a threat than Moses on the basis of him whacking in a few shit crosses. Moses was causing problems. Assaidi is limited but he's quick and direct and not afraid to shoot. I think that's what we needed yesterday. The changes we made left us devoid of pace and much easier to deal with. Arnie for Moses was the right change. Crouch and Adam were the wrong changes, crouch especially.
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2014 17:22:36 GMT
Is Assaidi eligible or not?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 23, 2014 17:34:31 GMT
Is Assaidi eligible or not? Not eligable and what a huge loss that will be. He's direct, quick, runs down blind alley's for fun and can't cross a ball for toffee. He will be a big miss given the problems he causes the opposition.
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Post by lordb on Nov 23, 2014 17:41:35 GMT
Is Assaidi eligible or not? Not eligable and what a huge loss that will be. He's direct, quick, runs down blind alley's for fun and can't cross a ball for toffee. He will be a big miss given the problems he causes the opposition. Thought they changed that rule? Moses has been exciting but end product is questionable,fitness is not good and he dives. Arnie.... Tempted to play something completely different next week,can we get Adam and Bojan in the same side? Guess Arnie will play assuming Moses isn't fit.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 23, 2014 18:49:09 GMT
I think you might find mr Ireland features at Anfield especially if Moses doesn't make it , remember where you heard it first
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 23, 2014 19:03:05 GMT
I think it's definitely time to give Muniesa a run of games alongside Ryan and let's see how he does, from what I've seen he's better in the middle than out wide due to his lack of pace.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 21:43:53 GMT
If fit, and if we can recall him back Id go
Butland Bardsley ryan muniesa pieters sidwell nzonzi Bojan Moses walters arnie
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