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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:49:08 GMT
Your still missing the main reason for them to have the ball in our half, and their cross and the fact our RB was at the half-way line "out of position" as you say, weekly. Typical hypocrite. But blame Geoff for having two men by himself in the box. Your missing the plot, no sense in even debating with someone who only see's the final third. Im not used to seeing a RB out of position though Blimey, you only needed to miss it with your "specsavers" once or what was it twice today? It was a quick two minutes mind you. I'll give you that
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:50:10 GMT
Im not used to seeing a RB out of position though Blimey, you only needed to miss it with your "specsavers" once or what was it twice today? It was a quick two minutes mind you. I'll give you that I meant before today
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:52:03 GMT
Blimey, you only needed to miss it with your "specsavers" once or what was it twice today? It was a quick two minutes mind you. I'll give you that I meant before today You mean at spurs? When our RB was excellent? But your getting off topic and "out of position." Just like our Fullbacks today first 20 minutes mind you.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2014 17:54:16 GMT
Are we still saying the defence isn't a problem, just out of interest like?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:55:31 GMT
I meant before today You mean at spurs? When our RB was excellent? But your getting off topic and "out of position." Just like our Fullbacks today first 20 minutes mind you. Read Dozinthesenetees post it might help you to understand 'Soccer; :)_
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Post by ianstokie on Nov 22, 2014 17:55:52 GMT
How many people wanted Wilson replaced with Cameron? Not that many. To be fair, it was left and right backs that conceded possession and let Burnley through. Overall I think losing both Pieters and Wilson disrupted the back 4. AND it really was the lack of goals that undid us today, not just conceding 2 softies.
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Post by fca47 on Nov 22, 2014 17:56:31 GMT
If anyone, Shawcross was at fault for the second, let the man pull the ball down and cross, when it looked like he could have got to the ball first.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 17:57:03 GMT
Is there anyone left who thinks that the defence isn't the problem? Arnie was fine. He grew into the game and put in three terrific crosses, which is three more than Moses managed. The willingness of our supporters to get on his back is shocking. You are kidding ! Arnies crosses were all over hit. He looks like a player who'd rather be somewhere else. On one occasion he passed the ball 10 yards then just stood and watched while the move developed rather than get into a position where he could influence the game
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 17:57:55 GMT
You mean at spurs? When our RB was excellent? But your getting off topic and "out of position." Just like our Fullbacks today first 20 minutes mind you. Read Dozinthesenetees post it might help you to understand 'Soccer; :)_ Maybe you should read this ^ by ian stokie and take off your utterly biased specsavers. Just a little?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2014 18:07:47 GMT
Are we still saying the defence isn't a problem, just out of interest like? As I might have been saying, neither Cameron or Wilson are good enough for centre back cover.
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 22, 2014 18:11:19 GMT
We replaced a poor CB with another poor CB today!
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:13:41 GMT
Are we still saying the defence isn't a problem, just out of interest like? As I might have been saying, neither Cameron or Wilson are good enough for centre back cover. Can't argue with that, but the fullbacks were even worse!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2014 18:17:30 GMT
As I might have been saying, neither Cameron or Wilson are good enough for centre back cover. Can't argue with that, but the fullbacks were even worse! They were. Cameron was awful though but it doesn't Wilson is some kind of defensive God (I aren't saying you're saying this, it's aimed at WD). Both are awful centre halves. Both have been awful this season. One needs selling, one needs to be benched. But we knew that anyway....
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2014 18:18:16 GMT
Muniesa should have played centre half today.
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Post by thehoof on Nov 22, 2014 18:18:10 GMT
Sorry FCA, there's only one person to blame for the second goal, and that was the full back Bardsley. Sold himself and did not get back.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:20:25 GMT
Muniesa should have played centre half today. I thought so too. He's much more composed at CB.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:22:42 GMT
Can't argue with that, but the fullbacks were even worse! They were. Cameron was awful though but it doesn't Wilson is some kind of defensive God (I aren't saying you're saying this, it's aimed at WD). Both are awful centre halves. Both have been awful this season. One needs selling, one needs to be benched. But we knew that anyway.... I agree. I'd keep Geoff for his usefulness at RB and the Midfield and Wilson as well for a utility player. I'd look to drop deadwood for a natural CB in Jan if I where manager but that's me.
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Post by Bowyer83 on Nov 22, 2014 18:25:58 GMT
Muniesa should have played centre half today. I said that before the game today. As its being said throughout the board we need another centre back in the January window.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 22, 2014 18:29:05 GMT
Muniesa should have played centre half today. Who should have played left back? We're just all out of players. To be honest, I wouldn't give any one of the defenders greater than 4/10 today. Not one of them gets any credit whatsoever for those first two goals, no excuses.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2014 18:30:45 GMT
Muniesa should have played centre half today. Who should have played left back? We're just all out of players. To be honest, I wouldn't give any one of the defenders greater than 4/10 today. Not one of them gets any credit whatsoever for those first two goals, no excuses. Bardsley.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:36:35 GMT
Who should have played left back? We're just all out of players. To be honest, I wouldn't give any one of the defenders greater than 4/10 today. Not one of them gets any credit whatsoever for those first two goals, no excuses. Bardsley. Is he a good leftback??
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2014 18:37:07 GMT
Played there a lot for Sunderland last season and did pretty well.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 22, 2014 18:39:43 GMT
Played there a lot for Sunderland last season and did pretty well. Well with that bit of info... I'd of had him there at LB and Muni inside with Geoff out right. Hindsight.
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 22, 2014 18:49:58 GMT
Who should have played left back? We're just all out of players. To be honest, I wouldn't give any one of the defenders greater than 4/10 today. Not one of them gets any credit whatsoever for those first two goals, no excuses. Bardsley. Can he play there? He's completely right footed, isn't he? I can't help but think that if that had happened, the only difference would be that there would be posts on here lamenting that Hughes had put square pegs in round holes. That's complete speculation, but this is all just shuffling around the deckchairs on the Titanic. We still would have come out with our players falling over because their studs weren't long enough and would still have kicked simple three yard passes out of play. Cameron at right back wouldn't have been any better than Bardsley at stopping Kightly advancing down the flank and Shawcross would still have been wandering around in the opposition half for the second goal.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 22, 2014 18:51:51 GMT
Can he play there? He's completely right footed, isn't he? I can't help but think that if that had happened, the only difference would be that there would be posts on here lamenting that Hughes had put square pegs in round holes. That's complete speculation, but this is all just shuffling around the deckchairs on the Titanic. We still would have come out with our players falling over because their studs weren't long enough and would still have kicked simple three yard passes out of play. Cameron at right back wouldn't have been any better than Bardsley at stopping Kightly advancing down the flank and Shawcross would still have been wandering around in the opposition half for the second goal. He played there frequently last season. Scored a winner at Man City from that position I'm pretty sure?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2014 18:51:51 GMT
He's played there quite a lot for Sunderland.
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Post by adi on Nov 22, 2014 18:56:58 GMT
As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for. The back 4 was all over the place in his absence. Hopefully some of that nonsense is now put to bed. On a separate note, Arnie was shockingly poor today. Something not quite right there. We've all seen he's much much better than that. No points at home again. This is the story of our season. Does his absence prove his worth tho? He has made a hatfull of mistakes and I think we were shit full stop.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 18:59:20 GMT
Muniesa got mullered at left back.
Bardsley was no Cameron at right back.
And we missed Wilson.
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Post by mrpickles on Nov 22, 2014 19:01:20 GMT
Happy that Wilson didn't start at centre back?
Yes
Happy with who replaced him?
No
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 22, 2014 19:01:48 GMT
We missed Wilson in a sense of "oooh I've got TB, I wish I had pneumonia". But that's how I judge the pair of them anyway at centre half. And like Rob has said, I thought the defence wasn't an issue?
Both aren't good enough to be regular Premier League centre halves. One needs to be sold. One needs to be benched. This hasn't changed from last May.
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