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Post by owdestokie on Nov 22, 2014 23:33:07 GMT
7. Right starting team under the circumstances. Loses 1 point for bringing on Crouch, 1 point for taking off Sidwell for Adam and 1 for leaving Walters on the pitch given the match circumstances and how the game was shaping up (even allowing for the fact that he scored a goal). You really are a wind up merchant of the highest order
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Post by tazi on Nov 23, 2014 0:06:41 GMT
What a comeback. Much better than the 0 I gave. It wasn't a comeback, it was a statement. Google the difference you will be amazed. H Whatever it was it was shit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 9:57:11 GMT
Big fat zero out of ten.
I know obviously in the wider context Hughes is doing a good job. He hasnt had much money to spend. But there are basic things he is getting wrong. We are doing shit on set pieces. It seems like we do no work on them and there was an embarrassing moment when no one wanted to take a corner.
We look disorganised defensively and inflexible tactically. We do not change our approach against teams that come and sit deep etc.
Three defeats at home against three of the four worst teams in the league is shockingly bad. Really gutted. The coming games will leave us in some trouble. I wouldn't back us in any games against the bottom teams we loom so fragile
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Post by slpmarc on Nov 23, 2014 11:13:22 GMT
5 - My argument with Mr HUghes is 14 corners zero threat. A manager earns his corn with what goes on during the week and today suggested that precious little happened regarding taking advantage of the opportunities we were likely to get against a team like Burnley. Wasn't thrilled with the 'throwing the defence together' remark either. There was enough time to plan for this. How he only has two fit defenders at the club till Geoff returned Friday morning, and Bardsley had not trained till Friday and that was with the physio. So he had not put that back 4 together till Saturday morning
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Post by skelman on Nov 23, 2014 11:14:58 GMT
A 3 game touchline ban needed to give Hughes another perspective ......
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Post by rawli on Nov 23, 2014 11:20:53 GMT
4 - needs to figure out what teams around us are going to do and counteract it. They will be in our faces for the first 30 mins and we are not good enough to pass around this. Then, if they take a lead, they will park the bus. We are still unable to break down a 10 man defence. He's had 3 goes at this now this season and has failed every time.
Should have brought Adam on earlier.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 23, 2014 11:32:04 GMT
5/10 for me - Arnie was the wrong choice and should have put Assaidi on, Charlie was also a bit too late. I also worry about Hughes' motivational capability - when we got back to 2-1 I was predicting a 4-2 (seriously!) but we came out 2nd half without that killer instinct or sense or urgency that I thought we would have had - almost a "we're too cool" attitude - believing it will all come right in the end (as I did!)- I know we had massive possession but we just failed to graspthe nettle - maybe that's it, a lack of ownership onthe pitch. Need to see more balls-out (controlled) anger and desire from some of our players.
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Post by stokiedan17 on Nov 23, 2014 11:32:58 GMT
8/10. I can't see any of yesterday being his fault at all. The blame lays solely at the players feet he's set up as he should've done. Sparky puts his plan out the players have to implement it and they didn't at the start so it's there fault. Arnie seemed like the right sub something to prove and good international performances in the week. Crouch as we are chasing the game and we wanted ever potential point if attack. My only criticism is Charlie not coming on earlier. Burnley were up for a battle and that's exactly what Charlie would've given them. Although I can't say who I would've taken off cause we were playing well and pressuring all the time.
I can't see anything wrong with what Hughes has done. He can't go and put the ball in the net himself.we made the chances again. Just didn't finish them
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Post by jarhead on Nov 23, 2014 12:18:21 GMT
5
The team that was fit enough to play I would of picked so can't complain But how many times are we going to turn up Half arsed and fuck up all the great work at Spurs that we did to put in a joke performance and comedy defending against that shit.
Wake up stoke that's 3 pitiful defeats at home already against shite!
Sort it HUGHES
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Post by upthefud on Nov 23, 2014 12:20:08 GMT
4 - the team was what many of us would have started with
Does he tell the players to start like we're 3-0 up? We need to dictate the tempo from the start.
Set pieces shite. Organisation shite. Bringing Arnie on shite.
Failure to sign another quick/powerful striker in the summer is coming back to bite.
Without Moses were cannon fodder.
Pugsley you say the owner has stopped spending: you try paying Adam, Whelan, Palacios, Cameron, N'Zonzi and Sidwell for two spots
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 23, 2014 13:48:02 GMT
Surprised my score was one of the lowest honestly - but having slept on it I'm still feeling the same, I love Sparky but performances like that, basic failure to keep tight and kill off, really do lie at the manager's door for me. I'll stick with my 3.
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Post by ukcstokie on Nov 23, 2014 14:23:10 GMT
I really don't understand why people are putting down our defensive problems yesterday down to Hughes? We've had 2 defenders available for training this week. TWO. Just HTF is he suppose to put out a well drilled defence in those circumstances?
It was the best team he could field.
The subs were pretty much spot on (only with hindsight would some have not put Arnie on).
We had 25 shots. And it was Hughes's fault that we didn't convert more of them?
The biggest problem for me is the poor corners.
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Post by capto on Nov 23, 2014 16:00:09 GMT
One blip I can understand, but three blips in three months at home is a worrying fact for me; at the mo' I don't think the mgr or the players are up to it (the away wins flatter our season so far); kin tippy tappy is ok but when the minutes are ticking by and we're losing at home we need a plan b & if it's crouch who's on, it's a diagonal hoof ball & try and feed off the secondary/knock down. There is so much wrong with us: our lack of tempo; our lack of movement to give options for the player with the ball; conceding goals almost every match; not making or scoring goals; and the players aren't all bad, they just don't dominate a game collectively ( BTW, noticed hippo had nice new red boots on, I can only assume that Diouf had put the old ones on?). For me after, soton and Sunderland away & dire performances, it was Hughes out, after spurs, had to admit I was wrong, but now . . .
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 23, 2014 16:21:25 GMT
This has to be my lowest rating to date: 4. 2 for picking what was probably the best available team to him and 2 for getting Bojan playing well.
But -2 for the consistent inability to find a way to break down massed defences. Only 4 shots on target; this cannot be allowed to continue.
-2 for consistent inability to threaten to score from set pieces. None achieved so far this season; this cannot be allowed to continue.
-1 for a very poor substitution in Arni, would have been -2 but I accept he looked to be recovering form for Austria.
-1 for poor defensive play ; could have been -2 but I grant there were injury problems disrupting the usual combination.
I am making allowances that some of the Stoke players were clearly suffering "hang-overs" from their international duties/travelling.
Probably Stoke's second worst performance this season after the opening match against Villa.
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 23, 2014 16:41:57 GMT
FUCKING ClUELESS
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 23, 2014 16:43:33 GMT
Should we have pulis for the home games and sparky for the away games
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 16:48:52 GMT
7/10.
Once the players cross the white line, you can't actually do their jobs for them.
Set-pieces were disappointing again and it's obvious that we don't prioritise them any more.
Subs-wise, he couldn't have banked on Diouf being completely rubbish, and by the time Crouch was ready we needed a 'plan B' anyway.
Arnie was the right choice over Assaidi (and I can't see why we bothered 'pursuing' him for as long as we did).
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Post by ringolevio on Nov 23, 2014 20:52:40 GMT
I predicted this loss all week. 5* Odenwingie loss - imagine Chelsea without Costa. BUT we did not start the game taking Burnley by the neck - so they scored two goals in 90 seconds and were 2 goals to the good by 13 minutes in. So the crowd were silenced - do we blame the Burnley toss? Or bad defending, lackadaisical midfield and poor finishing? ( Don't mention the set pieces!) We cannot blame Atkinson. Concede two goals before the first fifteen minutes of any game leaves an uphill battle Liverpool 3 Stoke 5! This is our season...
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Post by 2004 on Nov 23, 2014 20:55:54 GMT
4*
Very dissapointing
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 23, 2014 20:58:54 GMT
1 for playing Bojan Otherwise, hasn't got a clue. For the first time, I lost count of the people saying he should be sacked, walking away from the ground. I must say, I have to agree Losing at home is alienating the fans, the lack of passion is going into the stands. Going downhill fast Bloody hell you're back!! I've missed you these past 10 months.
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Post by mcf on Nov 24, 2014 8:16:15 GMT
His worst day at the office by at home by a mile. Clearly hasn't a clue against park the bus sides. 4 Name me a team without £30million pound footballers who find it easy to break down a 10 man defence? even those teams struggle
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 8:52:59 GMT
7. Right starting team under the circumstances. Loses 1 point for bringing on Crouch, 1 point for taking off Sidwell for Adam and 1 for leaving Walters on the pitch given the match circumstances and how the game was shaping up (even allowing for the fact that he scored a goal). You really are a wind up merchant of the highest order If you want a debate then lets have one, but you'll have to tell me where you disagree for a starting point...?
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Post by owdestokie on Nov 24, 2014 9:38:47 GMT
You really are a wind up merchant of the highest order If you want a debate then lets have one, but you'll have to tell me where you disagree for a starting point...? Your continual sniping at one particular player
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 9:57:48 GMT
If you want a debate then lets have one, but you'll have to tell me where you disagree for a starting point...? Your continual sniping at one particular player Thought he was no worse than the others but thought the team needed a different dynamic against a back 8/10. I've pretty much said that on another thread. Still, you read what you want to.
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Post by pez75 on Nov 24, 2014 9:59:17 GMT
7 for me. I don't blame him for a lot of what happened. His subs were right at the time (with the possible exception of replacing Sidwell who was having a good game, but I assume it was tactical).
He started with the same winning team except for a couple of forced changes at the back - surely no-one can argue with that?
We started brightly enough but were caught out with two shocking bits of defending in quick succession - again difficult to blame Hughes.
We got back into it, mainly due to the excellent Bojan, but were facing a resolute side determined to defend (& cheat) to the last - a bit like us at Man City (apart from cheating). We have to accept that the better we become in this league, the more this will happen at our home games.
Moses had to come off through injury but was wank anyway - Arnie or Assaidi could replace him, no problem with either.
Diouf has a fucking awful first touch so nothing was sticking up top - who do you call? Crouch. No brainer, esp. as we more likely to get 'rustic' in our attempts to break them down.
More than happy with Adam coming on as he is always positive going forward - just not sure if it should have been Walters who came off at that stage in the game.
My only real gripe was that as they were defending on the goal line, the inverted winger tactic was pointless. Arnie & Adam should have switched as they were both putting (poor) crosses in with their weaker feet.
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 24, 2014 10:48:40 GMT
Your continual sniping at one particular player Thought he was no worse than the others but thought the team needed a different dynamic against a back 8/10. I've pretty much said that on another thread. Still, you read what you want to. I think he's saying, criticise who you want as long as it's not Jon, they were all shit apart from Jon, they should all learn from Jon and if they don't they should all be fucked off (as long as we have jon).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2014 10:50:58 GMT
Cameron should've started right back. Muni should've started at centre half. Bardsley left back.
Assaidi should've come on instead of Arnie.
4 out of 10.
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Post by bazzaboy666 on Nov 24, 2014 10:59:35 GMT
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 24, 2014 11:06:58 GMT
It was possibly the manager's poorest game. Eveytone knew how Burnley would set up and seemingly he learn't absolutely nothing from villa and leicester at home it was deja vu. Diouf if he started at all should have been subbed earlier he was woeful. His only mitigation was his lack of option at the back. But he still got the positions wrong,Muniesa after an impressive game alongside Ryan at Spurs doesn't continue and he pitched in another partner for Ryan, I thought most people accept that you swap cd partnerships only if you have to...so why? Bad bad day Sparky,sort it...quickly 3
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Post by pez75 on Nov 24, 2014 11:57:17 GMT
It was possibly the manager's poorest game. Eveytone knew how Burnley would set up and seemingly he learn't absolutely nothing from villa and leicester at home it was deja vu. Diouf if he started at all should have been subbed earlier he was woeful. His only mitigation was his lack of option at the back. But he still got the positions wrong,Muniesa after an impressive game alongside Ryan at Spurs doesn't continue and he pitched in another partner for Ryan, I thought most people accept that you swap cd partnerships only if you have to...so why? Bad bad day Sparky,sort it...quickly 3 That is harsh. Diouf was shit, but he has been in good form and scoring goals - why would he drop him & change a winning team? Hindsight is a wonderful thing - Moses was also shit, should he have dropped him although he has been our best attacking outlet this season? As for the defence, it was always going to be difficult to juggle, but common sense suggests he went the best way possible. Cameron has experience at CH, Muniesa is left footed and has deputised at left back before with no issues. As for not learning from Villa/Leicester - what should he have done differently?
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