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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 9:46:38 GMT
Is there any news on his injury?, is he likely to be back for the Burnley game?.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 16, 2014 11:12:32 GMT
Hope not !
Seriously - in the 20 or so minutes he was on against Spurs he was pulled out of position three times all of which could have led to us conceding (the Kane header being the closest they came to scoring other than their goal).
I don't think Muniesa is the answer albeit he did very well when called upon.
Frankly if we could find the money to bring in a proper replacement for Robert Huth (who it seems unlikely will ever return) then I think we could really be a force to be reckoned with.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 11:36:06 GMT
Hope not !Seriously - in the 20 or so minutes he was on against Spurs he was pulled out of position three times all of which could have led to us conceding (the Kane header being the closest they came to scoring other than their goal). I don't think Muniesa is the answer albeit he did very well when called upon. Frankly if we could find the money to bring in a proper replacement for Robert Huth (who it seems unlikely will ever return) then I think we could really be a force to be reckoned with. Great, did you have a party when he got injured
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 11:39:48 GMT
Muniesa earned a spot anyways as far as I'm concerned
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 16, 2014 11:46:37 GMT
Muniesa earned a spot anyways as far as I'm concerned I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 16, 2014 12:03:06 GMT
Muniesa earned a spot anyways as far as I'm concerned I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players. More pace?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 12:25:14 GMT
Muniesa earned a spot anyways as far as I'm concerned I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players. More pace? Wilson? christ alive
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Post by thehoof on Nov 16, 2014 12:53:02 GMT
We all see things differently, but regarding Wilson and pace, I am with webbyyy.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 16, 2014 13:27:00 GMT
To me Wilson looks much pacier and seems to run as fast as necessary whoever he meets. I have no evidence to build a case though, but does anybody really know?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 14:30:02 GMT
Muniesa earned a spot anyways as far as I'm concerned I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players. I disagree with every single aspect of that post. Muniesa is every bit as good in the air if not better. He may not be the biggest but he has a cracking leap and he times the leap to perfection. Wilson is slow and cumbersome and Muniesa is much quicker across the ground. There is no comparison between the two in either speed of foot or speed of mind. Everybody struggles against pacy players. Speed is the biggest danger anyone ever faces. Wilson struggles against slow or fast players so that gives Muniesa the edge there. I hope Wilson is out for the Burnley game and even the Liverpool game. If Muniesa gets a run of games, I'm fairly sure he'll make that spot alongside Ryan his own, assuming Huth is unlikely to return to the Huth of old anytime soon.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 16, 2014 15:07:42 GMT
I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players. I disagree with every single aspect of that post. Muniesa is every bit as good in the air if not better. He may not be the biggest but he has a cracking leap and he times the leap to perfection. Wilson is slow and cumbersome and Muniesa is much quicker across the ground. There is no comparison between the two in either speed of foot or speed of mind. Everybody struggles against pacy players. Speed is the biggest danger anyone ever faces. Wilson struggles against slow or fast players so that gives Muniesa the edge there. I hope Wilson is out for the Burnley game and even the Liverpool game. If Muniesa gets a run of games, I'm fairly sure he'll make that spot alongside Ryan his own, assuming Huth is unlikely to return to the Huth of old anytime soon. I've seen both play at left back and in my mind I would even go for Wilson there! To have a great leap is great, but as a central defender you very often won't get the chance to leap as you might know. It's about standing strong and make sure you get the head to the ball first. I will never trust Muniesa as our main central defender or left back, but it's easy to see he is a decent footballer. In my opinion he has more the tools to play as a defensive midfielder, but I've never seen him in that position though. I think Wilson is very underrated by a lot of our supporters to be honest. We always seem to end up with a scapegoat in our team by the way.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 15:16:34 GMT
To me Wilson looks much pacier and seems to run as fast as necessary whoever he meets. I have no evidence to build a case though, but does anybody really know? I'd say he is quicker out of the two as well, it close maybe but Wilson edges it for me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 15:17:39 GMT
I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players. I disagree with every single aspect of that post. Muniesa is every bit as good in the air if not better. He may not be the biggest but he has a cracking leap and he times the leap to perfection. Wilson is slow and cumbersome and Muniesa is much quicker across the ground. There is no comparison between the two in either speed of foot or speed of mind. Everybody struggles against pacy players. Speed is the biggest danger anyone ever faces. Wilson struggles against slow or fast players so that gives Muniesa the edge there. I hope Wilson is out for the Burnley game and even the Liverpool game. If Muniesa gets a run of games, I'm fairly sure he'll make that spot alongside Ryan his own, assuming Huth is unlikely to return to the Huth of old anytime soon. Pathetic.
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Post by 2004 on Nov 16, 2014 15:27:30 GMT
I really want to see Muniesa given a run in the team at CB
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 15:35:36 GMT
I'm all for free speech but anyone who thinks Wison has any modicum of pace cannot be taken seriously.
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Post by PotterLog on Nov 16, 2014 16:49:04 GMT
I generally defend Wilson because I think the criticism of him gets too much on here, but I'd be in favour of Muni getting a run now to see if he is an upgrade. He certainly has the potential to be.
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Post by Gods on Nov 16, 2014 16:56:29 GMT
I like Wilson.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:30:34 GMT
It's impossible not to like Muniesa. Ultimate professional in every way and he appears to be loving it at the club.
Hopefully he gets a run of games now.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 16, 2014 17:59:37 GMT
I'm all for free speech but anyone who thinks Wison has any modicum of pace cannot be taken seriously. What if tests show you're wrong then?
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 18:52:52 GMT
Muniesa earned a spot anyways as far as I'm concerned I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players. You're joking right... Wilson better in the air than Muniesa... No way in hell. Muniesa can out jump and be more physical and stronger as a CB than Wilson anyday. Wilson get's pushed of the mark from strikers like shane long... Muniesa is still the only stoke CB to beat Andy Carroll for an aerial ball in a 50/50, including Shawcross... Muniesa is also faster than Wilson and a better tackler and can go forward with the ball but most importantly, even though he's younger he marks his man in the final third massively better than Mr. Wilson, who goes day dreaming at the back.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 18:54:49 GMT
I'm all for free speech but anyone who thinks Wison has any modicum of pace cannot be taken seriously. Or is "Strong in the air."
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Post by adamsson on Nov 16, 2014 18:58:40 GMT
Yeah but when will Wilson be fit
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Post by Stokie Mcpot on Nov 16, 2014 18:58:50 GMT
Given the remarks made about his performance it probably wouldn't be unjust to try somebody else there anyway. I prefer Muniesa anyway. I think he's a great player we don't utilise enough.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 16, 2014 19:07:34 GMT
I feel more confident with Wilson as he is much better in the air and got more pace. He is stronger too so an easy choice for me! Muni is not a bad replacement though, but he seems to struggle a bit against pacy players. You're joking right... Wilson better in the air than Muniesa... No way in hell. Muniesa can out jump and be more physical and stronger as a CB than Wilson anyday. Wilson get's pushed of the mark from strikers like shane long... Muniesa is still the only stoke CB to beat Andy Carroll for an aerial ball in a 50/50, including Shawcross... Muniesa is also faster than Wilson and a better tackler and can go forward with the ball but most importantly, even though he's younger he marks his man in the final third massively better than Mr. Wilson, who goes day dreaming at the back. I can only say we see this very differently this time.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 16, 2014 19:11:22 GMT
Marc Wilson was a regular in the team that got us to the cup final for the first tie in our history , a regular in the team Ghana achieved our highest ever premier league position , he has been a exemplary professional , played in a number of positions .
People need to take a long hard look in the mirror , he is an integral part of the fifth meanest defence in the league this year, last time we looked vincent Kompany wasn't agitating for a move to stoke grow up and if you must find a player worthy of your bile, one whose professional standards compromise their ability
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 19:12:53 GMT
You're joking right... Wilson better in the air than Muniesa... No way in hell. Muniesa can out jump and be more physical and stronger as a CB than Wilson anyday. Wilson get's pushed of the mark from strikers like shane long... Muniesa is still the only stoke CB to beat Andy Carroll for an aerial ball in a 50/50, including Shawcross... Muniesa is also faster than Wilson and a better tackler and can go forward with the ball but most importantly, even though he's younger he marks his man in the final third massively better than Mr. Wilson, who goes day dreaming at the back. I can only say we see this very differently this time. Yep.
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Post by stokemark on Nov 16, 2014 19:26:28 GMT
Hope not !Seriously - in the 20 or so minutes he was on against Spurs he was pulled out of position three times all of which could have led to us conceding (the Kane header being the closest they came to scoring other than their goal). I don't think Muniesa is the answer albeit he did very well when called upon. Frankly if we could find the money to bring in a proper replacement for Robert Huth (who it seems unlikely will ever return) then I think we could really be a force to be reckoned with. Great, did you have a party when he got injured I'm guessing that you think irony is something you get the creases out of your clothes with
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 16, 2014 19:29:58 GMT
I disagree with every single aspect of that post. Muniesa is every bit as good in the air if not better. He may not be the biggest but he has a cracking leap and he times the leap to perfection. Wilson is slow and cumbersome and Muniesa is much quicker across the ground. There is no comparison between the two in either speed of foot or speed of mind. Everybody struggles against pacy players. Speed is the biggest danger anyone ever faces. Wilson struggles against slow or fast players so that gives Muniesa the edge there. I hope Wilson is out for the Burnley game and even the Liverpool game. If Muniesa gets a run of games, I'm fairly sure he'll make that spot alongside Ryan his own, assuming Huth is unlikely to return to the Huth of old anytime soon. Pathetic. Why exactly is it pathetic to hope that one player plays over another? So as to avoid incurring your wrath as the moral gatekeeper of this site, I will rephrase. I hope that Wilson has recovered from his hamstring tear sufficently to find himself occupying a position on the bench v Burnley next Saturday. I would like to see Muniesa given a run of games at centre half now because Wilson is a liability, as he was in the opening 20 minutes v Spurs, and Muniesa is a much better player. At some point, we need to find out whether Muniesa can excel in his preferred position at centre half so hopefully that point is now. If he doesn't excel, then hopefully Huth will be fit enough to be considered to be his old self and Wilson will continue to find himself fit enough to occupy a position on the bench.
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Post by stokemanusa on Nov 16, 2014 19:40:10 GMT
Why exactly is it pathetic to hope that one player plays over another? So as to avoid incurring your wrath as the moral gatekeeper of this site, I will rephrase. I hope that Wilson has recovered from his hamstring tear sufficently to find himself occupying a position on the bench v Burnley next Saturday. I would like to see Muniesa given a run of games at centre half now because Wilson is a liability, as he was in the opening 20 minutes v Spurs, and Muniesa is a much better player. At some point, we need to find out whether Muniesa can excel in his preferred position at centre half so hopefully that point is now. If he doesn't excel, then hopefully Huth will be fit enough to be considered to be his old self and Wilson will continue to find himself fit enough to occupy a position on the bench. We were a different team when Muniesa and Cameron came on last match. Muniesa had 6 clearances from the back forward to the midfield who then pressed forward. I'm generally happy if Wilson can just clear the ball out to the side... Cameron intercepted the ball and got forward on the break as we took it to Spurs. I prefer them in the side as the gatekeeper of offense.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 16, 2014 19:44:58 GMT
Why exactly is it pathetic to hope that one player plays over another? So as to avoid incurring your wrath as the moral gatekeeper of this site, I will rephrase. I hope that Wilson has recovered from his hamstring tear sufficently to find himself occupying a position on the bench v Burnley next Saturday. I would like to see Muniesa given a run of games at centre half now because Wilson is a liability, as he was in the opening 20 minutes v Spurs, and Muniesa is a much better player. At some point, we need to find out whether Muniesa can excel in his preferred position at centre half so hopefully that point is now. If he doesn't excel, then hopefully Huth will be fit enough to be considered to be his old self and Wilson will continue to find himself fit enough to occupy a position on the bench. That would be fine, but to hope a player is out injured long term is pathetic, and thats how you've worded it, and definitely doesn't read any other way.
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