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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 17:09:03 GMT
Some of us realised it last May. To be fair, I think the club were hoping Wilson would grow into the role and possibly hoping Huth would have a straightforward recovery. Maybe they even hoped the Brazilian lad would stake a claim. Hopefully whoever has the final say on transfer spending put the money to one side waiting to see which of the bargain signings worked/didn't work out, rather than there simply being no money :s We need a good centre half irrespective. We still do. Wilson was clearly not good enough, he still isn't.
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Post by Gods on Nov 2, 2014 17:10:25 GMT
I like Wilson.
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Post by Davef on Nov 2, 2014 17:33:55 GMT
The difference between Wilson and Shawcross is if we lost the former for a lengthy period it would be a blow but we could just about get by. If we lost the latter it would be an absolute disaster.
You'd soon come to realise how "average" he is if that happened.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 17:42:33 GMT
The difference between Wilson and Shawcross is if we lost the former for a lengthy period it would be a blow but we could just about get by. If we lost the latter it would be an absolute disaster. You'd soon come to realise how "average" he is if that happened. Shawcross is undoubtedly the better player. Shawcross comes better off if you compare him to almost any other player in the squad though. It doesn't make the singling out of Wilson right. He is undoubtedly a scapegoat for a section of our support.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 2, 2014 17:43:59 GMT
If we lost either at the moment it would be tough
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Post by mailman44 on Nov 2, 2014 17:57:22 GMT
I rate Wilson and appreciate his versatility. Much like Cameron he provides depth and can play well across the back and in midfield. Les knows what he brings to the table and sees his value.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 2, 2014 18:29:50 GMT
The difference between Wilson and Shawcross is if we lost the former for a lengthy period it would be a blow but we could just about get by. If we lost the latter it would be an absolute disaster. You'd soon come to realise how "average" he is if that happened. Shawcross is undoubtedly the better player. Shawcross comes better off if you compare him to almost any other player in the squad though. It doesn't make the singling out of Wilson right. He is undoubtedly a scapegoat for a section of our support. The problem with Marc Wilson for me is he's always got a mistake in him whether he's having a good game or not.I would use him as cover and thats all.We need somebody in January to partner the captain if Huth isn't going to come back.
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Post by stokie77 on Nov 2, 2014 19:01:42 GMT
Wilson was good yesterday and Moses is the one that needs a rocket for his lack of work rate second half today. That's why he plays for us and not Chelsea Jose shipped mata out and had words with hazard for the same reasons. Did not see it at the game but Moses at fault for both goals this is our down fall at the min certain players not helping out at the back lack of discipline has cost us a lot of points this season.
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Post by Miles Offside on Nov 2, 2014 19:12:27 GMT
Right you effing morons i've had it. I'm not here to tell anybody that wilson's the best centre half in the league, BUT! The lad didn't put a foot wrong today and some people (said morons) are claiming he was at fault again. Too easy! If you have the full back bombing forward and no one dropping back to cover other than the centre half, you will concede. It was suicidal and ridiculous and NOT wilsons fault. We are conceding more goals because we are a more attacking side who don't defend first. Nothing to do with huth not being there. The lads done really well and yet, people want cameron( scares the s##t out of me at right back never mind centre half) playing instead. You haven't got a clue. Either Wilson shouldn't have been chasing down the ball by the dugout, or I haven't got a clue. Probably the latter, then. Otherwise, I thought Wilson did okay.
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Post by potterglen on Nov 2, 2014 19:18:22 GMT
Boring discussion, not sure what critics expect for the money we pay for players - wake up and smell the roses.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 19:46:55 GMT
Boring discussion, not sure what critics expect for the money we pay for players - wake up and smell the roses. Wilson cost us about 6 million!?!
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Post by potterglen on Nov 2, 2014 21:00:25 GMT
Boring discussion, not sure what critics expect for the money we pay for players - wake up and smell the roses. Wilson cost us about 6 million!?! Knew you'd be on the anti Wilson battle bus Bayern, change the record.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 21:12:21 GMT
Wilson cost us about 6 million!?! Knew you'd be on the anti Wilson battle bus Bayern, change the record. I've been on it since his debut virtually. The only position he's every looked like a Premier League footballer was left back and even there we needed and got better.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 2, 2014 21:27:31 GMT
Wilson cost us about 6 million!?! Knew you'd be on the anti Wilson battle bus Bayern, change the record. He's right though £6 million would have bought a better player than Wilson, the only thing consistent in his game that he will always make costly mistakes, Pompey leaked like a granny when he played CB in their relegation season in the PL.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 21:40:36 GMT
Marc Wilsons main problem is that he does not maintain concentration for ninety minutes, he can be fantastic then BANG. Someone on here hit the nail on the head when they called it the Titus bramble Syndrome. WTF he was doing yesterday for the first goal God only knows, it was like watching an oil tanker turn and why he was in that position anyway defied belief. Saying that it was a massive cock up and he wasn't the only one to blame. It started with Moses, then Wilson joined in and Bojan should have cleared Downing out on the half way line.
If we sign one player in January IMHO it has to be a decent centre half to partner Ryan. We have to stop conceding soft goals. Otherwise our attacking play was very good yesterday, but there is still plenty of work to be done on our finishing and final ball.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 2, 2014 21:42:12 GMT
Marc Wilsons main problem is that he does not maintain concentration for ninety minutes, he can be fantastic then BANG. Someone on here hit the nail on the head when they called it the Titus bramble Syndrome. WTF he was doing yesterday for the first goal God only knows, it was like watching an oil tanker turn and why he was in that position anyway defied belief. Saying that it was a massive cock up and he wasn't the only one to blame. It started with Moses, then Wilson joined in and Bojan should have cleared Downing out on the half way line. If we sign one player in January IMHO it has to be a decent centre half to partner Ryan. We have to stop conceding soft goals. Otherwise our attacking play was very good yesterday, but there is still plenty of work to be done on our finishing and final ball. Bang on the money mate
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 9:49:11 GMT
Another great game for Wilson.
"If he plays more than 10 games this season, we'll be in big trouble. "
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 9:50:51 GMT
The difference between Wilson and Shawcross is if we lost the former for a lengthy period it would be a blow but we could just about get by. If we lost the latter it would be an absolute disaster. You'd soon come to realise how "average" he is if that happened. We're doing ok.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 1, 2015 10:08:12 GMT
If I can just invoke Winston Wolf again, the real acid test will be against teams with a half-decent forward line. They looked very good yesterday (I didn't see the Villa game) but the facts are that Villa can't score for toffee and that Hull side showed less ambition than my ageing, fat-arsed cat.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 1, 2015 10:12:03 GMT
Cue a load of justification threads from people who can't handle being proven wrong.
Wilson is a good player and can do more than a decent job anywhere across the back line and he's not 'fucking shit'.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 1, 2015 10:48:19 GMT
Wilson played well yesterday.
He is far from world class but he has done a decent job in all defensive positions for Stoke in the Premiership.
He is not as good at CB as Cannavaro or Nesta were at their peak. He is not as good at full back as Philipp Lahm.
Like all defenders he does make mistakes that sometimes lead to goals.
He is not a shite footballer. He is a premiership class player who can play adequately in all defensive positions. As such he is a great asset to SCFC.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 1, 2015 11:17:44 GMT
I just watched it again and one thing is clear, whatever you think of Mark Wilson he is an infinitely better defender than Philipp Wollscheid. Infinitely better.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Mar 1, 2015 11:21:08 GMT
I just watched it again and one thing is clear, whatever you think of Mark Wilson he is an infinitely better defender than Philipp Wollscheid. Infinitely better. I'm inclined to agree.
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Post by foxysgloves on Mar 1, 2015 11:22:22 GMT
The latest in a long line of underrated and sadly unappreciated players to play for us in the Premier League.
Versatile and adaptable. A very important squad player who rarely lets us down.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Mar 1, 2015 11:31:30 GMT
I thought he was our best player today. Very calm sensible performance , earlier in the season he seemed to make mistakes by trying to get in front of players and getting caught out , maybe he has learned his lesson or maybe he felt the need to take the leaders role in the absence of Ryan , not up against a great attack but I hope he maintains his level of performance from today
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2015 11:35:53 GMT
He's in his rightful place of 4th choice centre half now, I can live with that.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 1, 2015 11:38:08 GMT
He's in his rightful place of 4th choice centre half now, I can live with that. Shawcross - tick Muniesa - tick With Huth now a Leicester player, I'm struggling now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2015 11:46:55 GMT
He's in his rightful place of 4th choice centre half now, I can live with that. Shawcross - tick Muniesa - tick With Huth now a Leicester player, I'm struggling now. Wllscheid will be Shawcross' partner in the long term. Can't say I'm thrilled with it but he will.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 1, 2015 11:49:10 GMT
Shawcross - tick Muniesa - tick With Huth now a Leicester player, I'm struggling now. Wllscheid will be Shawcross' partner in the long term. Can't say I'm thrilled with it but he will. That will be a massive error of judgement from the manager if so.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 1, 2015 11:54:14 GMT
Wllscheid will be Shawcross' partner in the long term. Can't say I'm thrilled with it but he will. That will be a massive error of judgement from the manager if so. He made the same error in playing Wilson for so long there, so it'll be standard.
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