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Post by scarlet on Nov 23, 2014 10:38:19 GMT
Their time wasting was understandable in the circumstances but the constant feigning of head injuries was inexcusable. Eventually a referee will ignore a genuine serious head injury thinking a player is crying wolf, leading to the risk to a player of brain damage or worse. If this situation ever arises will Shaun Dyche (who instructs his players) or Danny Ings (the worst offender yesterday) feel any remorse or responsibility for their actions. Probably not. The PFA should become involved in educating players to the risk of serious head injuries and their responsibilities towards their fellow professionals, which include not using this as a time wasting tactic.
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Post by miltonstokie on Nov 23, 2014 10:38:35 GMT
There is no nice nice at all they evened up the advantage we has In resources wages experience efc and exposed out fundamental weaknesses of which there see too many to mention . If we had a plan from a set piece other than Ryan taking it if we indicate we had a plan too be we don't We ewe outfought . Out thought ,out scored and espoused by a manager and a team with half out resource and not for the first time and we need to quickly realise we are in a dog fight become yesterday showed we are very poorly equipped to deal with it our bargain basement investment strategy put to the sword yet again . I bet you'd have a party if we get relegated He's an absolute cuntrag. He can't type his posts quick enough when we lose. I'm sure last night as soon as his boyfriend went sleep he tiptoed down stairs with a bog roll and motd on record
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Post by lawrieleslie on Nov 23, 2014 10:39:29 GMT
Just to emphasise how poor this season has been so far.........we have attained the highest points total this season after 12 games with the exception of 09/10 season when we were on 16 after 12 games. Dunner werrit all will be fine and currently we are on target for 50 points. Well nearly anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 10:39:38 GMT
Prestwich Grow up and accept some of us see real reasons for concern and have expressed that view for a while that these games will catch up with us over the next 6 weeks . Its a perfectly reasonable view to hold and articulate if its right we will simply point that out with no joy or resort to insult and hyperbole . I have concerns, but I also have the ability to see the bigger picture and not just come out with sweeping statements like "the next 6 weeks will catch up with us" It's based on nothing other than the fact your glass is always half empty and you're a doom and gloom merchant, and you have the cheek to tell other posters to "man up" when it's you being overly dramatic. We're as capable of getting something at Anfield as we were of losing at home to Burnley, that's just Stoke it's what we do. Hughes has ALWAYS said his teams get better 2nd half of the season, it happened last season so let's see if it happens again. Moyes' Everton used to do it the same as did Ferguson's ManUre teams, it's not a coincidence it's the way the players are conditioned and the training methods they employ. He still doesn't know his best combinations in defence, midfield or attack, but in fairness that has been caused by some bad luck with injuries so far. I still believe we will improve and whilst the inability to break teams down at home worries me, the fact that we look like a real threat on the counter attack with the likes of Diouf, Moses and Bojan in full flow excites me and makes me think we can get results against the bigger teams who won't just park the bus. So chill out a bit, and stop peddling your negativity, thinks are no way as bad as you're trying to make out.
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 23, 2014 10:55:46 GMT
I cant bring myself to congratulate Burnley on winning and watching them helped me understand why we were so despised in our early years in the prem. Yes we wasted time and still do but Burnley took this to a different level.The bizarre number of head injuries and a keeper going down with cramp ffs can only mean that this was a premeditated tactic presumably agreed ny the manager.Feigning injury in my book is just as bad as diving. Its been a bad week for football with the fifa whitewash and the Mackay/Whelan racist double act. Watching Burnley yesterday then on MOTD seeing Moses and Barkley diving Tomkins ridiculously holding his face after someone shoved him in the chest, all this merely underlines that football has lost its moral compass and sense of sportsmanship. I watch lots of other sport in the USA and UK and you dont see this nonsense in any of the major sports. Modern football is squeezing the passion I have for this sport slowly out of me
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 23, 2014 11:53:13 GMT
They deserved to win because of the way they defended, very well organised. I still think they'll get relegated as they won't find the rest of the league as charitable as ourselves, although I'd much rather they stayed up than the likes of QPR and Leicester.
I have no problem at all with their time wasting at goal kicks and throw ins, we've done it plenty of times ourselves and it's down to the referee to stamp that out, if he keeps letting them get away with it they'd be stupid not to do it.
The feigning of head injuries is a completely different matter though. It really is a despicable tactic that's started creeping into the game and I've never seen it used so much in a match as yesterday. The referee is powerless to anything about it as it's too serious a risk to take if he decided to ignore a player because he thought he was faking it. Danny Ings was a complete disgrace yesterday, taking full advantage of a rule that was brought in to protect the players and potentially even save lives.
For me the only way to eradicate this would be to force players who've been treated for head injuries to spend five minutes on the touchline before they're allowed back on again. This serves two important purposes. Firstly it gives the medical staff time to properly assess the player and decide if it's safe for him to continue. Secondly it will act as a deterrent to players like Ings who will think twice about feigning injury if it means his team will have to play the next five minutes with ten men.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:02:32 GMT
No, they were a disgrace. I can cope with getting stuck in, time wasting here and there but they were feigning injuries every 5 minutes to stop play. It was pathetic. Doesn't excuse our performance though Oh give it a rest. They did what they were allowed to get away with. No more or less than we would have done in similar circumstances. Burnley are owrate despite today. I've seen us waste time, and get numerous bookings for it, plus shit loads of extra time added on. What I haven't seen from us though is consistently going down holding our heads like we've just been twatted in the hope of getting players sent off. It was disgusting. Not an excuse for us losing by any stretch of the imagination, but going down like they did suggesting malice and elbows to the faces was a clear attempt to not just waste time, but cheat to get players sent off. They should be as ashamed as Moses should have been for his dive yesterday
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:05:39 GMT
Im grudgingly respectful but simply cannot praise a team who go down under every single challenge 'injured' in order to run the clock down
that was nothing short of cheap and disgraceful
I myself was looking to the stands to see if I could spot any snipers
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Post by wearepremierleague on Nov 23, 2014 12:44:06 GMT
Well done burnley for time wasting from the 20th minute showing what a shit club they are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:56:11 GMT
Well done burnley for time wasting from the 20th minute showing what a shit club they are. Did you go to Anfield in our 1st season in the Premier League, let's not be hypocrites eh?
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Post by BristolMick on Nov 23, 2014 13:05:31 GMT
Well done burnley for time wasting from the 20th minute showing what a shit club they are. You sound like the patronising cocks who support Arsenal after one of our many victories against them. BM
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Post by tazi on Nov 23, 2014 13:10:31 GMT
Whatever rights and wrongs they did, their defending with two banks of four was brilliant. I thought they deserved their win purely on their defensive performance. OS. Spot on. More ways than one to win a football match and they fully deserved their victory. Good luck to them but not at the expense of us.
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Post by RAF on Nov 23, 2014 13:13:46 GMT
Great club, great fans, unlike Wigan they are a proper football club with great tradition - really hope they can make a good go of it. As for Stoke: Not sure what everybody was on about re their first goal, bego could have done better, but just one of those things. Their 2nd goal - woeful defending(not sure woeful really does it justice) Moses dive - made in Chelsea and hopefully that is where he f^cks off soon - an embarrassment to the colours of Stoke So you want one of our best players fucked off back to Chelsea because of a couple of dives? I don't remember you calling for Fuller to be fucked off and he dived with regularity. Ridiculous statement. Burnley- Horrible club, disgusting fans. H
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Post by stokiejoe on Nov 23, 2014 18:12:28 GMT
Didn't like their going down feigning head injuries any more than Moses diving. As for time wasting, it was sensible for them if only to get their breath back.We threw everything at them and they absorbed it. Not happy with the result but not going to complain that they used tactics that we have used before. They did a smash and grab then parked the bus and we didn't have an answer. That is our fault not theirs, I would rather have 10 Burnley's than 1 QPR. Good club and decent fans.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 23, 2014 20:48:08 GMT
There is no nice nice at all they evened up the advantage we has In resources wages experience efc and exposed out fundamental weaknesses of which there see too many to mention . If we had a plan from a set piece other than Ryan taking it if we indicate we had a plan too be we don't We ewe outfought . Out thought ,out scored and espoused by a manager and a team with half out resource and not for the first time and we need to quickly realise we are in a dog fight become yesterday showed we are very poorly equipped to deal with it our bargain basement investment strategy put to the sword yet again . I bet you'd have a party if we get relegated He'd have quite a few guests as well by the look of it.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 24, 2014 3:07:30 GMT
It's not Burnleys job to referee the game. They were time wasting yes but it's Martin Atkinson who has to take control of that. Live and let live. They did alright and I didn't feel their fans were particularly smug at the end, unlike Leicester. I know which one I'd rather see relegated (despite desperately wanting to see them promoted) That's because Lesta fans are right up there at the top of the deluded dickheads league . They think they are massive, should be top half prem as a God given right and shouldn't have to share the same pitch as the likes of us. Burnley fans are similar to us and are ecstatic to be in the top flight but take nothing for granted. Anyway all this criticism of Burnley. A lot of you are sounding like Arsenal fans after we had the audacity to beat them in our first season up. BM Agree Mick. Burnley were infuriating but they weren't there to keep us happy.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 24, 2014 10:41:25 GMT
I would much sooner see a small northern town/city team in the Prem than another London or big city club and good luck to them. But if your not good enough, and on current evidence they aren't, then down you should go.
I can't believe all the media hype since the match. Two dreadful defensive errors by Stoke, resulting in 2 simple tap ins, and the media are full of: can Burnley stay up?, Ings in team of the week, and even being spoken of in terms of playing for England; ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 11:26:30 GMT
They defended well, but the time wasting was abysmal. Good luck to them though.
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Post by Stokie Wan Kenobi on Nov 24, 2014 11:29:43 GMT
Well done Burnley, my second team.
As for the match, the thing that got to me more than anything, is -
'Burnley are where we were 6 yeas ago, and they beat a better (footballing)side'.
That begs the question, have we improved, or just got more expensive?
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Post by redsaturday on Nov 24, 2014 11:37:51 GMT
Well done Burnley, my second team. As for the match, the thing that got to me more than anything, is - 'Burnley are where we were 6 yeas ago, and they beat a better (footballing)side'. That begs the question, have we improved, or just got more expensive? Of course we've got better, at least there's a bit more excitement about going the match now, yes the defending isn't great but at least we play or at least try to play football now.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 24, 2014 11:46:45 GMT
I've never EVER seen a goalie with cramp. Says it all about Burnley's tactics!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 11:50:13 GMT
I've never EVER seen a goalie with cramp. Says it all about Burnley's tactics! He got cramp because of all the fantastic saves at full stretch he pulled off.
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Post by 2004 on Nov 24, 2014 11:51:27 GMT
Yep well done Burnley for being the biggest cheats ever to come to the Brit.
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Post by nott1 on Nov 24, 2014 11:54:32 GMT
I've never EVER seen a goalie with cramp. Says it all about Burnley's tactics! He got cramp because of all the fantastic saves at full stretch he pulled off. We only had about 4 shots on target!
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Nov 24, 2014 11:59:09 GMT
It is what it is. When you're fighting to survive you'll try it on, of course you will.
Ref's fault for doing nothing to try and cut it out.
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Post by Vestan Pance on Nov 24, 2014 13:19:55 GMT
Firstly, i have no issue with Burnley FC or their fans, who are a level headed, sensible and likeable bunch, bit like we used to be.
However I refuse to congratulate that performance, other than it's defensive qualities. They were, for 70 minutes, and embarrassment as a group. We used to cling like grim death to points when we came up, but some of their tactics were way against the grain on Saturday. A goalkeeper going down with cramp, several players going down holding their heads when they weren't touched and the cherry on the cake was us kicking the ball out for one of their players, only for them to kick the ball into our corner for a throw and then contesting it.
Great club, fine tradition and good support. Their team can all fuck off however. Cheating set of arseholes.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 24, 2014 17:03:49 GMT
Im grudgingly respectful but simply cannot praise a team who go down under every single challenge 'injured' in order to run the clock down that was nothing short of cheap and disgraceful I myself was looking to the stands to see if I could spot any snipers As I've already said, it's the referees job to stop that, or add on more time. We saw 8 minutes at the Arse game. Burnley didn't deserve to win, but there are a few games from that first season that we didn't. They came, they scored 2 goals, and they defended for their lives. If that had been us a few years ago, we'd have been proud. We need to look at our own failings before really having a go at them.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 24, 2014 17:08:49 GMT
Firstly, i have no issue with Burnley FC or their fans, who are a level headed, sensible and likeable bunch, bit like we used to be. However I refuse to congratulate that performance, other than it's defensive qualities. They were, for 70 minutes, and embarrassment as a group. We used to cling like grim death to points when we came up, but some of their tactics were way against the grain on Saturday. A goalkeeper going down with cramp, several players going down holding their heads when they weren't touched and the cherry on the cake was us kicking the ball out for one of their players, only for them to kick the ball into our corner for a throw and then contesting it. Great club, fine tradition and good support. Their team can all fuck off however. Cheating set of arseholes. The only moment that left a sour taste was the keeper with cramp. Never seen a keeper with cramp. Very poor.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 17:44:31 GMT
Very expensive side we are not!
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 24, 2014 17:48:42 GMT
Fuck burnley.
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