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Post by hoekstrasleftpeg on Nov 2, 2014 0:56:51 GMT
Right you effing morons i've had it. I'm not here to tell anybody that wilson's the best centre half in the league, BUT! The lad didn't put a foot wrong today and some people (said morons) are claiming he was at fault again. Too easy! If you have the full back bombing forward and no one dropping back to cover other than the centre half, you will concede. It was suicidal and ridiculous and NOT wilsons fault. We are conceding more goals because we are a more attacking side who don't defend first. Nothing to do with huth not being there. The lads done really well and yet, people want cameron( scares the s##t out of me at right back never mind centre half) playing instead. You haven't got a clue.
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 2, 2014 0:59:41 GMT
Right you effing morons i've had it. I'm not here to tell anybody that wilson's the best centre half in the league, BUT! The lad didn't put a foot wrong today and some people (said morons) are claiming he was at fault again. Too easy! If you have the full back bombing forward and no one dropping back to cover other than the centre half, you will concede. It was suicidal and ridiculous and NOT wilsons fault. We are conceding more goals because we are a more attacking side who don't defend first. Nothing to do with huth not being there. The lads done really well and yet, people want cameron( scares the s##t out of me at right back never mind centre half) playing instead. You haven't got a clue. Disagree with everything apart from the bit about Wilson not being the best centre half in the league.
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Post by hoekstrasleftpeg on Nov 2, 2014 1:03:57 GMT
Said moron!
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 2, 2014 1:13:05 GMT
If you've honestly been happy with him this season then I suggest you take a closer look at every goal we've conceded this season. I'd hazard a guess that he's had a hand in about 80% of them.
I actually think he looks like a decent player for the majority of the game but you know he's going to make a mistake at some point. I think they call it Titus Bramble syndrome.
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Post by hoekstrasleftpeg on Nov 2, 2014 1:18:37 GMT
I dont agree but not my point. People are blaming him today and im not having it!!! Too easy!
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Post by chuckrocky on Nov 2, 2014 1:31:59 GMT
I haven't seen anyone blame Wilson entirely for today. Most people have accepted that it was as a result of poor finishing and defensive mistakes committed by numerous players, one of which was Wilson.
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Post by hoekstrasleftpeg on Nov 2, 2014 1:34:05 GMT
How many goals has shawcross ( i love him he's class) been (supposedly) responsable for this season. For me the same as wilson but thats what happens. NOT EVERY GOAL IS THE CENTRE HALFS FAULT.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 2, 2014 1:47:54 GMT
Right you effing morons i've had it. I'm not here to tell anybody that wilson's the best centre half in the league, BUT! The lad didn't put a foot wrong today and some people (said morons) are claiming he was at fault again. Too easy! If you have the full back bombing forward and no one dropping back to cover other than the centre half, you will concede. It was suicidal and ridiculous and NOT wilsons fault. We are conceding more goals because we are a more attacking side who don't defend first. Nothing to do with huth not being there. The lads done really well and yet, people want cameron( scares the s##t out of me at right back never mind centre half) playing instead. You haven't got a clue. Hi Marc, hope the camp isn't too down. Chin up eh? OK, let's take your post to the cleaners: 1. Wilson didn't put a foot wrong specifically but he still doesn't fill me confidence. Was he to blame for the goal? I don't think so. I think realistically when Victor Moses and Erik Pieters watch that on MOTD, they'll cringe. I do believe Wilson could have done more though. West Ham are countering, the aim is to stop it and stop it he didn't do. The cross was all too easy. To directly blame him for the goal however, is wrong. 2. I disagree with your assertion that it's our attacking that is costing us goals. Southampton last week was a good example. A routine header was totally ballsed up... by Wilson, unfortunately. No attacking involved in that. Whether you love him or not, Marc Wilson has cost us goals this season. Do I think Huth would be better? Who knows? If he's as crocked as we're all concerned he might be, then possibly not but that still doesn't negate the fact we need a centre half in January. 3. Cameron looked excellent today, so if you're seeing Wilson as the mercurial saviour and Cameron as the cause of all our problems I think you really need to take another look. Do I think Cameron could do a job at centre back? Yes, yes I do. For the USA, he was Man of the Match and included in the FIFA World 11 after his performance against Ghana. He fucked up against Portugal. He then returned against Belgium albeit in central midfielder and won Man of the Match again. Do I want him to play centre back? No I feel he has a role in midfield. 4. Whether we have a clue or not is really not your place to judge. Opinions are opinions. I don't believe there's a witch hunt against Wilson, or Cameron for that matter. I do believe that people are quick to blame after a defeat. Blaming the defence for our draw would be disingenuous considering the chances we missed. Maybe chill out eh? Go have a beer.
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 2, 2014 1:49:59 GMT
Right you effing morons i've had it. I'm not here to tell anybody that wilson's the best centre half in the league, BUT! The lad didn't put a foot wrong today and some people (said morons) are claiming he was at fault again. Too easy! If you have the full back bombing forward and no one dropping back to cover other than the centre half, you will concede. It was suicidal and ridiculous and NOT wilsons fault. We are conceding more goals because we are a more attacking side who don't defend first. Nothing to do with huth not being there. The lads done really well and yet, people want cameron( scares the s##t out of me at right back never mind centre half) playing instead. You haven't got a clue. Hi Marc, hope the camp isn't too down. Chin up eh? OK, let's take your post to the cleaners: 1. Wilson didn't put a foot wrong specifically but he still doesn't fill me confidence. Was he to blame for the goal? I don't think so. I think realistically when Victor Moses and Erik Pieters watch that on MOTD, they'll cringe. I do believe Wilson could have done more though. West Ham are countering, the aim is to stop it and stop it he didn't do. The cross was all too easy. To directly blame him for the goal however, is wrong. 2. I disagree with your assertion that it's our attacking that is costing us goals. Southampton last week was a good example. A routine header was totally ballsed up... by Wilson, unfortunately. No attacking involved in that. Whether you love him or not, Marc Wilson has cost us goals this season. Do I think Huth would be better? Who knows? If he's as crocked as we're all concerned he might be, then possibly not but that still doesn't negate the fact we need a centre half in January. 3. Cameron looked excellent today, so if you're seeing Wilson as the mercurial saviour and Cameron as the cause of all our problems I think you really need to take another look. Do I think Cameron could do a job at centre back? Yes, yes I do. For the USA, he was Man of the Match and included in the FIFA World 11 after his performance against Ghana. He fucked up against Portugal. He then returned against Belgium albeit in central midfielder and won Man of the Match again. Do I want him to play centre back? No I feel he has a role in midfield. 4. Whether we have a clue or not is really not your place to judge. Opinions are opinions. I don't believe there's a witch hunt against Wilson, or Cameron for that matter. I do believe that people are quick to blame after a defeat. Blaming the defence for our draw would be disingenuous considering the chances we missed. Maybe chill out eh? Go have a beer. Hi Geoff Good hustle today buddy. USA! USA! USA!
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Post by metalhead on Nov 2, 2014 1:53:07 GMT
Hi Marc, hope the camp isn't too down. Chin up eh? OK, let's take your post to the cleaners: 1. Wilson didn't put a foot wrong specifically but he still doesn't fill me confidence. Was he to blame for the goal? I don't think so. I think realistically when Victor Moses and Erik Pieters watch that on MOTD, they'll cringe. I do believe Wilson could have done more though. West Ham are countering, the aim is to stop it and stop it he didn't do. The cross was all too easy. To directly blame him for the goal however, is wrong. 2. I disagree with your assertion that it's our attacking that is costing us goals. Southampton last week was a good example. A routine header was totally ballsed up... by Wilson, unfortunately. No attacking involved in that. Whether you love him or not, Marc Wilson has cost us goals this season. Do I think Huth would be better? Who knows? If he's as crocked as we're all concerned he might be, then possibly not but that still doesn't negate the fact we need a centre half in January. 3. Cameron looked excellent today, so if you're seeing Wilson as the mercurial saviour and Cameron as the cause of all our problems I think you really need to take another look. Do I think Cameron could do a job at centre back? Yes, yes I do. For the USA, he was Man of the Match and included in the FIFA World 11 after his performance against Ghana. He fucked up against Portugal. He then returned against Belgium albeit in central midfielder and won Man of the Match again. Do I want him to play centre back? No I feel he has a role in midfield. 4. Whether we have a clue or not is really not your place to judge. Opinions are opinions. I don't believe there's a witch hunt against Wilson, or Cameron for that matter. I do believe that people are quick to blame after a defeat. Blaming the defence for our draw would be disingenuous considering the chances we missed. Maybe chill out eh? Go have a beer. Hi Geoff Good hustle today buddy. USA! USA! USA! Really? I mean really? Which part of my post is a lie?
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Post by stokeramblers on Nov 2, 2014 1:58:55 GMT
Hi Geoff Good hustle today buddy. USA! USA! USA! Really? I mean really? Which part of my post is a lie? And you're telling some to chill out and have a beer..! I was just joking Geoff Blimey
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Post by metalhead on Nov 2, 2014 2:00:31 GMT
Really? I mean really? Which part of my post is a lie? And you're telling some to chill out and have a beer..! I was just joking Geoff Blimey Just the good hustle thing. I aren't lying about it. Just putting facts down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 11:36:19 GMT
I know he's not the quickest but that took the biscuit for the first goal.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 2, 2014 11:37:29 GMT
I know he's not the quickest but that took the biscuit for the first goal. Treading water mate
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 11:38:04 GMT
No football brain whatsoever. Ryan is carrying him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 11:39:38 GMT
I know he's not the quickest but that took the biscuit for the first goal. Treading water mate I thought it was Pieters at first who I have down as slow but I thought Wilson was quicker than that. It looked like Gerry Taggart with how immobile and slow he looked.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Nov 2, 2014 11:41:53 GMT
I thought it was Pieters at first who I have down as slow but I thought Wilson was quicker than that. It looked like Gerry Taggart with how immobile and slow he looked. I couldn't believe how he sold himself mate tbh,he or Bojan needed to foul him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 11:43:57 GMT
Marc Wilson makes me nervous, i don't like that. Danny Collins made me nervous, i didn't like that either.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 11:45:24 GMT
I thought it was Pieters at first who I have down as slow but I thought Wilson was quicker than that. It looked like Gerry Taggart with how immobile and slow he looked. I couldn't believe how he sold himself mate tbh,he or Bojan needed to foul him. They were both too far away for it I think. Credit Bojan for being there though, he has no real right to be there and makes a better go of it than his left back or his left centre half.....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 11:49:49 GMT
It was a bit like this;
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 2, 2014 11:50:41 GMT
Several times this season (4 or 5 at least) Wilson has made unnecessary headed clearances when the ball should have been left to run through to Begovic. I don't know if this is Begovic's fault for not shouting, Wilson's fault, or Shawcross' for not helping his teammate, but every time it has put us under unnecessary pressure when doing nothing was the better option. The fact that it always seems to be Wilson to me suggests he doesn't have the best defenders brain and his positional awareness is poor.
I think he's in the side because in Hughes' opinion he's a better passer than Huth, and I reckon if Huth was fit and in the side we wouldn't be conceding as many as we are.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Nov 2, 2014 11:51:08 GMT
There is no witch hunt, he's shit.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Nov 2, 2014 11:53:38 GMT
I couldn't believe how he sold himself mate tbh,he or Bojan needed to foul him. They were both too far away for it I think. Credit Bojan for being there though, he has no real right to be there and makes a better go of it than his left back or his left centre half..... Or his left winger for that matter who, having given the ball away cheaply, just shrugged his shoulders and ambled back towards the halfway line. If he'd bust a gut to catch Downing he could have easily but he left it to others. Which, whilst I'm on my Moses witch hunt , he did for the second goal as well. As good as he was going forward yesterday he made a large contribution (by omission) to both their goals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 11:54:03 GMT
I'm sure he's doing his best but it's not good enough we need a new CB in January.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 11:56:20 GMT
He played well yesterday and saved a good 2 or 3 goals with last ditch challenges and blocks. Yet he's still hounded by fans. What's the point?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 11:56:47 GMT
They were both too far away for it I think. Credit Bojan for being there though, he has no real right to be there and makes a better go of it than his left back or his left centre half..... Or his left winger for that matter who, having given the ball away cheaply, just shrugged his shoulders and ambled back towards the halfway line. If he'd bust a gut to catch Downing he could have easily but he left it to others. Which, whilst I'm on my Moses witch hunt , he did for the second goal as well. As good as he was going forward yesterday he made a large contribution (by omission) to both their goals. Lets be honest Moses was excellent yesterday except he was to blame for both goals to a degree, he gave the ball away for the first and did not try and get back and stood standing still for Downing to score the second even after Bojan was clearly telling him to pick up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 11:58:53 GMT
He played well yesterday and saved a good 2 or 3 goals with last ditch challenges and blocks. Yet he's still hounded by fans. What's the point? The point is he's prone to dropping bollocks which have cost us goals, not yesterday but have a look at the season so far, sorry but he's the weak point of our defence.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Nov 2, 2014 11:58:59 GMT
I wouldn't blame Wilson for either goal but he nearly cost us a third and it was down entirely to Begovic making a great stop that we didn't. Had that gone in to make it 2-3 things would've got nuclear on here.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 2, 2014 11:59:09 GMT
He played well yesterday and saved a good 2 or 3 goals with last ditch challenges and blocks. Yet he's still hounded by fans. What's the point? So he did his job? I actually think he played ok (not well) as it goes but here we are again with another goal and Wilson massively fucks up along with some others but he's there again making a daft mistake. His efforts to get back though are hilarious.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 12:00:08 GMT
He played well yesterday and saved a good 2 or 3 goals with last ditch challenges and blocks. Yet he's still hounded by fans. What's the point? The point is he's prone to dropping bollocks which have cost us goals, not yesterday but have a look at the season so far, sorry but he's the weak point of our defence. That may well be, but people will give him shit even when he plays well. He gets no credit from a large majority of fans, and it's utter shit support quite frankly.
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