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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 19:49:16 GMT
The way were scoring goals with Sidwell, Bojan, Cameron, Muniesa, Walters and Diouf in the side the last few weeks I get what DaveJohnno1 is saying. Irrespective of a players injury status, may it long continue. Spurs away mind you, 2-1 Stoke.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 16, 2014 19:52:39 GMT
Marc Wilson was a regular in the team that got us to the cup final for the first tie in our history , a regular in the team Ghana achieved our highest ever premier league position , he has been a exemplary professional , played in a number of positions . People need to take a long hard look in the mirror , he is an integral part of the fifth meanest defence in the league this year, last time we looked vincent Kompany wasn't agitating for a move to stoke grow up and if you must find a player worthy of your bile, one whose professional standards compromise their ability Benjie - you were doing so well until you confused me by bringing Ghana into it! Please explain what Ghana has to do with either Wilson or Muniesa?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 20:17:58 GMT
Why exactly is it pathetic to hope that one player plays over another? So as to avoid incurring your wrath as the moral gatekeeper of this site, I will rephrase. I hope that Wilson has recovered from his hamstring tear sufficently to find himself occupying a position on the bench v Burnley next Saturday. I would like to see Muniesa given a run of games at centre half now because Wilson is a liability, as he was in the opening 20 minutes v Spurs, and Muniesa is a much better player. At some point, we need to find out whether Muniesa can excel in his preferred position at centre half so hopefully that point is now. If he doesn't excel, then hopefully Huth will be fit enough to be considered to be his old self and Wilson will continue to find himself fit enough to occupy a position on the bench. That would be fine, but to hope a player is out injured long term is pathetic, and thats how you've worded it, and definitely doesn't read any other way. Now you're putting words into my fingers. I never mentioned long term did I? 2 games is hardly long term. Either way, fit, injured, short term or long term, Wilson is mediocre at best, in every position he's ever played in for Stoke City and that is being kind to the lad. He's a useful stop gap, no more.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 20:20:21 GMT
Marc Wilson was a regular in the team that got us to the cup final for the first tie in our history , a regular in the team Ghana achieved our highest ever premier league position , he has been a exemplary professional , played in a number of positions . People need to take a long hard look in the mirror , he is an integral part of the fifth meanest defence in the league this year, last time we looked vincent Kompany wasn't agitating for a move to stoke grow up and if you must find a player worthy of your bile, one whose professional standards compromise their ability He's also a regular in a defence that has conceded more goals per shots on target than any other team in the league. He's also a regular in a defence that continues to gift sloppy goals and chances, a facet of our game which had you arguing that we were doomed to a relegation scrap a little over a week ago. You can't have it all ways. EDIT - he wasn't a regular in a team that got us to our first ever cup final either. He finally got into the side just before the semi-final when Higgy sadly got injured in an innocuous collision with an opposition goalkeeper. He was a stop gap who fluked his way into the team courtesy of an injury to a regular and the fall from grace of the previous regular. He wasn't even 3rd choice left back because just a few weeks prior to the West Ham quarter final, Danny Pugh was playing left-back so you could argue that he was 4th choice behind Collins, Higgy and Pugh.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:21:29 GMT
That would be fine, but to hope a player is out injured long term is pathetic, and thats how you've worded it, and definitely doesn't read any other way. Now you're putting words into my fingers. I never mentioned long term did I? 2 games is hardly long term. Either way, fit, injured, short term or long term, Wilson is mediocre at best, in every position he's ever played in for Stoke City and that is being kind to the lad. He's a useful stop gap, no more. It would make it 3/4 weeks, okay I'll give you that, short/mid term then, you still hoped he'd be injured. I disagree, he did very well at left back and has also done well as a CB, some of the criticism he gets is unjustified, made mistakes, yes, responsible for nearly every goal we concede (as some try to make out), no
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:22:16 GMT
That would be fine, but to hope a player is out injured long term is pathetic, and thats how you've worded it, and definitely doesn't read any other way. Now you're putting words into my fingers. I never mentioned long term did I? 2 games is hardly long term. Either way, fit, injured, short term or long term, Wilson is mediocre at best, in every position he's ever played in for Stoke City and that is being kind to the lad. He's a useful stop gap, no more. Bingo
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:22:24 GMT
Marc Wilson was a regular in the team that got us to the cup final for the first tie in our history , a regular in the team Ghana achieved our highest ever premier league position , he has been a exemplary professional , played in a number of positions . People need to take a long hard look in the mirror , he is an integral part of the fifth meanest defence in the league this year, last time we looked vincent Kompany wasn't agitating for a move to stoke grow up and if you must find a player worthy of your bile, one whose professional standards compromise their ability He's also a regular in a defence that has conceded more goals per shots on target than any other team in the league.He's also a regular in a defence that continues to gift sloppy goals and chances, a facet of our game which had you arguing that we were doomed to a relegation scrap a little over a week ago. You can't have it all ways. Is that the defence or the keeper? I'm not trying to diss Bego, but that stat is hardly clear cut. Edit: Also only 3 other teams have conceded less (1 the same).
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:26:47 GMT
Now you're putting words into my fingers. I never mentioned long term did I? 2 games is hardly long term. Either way, fit, injured, short term or long term, Wilson is mediocre at best, in every position he's ever played in for Stoke City and that is being kind to the lad. He's a useful stop gap, no more. It would make it 3/4 weeks, okay I'll give you that, short/mid term then, you still hoped he'd be injured. I disagree, he did very well at left back and has also done well as a CB, some of the criticism he gets is unjustified, made mistakes, yes, responsible for nearly every goal we concede (as some try to make out), no He's just getting the Cameron treatment from members of your ilk ala last season... To say he's a "Natural CB" is laughable. Can't have it both ways Boskamps. Sorry, he's a liability every week he's not a PL quality CB week in week out and that is hardly a unjust criticism of the lad... Let's be honest here. Unjustified, that's a grasp. He's had many mistakes but he still doesn't get accused of goals being conceded from other areas of the park like some of our other players from posters who post in the match thread. Ohh the Irony.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 20:28:01 GMT
Now you're putting words into my fingers. I never mentioned long term did I? 2 games is hardly long term. Either way, fit, injured, short term or long term, Wilson is mediocre at best, in every position he's ever played in for Stoke City and that is being kind to the lad. He's a useful stop gap, no more. It would make it 3/4 weeks, okay I'll give you that, short/mid term then, you still hoped he'd be injured. I disagree, he did very well at left back and has also done well as a CB, some of the criticism he gets is unjustified, made mistakes, yes, responsible for nearly every goal we concede (as some try to make out), no Your opinions as to his merits as a player, at either centre half or left back are yours and your entitled to them. I thought he was a god awful left back, save for the good job he did as a stand-in in the run up to the Cup Final, and he's an even worse centre half. Worse still, in his favoured position, central midfield, he's even worse than he is at left back and centre half. He's a useful utility player but as with all utility players, when they have a sustained run in any one position, they tend to get found out for the stop-gap that they invariably are. Of our regular starting 11, Wilson has been by some distance, the worst player in our team in my opinion.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 20:29:58 GMT
He's also a regular in a defence that has conceded more goals per shots on target than any other team in the league.He's also a regular in a defence that continues to gift sloppy goals and chances, a facet of our game which had you arguing that we were doomed to a relegation scrap a little over a week ago. You can't have it all ways. Is that the defence or the keeper? I'm not trying to diss Bego, but that stat is hardly clear cut. Edit: Also only 3 other teams have conceded less (1 the same). It's a combination of all of them as I alluded to after the West Ham game but Begovic is an exceptionally good goalkeeper who has endured a few dodgy moments. Wilson is an extremely dodgy centre half whose had a few good games. There is a massive difference.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 20:30:36 GMT
It would make it 3/4 weeks, okay I'll give you that, short/mid term then, you still hoped he'd be injured. I disagree, he did very well at left back and has also done well as a CB, some of the criticism he gets is unjustified, made mistakes, yes, responsible for nearly every goal we concede (as some try to make out), no He's just getting the Cameron treatment from members of your ilk ala last season... To say he's a "Natural CB" is laughable. Can't have it both ways Boskamps. Sorry, he's a liability every week he's not a PL quality CB week in week out and that is hardly a unjust criticism of the lad... Let's be honest here. Unjustified, that's a grasp. He's had many mistakes but he still doesn't get accused of goals being conceded from other areas of the park like some of our other players from posters who post in the match thread. Ohh the Irony. What the hell has your hero Cameron got to do with it?
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:33:03 GMT
He's just getting the Cameron treatment from members of your ilk ala last season... To say he's a "Natural CB" is laughable. Can't have it both ways Boskamps. Sorry, he's a liability every week he's not a PL quality CB week in week out and that is hardly a unjust criticism of the lad... Let's be honest here. Unjustified, that's a grasp. He's had many mistakes but he still doesn't get accused of goals being conceded from other areas of the park like some of our other players from posters who post in the match thread. Ohh the Irony. What the hell has your hero Cameron got to do with it? Utility player... Good at all positions, can't hold one down. League one player at best and your poor eyesight week in and week out to name a few.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 20:35:38 GMT
What the hell has your hero Cameron got to do with it? Utility player... Good at all positions, can't hold one down. League one player at best and your poor eyesight week in and week out to name a few. Unlike your biased opinion that he his a world beater? Hes an average utility player at best. Do you ever post without mentioning him?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:36:40 GMT
It would make it 3/4 weeks, okay I'll give you that, short/mid term then, you still hoped he'd be injured. I disagree, he did very well at left back and has also done well as a CB, some of the criticism he gets is unjustified, made mistakes, yes, responsible for nearly every goal we concede (as some try to make out), no He's just getting the Cameron treatment from members of your ilk ala last season... To say he's a "Natural CB" is laughable. Can't have it both ways Boskamps. Sorry, he's a liability every week he's not a PL quality CB week in week out and that is hardly a unjust criticism of the lad... Let's be honest here. Unjustified, that's a grasp. He's had many mistakes but he still doesn't get accused of goals being conceded from other areas of the park like some of our other players from posters who post in the match thread. Ohh the Irony. Are you apologising because you are continually making nonsensical* posts, if so, I accept. * dictionary.reference.com/browse/nonsensical%20?s=t
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 16, 2014 20:38:16 GMT
According to the records Wilson. Played 32 times for Stoke in the cup final year and in every FA cup game amazing how bile can distort history
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:39:52 GMT
Utility player... Good at all positions, can't hold one down. League one player at best and your poor eyesight week in and week out to name a few. Unlike your biased opinion that he his a world beater? Hes an average utility player at best. Do you ever post without mentioning him? Apparently our poor eyesight makes it look like Cameron is constantly out of position, when in actual fact he is always in the right place at the right time, not sure what condition that could be but I'm sure stokemanusa could diagnose us
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 20:41:31 GMT
Unlike your biased opinion that he his a world beater? Hes an average utility player at best. Do you ever post without mentioning him? Apparently our poor eyesight makes it look like Cameron is constantly out of position, when in actual fact he is always in the right place at the right time, not sure what condition that could be but I'm sure stokemanusa could diagnose us Its called 'Cameronitis'
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:42:30 GMT
It would make it 3/4 weeks, okay I'll give you that, short/mid term then, you still hoped he'd be injured. I disagree, he did very well at left back and has also done well as a CB, some of the criticism he gets is unjustified, made mistakes, yes, responsible for nearly every goal we concede (as some try to make out), no Your opinions as to his merits as a player, at either centre half or left back are yours and your entitled to them. I thought he was a god awful left back, save for the good job he did as a stand-in in the run up to the Cup Final, and he's an even worse centre half. Worse still, in his favoured position, central midfield, he's even worse than he is at left back and centre half. He's a useful utility player but as with all utility players, when they have a sustained run in any one position, they tend to get found out for the stop-gap that they invariably are. Of our regular starting 11, Wilson has been by some distance, the worst player in our team in my opinion. I'm still waiting for him to get found out, like most, he makes the odd mistake who doesn't but I wouldn't be worried if he was a main stay in our defence for the rest of the season, if we get someone else to replace him in Jan fair enough, but he doesn't fill me with dread like others do when playing in defence.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:42:51 GMT
Utility player... Good at all positions, can't hold one down. League one player at best and your poor eyesight week in and week out to name a few. Unlike your biased opinion that he his a world beater? Hes an average utility player at best. Do you ever post without mentioning him? Biased in the fact I was one of the only ones on here to say he'd have a massive part of our team eventually, when you sir said he's a league one player at best and alluded to never starting for stoke. Then yes I am biased. But you didn't see Walter's let in that cross or Pieters go missing either the other day, but you have to post made up accusations in a match thread about said player. Pathetic. I was eluding to the gatekeeper being unholy biased and quietly ironic to another center half at stoke getting the same treatment last season standing in at RB. But here you are going to make more un-factual posts this week? We are talking about CB's are we not? What does Muniesa have to do with it aswell I wonder?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 20:43:38 GMT
According to the records Wilson. Played 32 times for Stoke in the cup final year and in every FA cup game amazing how bile can distort history He still wasn't our regular left back was he? How many of those 32 appearances were starts and how many of those 32 appearances were at left back throughout the season? Amazing how you pass off your idiotic statements as facts when in actual fact they are a complete and utter fabrication.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 16, 2014 20:43:51 GMT
League neat best th bloke has played 126 Ganesh for stoke in the premier league helping get them their highest premier league position and the a cup final and into he kart 32 in Europe I'd love to see what a premier league player looks like
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:44:50 GMT
Your opinions as to his merits as a player, at either centre half or left back are yours and your entitled to them. I thought he was a god awful left back, save for the good job he did as a stand-in in the run up to the Cup Final, and he's an even worse centre half. Worse still, in his favoured position, central midfield, he's even worse than he is at left back and centre half. He's a useful utility player but as with all utility players, when they have a sustained run in any one position, they tend to get found out for the stop-gap that they invariably are. Of our regular starting 11, Wilson has been by some distance, the worst player in our team in my opinion. I'm still waiting for him to get found out, like most, he makes the odd mistake who doesn't but I wouldn't be worried if he was a main stay in our defence for the rest of the season, if we get someone else to replace him in Jan fair enough, but he doesn't fill me with dread like others do when playing in defence. Odd mistake... HAHAHA
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:45:27 GMT
League neat best th bloke has played 126 Ganesh for stoke in the premier league helping get them their highest premier league position and the a cup final and into he kart 32 in Europe I'd love to see what a premier league player looks like I hope all that was auto correct
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:46:05 GMT
He's just getting the Cameron treatment from members of your ilk ala last season... To say he's a "Natural CB" is laughable. Can't have it both ways Boskamps. Sorry, he's a liability every week he's not a PL quality CB week in week out and that is hardly a unjust criticism of the lad... Let's be honest here. Unjustified, that's a grasp. He's had many mistakes but he still doesn't get accused of goals being conceded from other areas of the park like some of our other players from posters who post in the match thread. Ohh the Irony. Are you apologising because you are continually making nonsensical* posts, if so, I accept. * dictionary.reference.com/browse/nonsensical%20?s=tYour Ironic stance says it all sir...
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 16, 2014 20:46:13 GMT
League neat best th bloke has played 126 Ganesh for stoke in the premier league helping get them their highest premier league position and the a cup final and into he kart 32 in Europe I'd love to see what a premier league player looks like WTF???? Anyone good at translating bollox???? Gouranga.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 20:46:18 GMT
Your opinions as to his merits as a player, at either centre half or left back are yours and your entitled to them. I thought he was a god awful left back, save for the good job he did as a stand-in in the run up to the Cup Final, and he's an even worse centre half. Worse still, in his favoured position, central midfield, he's even worse than he is at left back and centre half. He's a useful utility player but as with all utility players, when they have a sustained run in any one position, they tend to get found out for the stop-gap that they invariably are. Of our regular starting 11, Wilson has been by some distance, the worst player in our team in my opinion. I'm still waiting for him to get found out, like most, he makes the odd mistake who doesn't but I wouldn't be worried if he was a main stay in our defence for the rest of the season, if we get someone else to replace him in Jan fair enough, but he doesn't fill me with dread like others do when playing in defence. The fact that he consistently makes the same mistakes and gifts the opposition countless soft goals, I think it is fairly safe to assume that he's been found out. The opposition target him, just as they did when he played left back.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 20:47:09 GMT
Unlike your biased opinion that he his a world beater? Hes an average utility player at best. Do you ever post without mentioning him? Apparently our poor eyesight makes it look like Cameron is constantly out of position, when in actual fact he is always in the right place at the right time, not sure what condition that could be but I'm sure stokemanusa could diagnose us The same Cameron who was in position more than our LB last week then yes sir.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Nov 16, 2014 20:47:39 GMT
Unlike your biased opinion that he his a world beater? Hes an average utility player at best. Do you ever post without mentioning him? Biased in the fact I was one of the only ones on here to say he'd have a massive part of our team eventually, when you sir said he's a league one player at best and alluded to never starting for stoke. Then yes I am biased. But you didn't see Walter's let in that cross or Pieters go missing either the other day, but you have to post made up accusations in a match thread about said player. Pathetic. I was eluding to the gatekeeper being unholy biased and quietly ironic to another center half at stoke getting the same treatment last season standing in at RB. But here you are going to make more un-factual posts this week? We are talking about CB's are we not? What does Muniesa have to do with it aswell I wonder? Please stop lieing about what I said. I have NEVER said he would not start for Stoke. I do think that his level is Championship yes, He was out of position for the Spurs goal, dragged in to the middle at the edge of the penalty area. Watch it again and you will see this.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 20:49:58 GMT
Apparently our poor eyesight makes it look like Cameron is constantly out of position, when in actual fact he is always in the right place at the right time, not sure what condition that could be but I'm sure stokemanusa could diagnose us The same Cameron who was in position more than our LB last week then yes sir. No, the one that was so far out of position Bojan had to cover for him.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 16, 2014 20:50:43 GMT
Jonno he played in all the cup games which bit of that is idiotic
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