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Post by Robo10 on Nov 2, 2014 12:00:33 GMT
No witch hunt from me, but he should have committed a tactical foul having seen 5 of his follow players commit forward (criminally from Erik Pieters for me), and then seeing them break - however the ease with which Downing skinned him was concerning, he looked very cumbersome and slow, he should have just bought him down and we would have all said "Well Done Marc" - was just poor.
As for the goals, both are Victors responsibility - a piss poor lazy pass that fucked over the team who were bombing forward - also poor for me and a bit naive - caused the first one, and watching Goals on Sunday just he is just stood watching the second, where Downing is off the pitch after the initial cross, comes back on, wanders to the edge of the area and has time to set himself for a shot to score - even pressure from Victor would have put him off on his weaker foot and maybe forced him to skew it/mistime it. As it was Vic just watched (stood still for 5-10 seconds!) allowing Downing to set himself and ping it.
Not convinced by Bego for either goal either.
I would have taken a point before the game, but given how we played for 80 minutes came away frustrated, but we have to start taking the multitude of chances we are creating in games - we have never created so many, but arent scoring too many more goals, while at the other end we are a bit poop at the min
Pieters is unconvincing of late, Wilsons mistakes always lead to goals, Shawcross looks unsure, and so does Bego. Geoff had a great game though yesterday and offers a stack more than Bardo going forward.
The midefield 3 were good, Bojan top class, he needs time on the pitch to acclimatise - I said that on Weds when he showed some glimpses
Diouf needs to be more clinical - the chance at the end of the first half just needed prodding into the bottom left rather than the fancy flick he tried to the other side
Moses does good exciting things, but end product isnt always great and does switch off, while Super Jon was great yesterday
Lots of positives though from the game!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 12:01:51 GMT
He played well yesterday and saved a good 2 or 3 goals with last ditch challenges and blocks. Yet he's still hounded by fans. What's the point? So he did his job? I actually think he played ok (not well) as it goes but here we are again with another goal and Wilson massively fucks up along with some others but he's there again making a daft mistake. His efforts to get back though are hilarious. Shawcross gets screams for England and 11/10 match ratings when he does his job - Wilson gets hounded when he does his. Criticising him when he plays bad is fair enough, but when he does well and still gets shit it's pathetic agenda driven bollucks.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 2, 2014 12:03:40 GMT
So he did his job? I actually think he played ok (not well) as it goes but here we are again with another goal and Wilson massively fucks up along with some others but he's there again making a daft mistake. His efforts to get back though are hilarious. Shawcross gets screams for England and 11/10 match ratings when he does his job - Wilson gets hounded when he does his. Criticising him when he plays bad is fair enough, but when he does well and still gets shit it's pathetic agenda driven bollucks. The issue is, he's playing mostly well every week but still gifting at least one gilt-edged chance per game.
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 2, 2014 12:03:51 GMT
Oh, and I thought Dioufs missed header (at 2-1) from a peach of a free kick from the left was criminal!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 12:04:23 GMT
So he did his job? I actually think he played ok (not well) as it goes but here we are again with another goal and Wilson massively fucks up along with some others but he's there again making a daft mistake. His efforts to get back though are hilarious. Shawcross gets screams for England and 11/10 match ratings when he does his job - Wilson gets hounded when he does his. Criticising him when he plays bad is fair enough, but when he does well and still gets shit it's pathetic agenda driven bollucks. I don't think he played well though! He was ok, nothing more, nothing less. You can still pin a goal on him if you so want to choose, which is a massive part of the Wilson problem. And as RVD has pointed out his massive fuck up nearly led to a third. He was indeed ok.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 12:04:46 GMT
Oh, and I thought Dioufs missed header (at 2-1) from a peach of a free kick from the left was criminal! I do, he should have fookin' buried it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 12:08:01 GMT
Shawcross gets screams for England and 11/10 match ratings when he does his job - Wilson gets hounded when he does his. Criticising him when he plays bad is fair enough, but when he does well and still gets shit it's pathetic agenda driven bollucks. I don't think he played well though! He was ok, nothing more, nothing less. You can still pin a goal on him if you so want to choose, which is a massive part of the Wilson problem. And as RVD has pointed out his massive fuck up nearly led to a third. He was indeed ok. Both could, and should, have been pinned on Moses yesterday. I'm not denying he's had his moments this season (like the header against Southampton recently), but you're honestly digging a bit deep at times to blame him for any and every goal.
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Post by tazi on Nov 2, 2014 12:08:37 GMT
Should he come back then I doubt an ageing Huth will be the answer either.
Need to look for a new centre back, maybe two should Shawcross leave in January.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 12:10:38 GMT
I don't think he played well though! He was ok, nothing more, nothing less. You can still pin a goal on him if you so want to choose, which is a massive part of the Wilson problem. And as RVD has pointed out his massive fuck up nearly led to a third. He was indeed ok. Both could, and should, have been pinned on Moses yesterday. I'm not denying he's had his moments this season (like the header against Southampton recently), but you're honestly digging a bit deep at times to blame him for any and every goal. Moses was utter wank for both. Wilson was wank for the first. Cameron was utter wank for the first. That's where I lie. I don't need to dig deep Jase, that's the problem! It really isn't hard to do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 12:11:11 GMT
The point is he's prone to dropping bollocks which have cost us goals, not yesterday but have a look at the season so far, sorry but he's the weak point of our defence. That may well be, but people will give him shit even when he plays well. He gets no credit from a large majority of fans, and it's utter shit support quite frankly. I always try to give credit when it's due and he did well yesterday but football is a cruel game which takes no prisoners. I dont like him at CB because of the bollocks he drops, weak header away at Soton cost us the game. Just imagine another top class CB next to Ryan how good could we be ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 12:12:09 GMT
Some wanted the snail in centre mid aswell Far too slow, can't read danger and he is fast becoming a liability. I lost count yesterday of the amount of times the ball came to him and after 4 touches he got it under control before playing aimless hoofs up field. This from a self proclaimed centre mid! Desperately need a cb in jan.
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Post by RAF on Nov 2, 2014 12:12:09 GMT
He is a bit shit though really if you are honest!
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Post by Robo10 on Nov 2, 2014 12:12:59 GMT
Or give Muniesa/Cameron a crack there?
Its their supposed natural positions, but as with Bojan, they need time in games to play there to build partnerships, the odd game or 20 mins sub isnt enough to expect them to be brilliant from the off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 12:14:40 GMT
Or give Muniesa/Cameron a crack there? Its their supposed natural positions, but as with Bojan, they need time in games to play there to build partnerships, the odd game or 20 mins sub isnt enough to expect them to be brilliant from the off. Include Jonny Tex in there too.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 2, 2014 12:19:25 GMT
He is a bit shit though really if you are honest! H Whilst I wouldn't quite go as far as shit (not very good would do) it does sum up my thoughts on the subject quite succinctly.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 2, 2014 12:40:48 GMT
Some wanted the snail in centre mid aswell Far too slow, can't read danger and he is fast becoming a liability. I lost count yesterday of the amount of times the ball came to him and after 4 touches he got it under control before playing aimless hoofs up field. This from a self proclaimed centre mid! Desperately need a cb in jan. Pulis bought him in from Pompey where he played at CB for a good portion of that season, a season they leaked goals like a fucking sieve and were ultimately relegated hardly surprising that he still has those defensive frailties especially at CB, at full back he could and did get away with a few dropped bollocks at CB he isn't, the thought of him in midfield is frankly frightening. We need a proper CB in Jan in truth we needed one in the summer is was fairly predictable that Huth would be struggling to make any impact this season, major dropped bollock by the club.
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Post by RAF on Nov 2, 2014 12:53:35 GMT
He is a bit shit though really if you are honest! H Whilst I wouldn't quite go as far as shit (not very good would do) it does sum up my thoughts on the subject quite succinctly. :( I retract the shit and insert poor H
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 13:15:02 GMT
Another good performance by Wilson yesterday.
Outstanding 1,000,000 yard ball to Walters for the second goal too.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Nov 2, 2014 14:10:28 GMT
surely he has to take a yellow for the team on the first goal,moses started it but he must know that being caught so far up the pitch is risking trouble , he does lots of good things but just is not defensive minded enough at times , lke the first for southampton last week has to be headed up .
i can see the point you are making about our more attacking approach but we are simply not scoring enough yet to keep conceding poor goals and need to improve
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 2, 2014 15:14:29 GMT
Wilson was our best defender again yesterday, he has been our best defender this season.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 2, 2014 15:28:50 GMT
Wilson was our best defender again yesterday, he has been our best defender this season. Have you been drinking or partaking in taking illegal substances, our best defender this season
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Post by Kjones9 on Nov 2, 2014 15:51:56 GMT
Wilson was our best defender again yesterday, he has been our best defender this season. Have you been drinking or partaking in taking illegal substances, our best defender this season No, but he does have an odd disliking of our best defender and captain.
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Post by RAF on Nov 2, 2014 16:39:56 GMT
Wilson was our best defender again yesterday, he has been our best defender this season. JESUS HATES CHRIST! H
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 2, 2014 16:42:21 GMT
Have you been drinking or partaking in taking illegal substances, our best defender this season No, but he does have an odd disliking of our best defender and captain. Don't have dislike for Ryan at all but I can see that Ryan is not the best center half in the premership
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 2, 2014 16:45:33 GMT
No, but he does have an odd disliking of our best defender and captain. Don't have dislike for Ryan at all but I can see that Ryan is not the best center half in the premership You do dislike him though. He's to blame for everything according to you, so it logically follows that you don't rate him at all, no?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 16:48:15 GMT
Should he come back then I doubt an ageing Huth will be the answer either. Need to look for a new centre back, maybe two should Shawcross leave in January. I think admist all the arguing most people haven't recognised that. A good centre back and a good forward signing would really push us on. (Admittedly most teams could say that!)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 16:49:15 GMT
Should he come back then I doubt an ageing Huth will be the answer either. Need to look for a new centre back, maybe two should Shawcross leave in January. I think admist all the arguing most people haven't recognised that. A good centre back and a good forward signing would really push us on. (Admittedly most teams could say that!) Some of us realised it last May.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Nov 2, 2014 16:54:13 GMT
Don't have dislike for Ryan at all but I can see that Ryan is not the best center half in the premership You do dislike him though. He's to blame for everything according to you, so it logically follows that you don't rate him at all, no? I have just said that I don't dislike him, stupid, he is a average center half, and I don't blame him for every thing, just bring a bit of reality you and the rest of the sheep always have a scapegoat, and we know who that is, ,,,,,,,,, ba, ba, wooly back,
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 2, 2014 16:56:24 GMT
You do dislike him though. He's to blame for everything according to you, so it logically follows that you don't rate him at all, no? I have just said that I don't dislike him, stupid, he is a average center half, and I don't blame him for every thing, just bring a bit of reality you and the rest of the sheep always have a scapegoat, and we know who that is, ,,,,,,,,, ba, ba, wooly back, I know you've just said it, I'm calling it bullshit. Which it is. Top trolling, maybe get a new gimmick though. Or just give it a fucking rest.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 17:04:33 GMT
I think admist all the arguing most people haven't recognised that. A good centre back and a good forward signing would really push us on. (Admittedly most teams could say that!) Some of us realised it last May. To be fair, I think the club were hoping Wilson would grow into the role and possibly hoping Huth would have a straightforward recovery. Maybe they even hoped the Brazilian lad would stake a claim. Hopefully whoever has the final say on transfer spending put the money to one side waiting to see which of the bargain signings worked/didn't work out, rather than there simply being no money :s
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