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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:51:53 GMT
Biased in the fact I was one of the only ones on here to say he'd have a massive part of our team eventually, when you sir said he's a league one player at best and alluded to never starting for stoke. Then yes I am biased. But you didn't see Walter's let in that cross or Pieters go missing either the other day, but you have to post made up accusations in a match thread about said player. Pathetic. I was eluding to the gatekeeper being unholy biased and quietly ironic to another center half at stoke getting the same treatment last season standing in at RB. But here you are going to make more un-factual posts this week? We are talking about CB's are we not? What does Muniesa have to do with it aswell I wonder? Please stop lieing about what I said. I have NEVER said he would not start for Stoke. I do think that his level is Championship yes, He was out of position for the Spurs goal, dragged in to the middle at the edge of the penalty area. Watch it again and you will see this. You're right you alluded over many posts but that's not the point now. You were wrong. It's called marking, He was with his man. Stride for stride. "Out of position" unlike Eric Pieters. Try again.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:54:51 GMT
The same Cameron who was in position more than our LB last week then yes sir. No, the one that was so far out of position Bojan had to cover for him. You're just making stuff up now, look at the heat maps from opta. Cameron was in position more than Bardsley in his short stint and Pieters who was more out of position but got very little stick.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 20:55:32 GMT
Please stop lieing about what I said. I have NEVER said he would not start for Stoke. I do think that his level is Championship yes, He was out of position for the Spurs goal, dragged in to the middle at the edge of the penalty area. Watch it again and you will see this. You're right you alluded over many posts but that's not the point now. You were wrong. It's called marking, He was with his man. Stride for stride. "Out of position" unlike Eric Pieters. Try again. He was out of position, hes a 29 year old footballer who has played 30 times in his career for America. Is that the number of times an exceptional player would turn out for his country?
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 20:56:18 GMT
No, the one that was so far out of position Bojan had to cover for him. You're just making stuff up now, look at the heat maps from opta. Cameron was in position more than Bardsley in his short stint and Pieters who was more out of position but got very little stick. Heat maps don't tell you where the player should have been do they?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 20:58:02 GMT
Jonno he played in all the cup games which bit of that is idiotic The fact that he didn't play any of them at left back until our 3 regular left-backs were considered "surplus to requirements" maybe? He's a utility player who would always feature in Cup games against lower league opposition because generally, he won't be able to hold down a regular slot in any starting 11.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 16, 2014 20:58:09 GMT
Jonno
Try these he started 5 games in the FA cup that year and played 489 minutes which bit of those facts do you struggle with
Or
He has played 126 times foe Stoke in one of our most successful periods ever
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:58:36 GMT
No, the one that was so far out of position Bojan had to cover for him. You're just making stuff up now, look at the heat maps from opta. Cameron was in position more than Bardsley in his short stint and Pieters who was more out of position but got very little stick. I'm not making stuff up, I watched the game and commented at the time that Bojan should not have been having to cover Cameron, also there is no way you can compare Cameron and Bardsley from that game, Bardsley was hardly on the pitch.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 16, 2014 20:59:40 GMT
Jonno Try these he started 5 games in the FA cup that year and played 489 minutes which bit of those facts do you struggle with Or He has played 126 times foe Stoke in one of our most successful periods ever I don't recall you rejoicing in this 'successful period' at the time. I recall you whining your scrotum off ad nauseum.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 16, 2014 21:00:10 GMT
Played against lower league teams 126 times lucky boy
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:01:13 GMT
You're right you alluded over many posts but that's not the point now. You were wrong. It's called marking, He was with his man. Stride for stride. "Out of position" unlike Eric Pieters. Try again. He was out of position, hes a 29 year old footballer who has played 30 times in his career for America. Is that the number of times an exceptional player would turn out for his country? You're getting off point but seeing as he was on par with Bardsley last season statistically as a "non natural RB" versus some who is and (who has started how many times for scotland?) and started most of the season in a side who finished 9th in the PL last season and by your own admission was a league one player at best... I wouldn't take your advice in deciding by international form.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:02:15 GMT
You're just making stuff up now, look at the heat maps from opta. Cameron was in position more than Bardsley in his short stint and Pieters who was more out of position but got very little stick. Heat maps don't tell you where the player should have been do they? They can tell you alot, especially with goal overlaps... You can see pieters out of position for their goal.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 16, 2014 21:02:43 GMT
Chief
You need a bit of help with your biology my love, whining does not require the scrotum
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:04:10 GMT
You're just making stuff up now, look at the heat maps from opta. Cameron was in position more than Bardsley in his short stint and Pieters who was more out of position but got very little stick. I'm not making stuff up, I watched the game and commented at the time that Bojan should not have been having to cover Cameron, also there is no way you can compare Cameron and Bardsley from that game, Bardsley was hardly on the pitch. You can't between them. But you can say were far more attacking away with Bojan, Sidwell, Muniesa and Cameron on the pitch...
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Post by lordb on Nov 16, 2014 21:05:12 GMT
I don't think there is much difference between our defenders bar Ryan.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:07:47 GMT
I don't think there is much difference between our defenders bar Ryan. Ryan is our only CB that has started week, after week that is truly PL quality. There isn't. Hopefully Muniesa can get gametime and learn next to him.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 21:11:32 GMT
Heat maps don't tell you where the player should have been do they? They can tell you alot, especially with goal overlaps... You can see pieters out of position for their goal. Where was Cameron when this cross came over from our right then?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 21:17:15 GMT
They can tell you alot, especially with goal overlaps... You can see pieters out of position for their goal. Where was Cameron when this cross came over from our right then? Cameron is toss as well most of the time but in no way at all can he be blamed for Spurs goal last weekend.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:17:25 GMT
They can tell you alot, especially with goal overlaps... You can see pieters out of position for their goal. Where was Cameron when this cross came over from our right then? Next to his man being dragged inside remember... he passed his man off and Ryan picked him up. Walter's missed the block on the ensuing cross and Pieters was chasing a huddle of spurs instead of marking his man and chadli was waiting... Did you watch the game????
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:18:02 GMT
Where was Cameron when this cross came over from our right then? Cameron is toss as well most of the time but in no way at all can he be blamed for Spurs goal last weekend. Not is some peoples eyes...
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 21:19:19 GMT
Where was Cameron when this cross came over from our right then? Next to his man being dragged inside remember... he passed his man off and Ryan picked him up. Walter's missed the block on the ensuing cross and Pieters was chasing a huddle of spurs instead of marking his man and chadli was waiting... Did you watch the game???? Yes and once his man had gone he should have been making a good effort to get back in position, not remaining in the middle like he did. He followed him to far as well. Pieters was also out of position.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 21:20:50 GMT
Cameron is toss as well most of the time but in no way at all can he be blamed for Spurs goal last weekend. Not is some peoples eyes... I admire your loyalty and dedication to the cause if nothing else USA. You're dedication to Geoff Cameron is close to overtaking Rossi's love and dedication to all things Tuncay!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 21:22:12 GMT
I'm not making stuff up, I watched the game and commented at the time that Bojan should not have been having to cover Cameron, also there is no way you can compare Cameron and Bardsley from that game, Bardsley was hardly on the pitch. You can't between them. But you can say were far more attacking away with Bojan, Sidwell, Muniesa and Cameron on the pitch... we're* And no, you can't say that either, after one game, give it a few more and maybe you can, the problem is you probably won't get the chance, given Cameron clearly isn't our 1st choice rb, also I'm not sure how Muniesa would make us more attacking when playing CB, actually I'm pretty sure it would make no difference, anyway hopefully we'll be signing this high scoring defensive midfielder you keep telling us about, because it clearly won't be Cameron
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 21:22:53 GMT
Where was Cameron when this cross came over from our right then? Cameron is toss as well most of the time but in no way at all can he be blamed for Spurs goal last weekend. I have to agree, the goal was down to poor defending at the back post and Bego.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 21:23:06 GMT
Not is some peoples eyes... I admire your loyalty and dedication to the cause if nothing else USA. You're dedication to Geoff Cameron is close to overtaking Rossi's love and dedication to all things Tuncay! I think its really Cameron
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:23:29 GMT
Next to his man being dragged inside remember... he passed his man off and Ryan picked him up. Walter's missed the block on the ensuing cross and Pieters was chasing a huddle of spurs instead of marking his man and chadli was waiting... Did you watch the game???? Yes and once his man had gone he should have been making a good effort to get back in position, not remaining in the middle like he did. He followed him to far as well. Pieters was also out of position. Ohh yes, making an effort... from 30 yards infront of bego he should be flash gordon to the edge of the byline right next to Walters to block a cross and then zoom over to the LB position to cover pieters man... He was in position and covered a midfielders dink inside behind our midfield as they were getting pulled and dragged to the wings. But yeah... effort.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 21:24:50 GMT
I admire your loyalty and dedication to the cause if nothing else USA. You're dedication to Geoff Cameron is close to overtaking Rossi's love and dedication to all things Tuncay! I think its really Cameron Maybe Rossi was Tuncay as well. Now that would explain a few things!
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 21:27:56 GMT
Yes and once his man had gone he should have been making a good effort to get back in position, not remaining in the middle like he did. He followed him to far as well. Pieters was also out of position. Ohh yes, making an effort... from 30 yards infront of bego he should be flash gordon to the edge of the byline right next to Walters to block a cross and then zoom over to the LB position to cover pieters man... He was in position and covered a midfielders dink inside behind our midfield as they were getting pulled and dragged to the wings. But yeah... effort. Do you right fictional novels? Because I never said that lol.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:29:35 GMT
Not is some peoples eyes... I admire your loyalty and dedication to the cause if nothing else USA. You're dedication to Geoff Cameron is close to overtaking Rossi's love and dedication to all things Tuncay! Well when you're defending players from stupid accusations like chesterfield's last week and ever since the poor guy's first debut from the gatekeeprs of the oatcake you would. He's still here, ala as I have for Muniesa, Arnie and Crouch... But Geoff's special because of the vitriol from the irish brigade... Muniesa is my favorite player anyways ever since he came from Barca and fastly Bojan. Tired of skilled players getting stuck behind cloggers who can't dribble in our side, were getting there.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 21:30:23 GMT
Ohh yes, making an effort... from 30 yards infront of bego he should be flash gordon to the edge of the byline right next to Walters to block a cross and then zoom over to the LB position to cover pieters man... He was in position and covered a midfielders dink inside behind our midfield as they were getting pulled and dragged to the wings. But yeah... effort. Do you right fictional novels? Because I never said that lol. Don't be silly now, you clearly said Cameron should have been covering Pieters, don't go rewriting history, oh wait a min...........
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 21:30:43 GMT
Ohh yes, making an effort... from 30 yards infront of bego he should be flash gordon to the edge of the byline right next to Walters to block a cross and then zoom over to the LB position to cover pieters man... He was in position and covered a midfielders dink inside behind our midfield as they were getting pulled and dragged to the wings. But yeah... effort. Do you right fictional novels? Because I never said that lol. I'll write you a 3 blind mice novel staring you, Boskamps and benji.
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