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Post by BuzzB on Oct 30, 2014 15:27:04 GMT
There were good signs second half last night, we do need to get going a lot quicker though. I never thought I would hear myself saying this but, we aren't half missing Glen Whelan! Injuries to him, Huth and PO are doing us no good.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 30, 2014 15:27:34 GMT
The West Ham fans who were unhappy with Sam aren't fickle hypocrites - the things they were unhappy about have been fixed. I don't think anyone seriously wants Hughes out beyond the previous manager's most extreme acolytes on here who aren't prepared to cut him a millionth of the slack they cut the old boss. That said, Hughes shouldn't be above scrutiny while the team is underperforming. I think it’s a bit soon to be suggesting that Sam has “fixed” it. We’re not even into double figures for games played yet. It appears they’ve got two decent forwards of course, so I’d imagine they’ll be fine again. I wouldn’t mind a few quid that we’ll finish above them mind. And it will only take a few games without a win before the same fans find their voice as Sam becomes a shit manager again overnight…. Digressing aside, it’s one thing discussing the issues that currently plague us. It’s perfectly reasonable to do that without calling Arnie a useless showpony, Bojan a waste of space and suggesting the Manager has completely lost the plot (paraphrasing – but all things I’ve seen written on here from various posters). Yes, we have things that need sorting out. We do have a man in charge that is more than capable of doing just that though. Hughes has a proven track record and there’s more evidence to suggest he’ll get it right than there is he’ll make a complete pigs ear of things. Is it too much to ask for a little patience at this early stage of the season? The lack of goals and attacking threat were what West Ham fans were moaning about though. And they're playing much more enterprising stuff so far. So it seems unfair of people to call their fans out as fickle when in fact their issues have been addressed, or that is at least the case so far. I think there needs to be a clear distinction between the lunatic fringe who've been itching to get at Hughes all along and those who are just a bit concerned about our performances. I'd be amazed if there were more than about 4-5 on here who wanted a change of manager.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 15:31:18 GMT
Hahahahahahahhaha.
This thread is bookmarked.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:38:33 GMT
I think it’s a bit soon to be suggesting that Sam has “fixed” it. We’re not even into double figures for games played yet. It appears they’ve got two decent forwards of course, so I’d imagine they’ll be fine again. I wouldn’t mind a few quid that we’ll finish above them mind. And it will only take a few games without a win before the same fans find their voice as Sam becomes a shit manager again overnight…. Digressing aside, it’s one thing discussing the issues that currently plague us. It’s perfectly reasonable to do that without calling Arnie a useless showpony, Bojan a waste of space and suggesting the Manager has completely lost the plot (paraphrasing – but all things I’ve seen written on here from various posters). Yes, we have things that need sorting out. We do have a man in charge that is more than capable of doing just that though. Hughes has a proven track record and there’s more evidence to suggest he’ll get it right than there is he’ll make a complete pigs ear of things. Is it too much to ask for a little patience at this early stage of the season? The lack of goals and attacking threat were what West Ham fans were moaning about though. And they're playing much more enterprising stuff so far. So it seems unfair of people to call their fans out as fickle when in fact their issues have been addressed, or that is at least the case so far. I think there needs to be a clear distinction between the lunatic fringe who've been itching to get at Hughes all along and those who are just a bit concerned about our performances. I'd be amazed if there were more than about 4-5 on here who wanted a change of manager. It probably is just a lunatic minority mate (when it comes to the manager). Although Bayern was posting the other day that he is now questioning whether Hughes is the right man for the job too and, daft c**t he may be, I wouldn’t stick him in that bracket of extremists. It isn’t just the criticism of Sparky that is grating though, it’s the continual writing off of players, just a handful of games into the season. We saw it last year and we’re seeing it again now. I don’t understand this overnight celebrity nonsense. A few good games and you’re the best thing since sliced bread. A few dodgy games and a loss of form and you’re the next Ali Dia. There's never any middle ground with some people.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 30, 2014 15:40:01 GMT
NO.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 30, 2014 15:58:51 GMT
Constant changing of both personnel and formation has left the players unsure what they should be doing. The style we are trying to play is unclear. The sequence which is centre back to centre back, then centre back to full back, then full back to centre back then centre back hoofs the ball forward is repeated many times every game. Why? None of Hughes' signings have been clear successes. He pursued Diouf for a long time, but doesn't seem to know what to do with him now he's here. So, yes, I am very worried about our manager. I am waiting for clear evidence that he knows what he is doing.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 16:01:27 GMT
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 16:01:41 GMT
Constant changing of both personnel and formation has left the players unsure what they should be doing. The style we are trying to play is unclear. The sequence which is centre back to centre back, then centre back to full back, then full back to centre back then centre back hoofs the ball forward is repeated many times every game. Why? None of Hughes' signings have been clear successes. He pursued Diouf for a long time, but doesn't seem to know what to do with him now he's here. So, yes, I am very worried about our manager. I am waiting for clear evidence that he knows what he is doing.
Don't you think injuries have played a massive part in chopping and changing?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 30, 2014 16:06:01 GMT
The lack of goals and attacking threat were what West Ham fans were moaning about though. And they're playing much more enterprising stuff so far. So it seems unfair of people to call their fans out as fickle when in fact their issues have been addressed, or that is at least the case so far. I think there needs to be a clear distinction between the lunatic fringe who've been itching to get at Hughes all along and those who are just a bit concerned about our performances. I'd be amazed if there were more than about 4-5 on here who wanted a change of manager. It probably is just a lunatic minority mate (when it comes to the manager). Although Bayern was posting the other day that he is now questioning whether Hughes is the right man for the job too and, daft c**t he may be, I wouldn’t stick him in that bracket of extremists. It isn’t just the criticism of Sparky that is grating though, it’s the continual writing off of players, just a handful of games into the season. We saw it last year and we’re seeing it again now. I don’t understand this overnight celebrity nonsense. A few good games and you’re the best thing since sliced bread. A few dodgy games and a loss of form and you’re the next Ali Dia. There's never any middle ground with some people. I agree mate, though I do think there's a tendency from some (not you) to make out that any criticism at all of any aspect of a performance or decision is an act of treason and makes you a boo boy incarnate. It doesn't. I'm happy with Hughes but I don't think he can't be questioned, especially of late.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 30, 2014 16:07:30 GMT
The gay shit that outperformed the in your face footie?
So as a Stoke supporter you would rather us play a brand of football that doesn't get as good results as another? Interesting.
I would rather watch a brand of football that gets the crowd going. The brand that shows some fight and passion. I don't give a fuck what league we are in as long as the lads on the pitch give it their all and at the moment playing the shit we are they are not. I feel it is no coincidence that QPR played like a bunch if individuals. This is the crux of it as well for me. Ive no qualms with Hughes, the players on the other hand need to take a long hard look in the mirror at themselves. He can only hold their hand so much, then its up to them but they just seem to freeze and dont carry out the instructions. Can you honestly see Hughesy saying to them "rightho lads, take it easy for the first 45 and then we can have them second half" ...does he bollox
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 30, 2014 16:17:18 GMT
I presume your point is that we are not in the bottom three. But Hughes was brought in to make the football more exciting, more creative and score more goals. Do you really think he is delivering this?
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 30, 2014 16:19:33 GMT
Constant changing of both personnel and formation has left the players unsure what they should be doing. The style we are trying to play is unclear. The sequence which is centre back to centre back, then centre back to full back, then full back to centre back then centre back hoofs the ball forward is repeated many times every game. Why? None of Hughes' signings have been clear successes. He pursued Diouf for a long time, but doesn't seem to know what to do with him now he's here. So, yes, I am very worried about our manager. I am waiting for clear evidence that he knows what he is doing.
Don't you think injuries have played a massive part in chopping and changing?
They have not helped, admittedly, but he has made plenty of unenforced changes.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 16:20:36 GMT
I presume your point is that we are not in the bottom three. But Hughes was brought in to make the football more exciting, more creative and score more goals. Do you really think he is delivering this? He managed it last season pretty well didn't he? This season we have stuttered and nobody can deny that but we've also had a pretty awful run of injuries. We still need a goal scorer and a centre back. Other than that we are in reasonable shape and will finish lower mid table I imagine.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 16:22:33 GMT
I presume your point is that we are not in the bottom three. But Hughes was brought in to make the football more exciting, more creative and score more goals. Do you really think he is delivering this? No my point is that for a manager that doesn't know what he's doing, he guided us to a 9th place finish last year.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 16:26:57 GMT
Don't you think injuries have played a massive part in chopping and changing?
They have not helped, admittedly, but he has made plenty of unenforced changes.
Name them.
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2014 16:29:18 GMT
I know my predictions are hit or miss but I am confident that we will finish the season above Soton and Wham in the table.
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Post by Kingswaystokie on Oct 30, 2014 16:30:01 GMT
To those on here who argue that, as a team we do fight for a result, don't think we fought very hard in the first half last night.
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 16:31:57 GMT
There was no need defend it for 10 years was there because it didn't need defending for 10 fcuking years did it?. No, everything TFP did was 100 percent perfect. It's why everone loved him unconditionally... Wasn't 10 years though was it...,
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Post by Davef on Oct 30, 2014 16:42:29 GMT
I know my predictions are hit or miss but I am confident that we will finish the season above Soton and Wham in the table. Well if we can't finish above a team who'll get less than ten points from Christmas onwards, we'll really be in the poo won't we?
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Post by march4 on Oct 30, 2014 16:46:01 GMT
I know my predictions are hit or miss but I am confident that we will finish the season above Soton and Wham in the table. Well if we can't finish above a team who'll get less than ten points from Christmas onwards, we'll really be in the poo won't we? I knew you couldn't resist that one Seriously, there is no need to worry about our current position.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 30, 2014 16:48:41 GMT
Worth reading this thread for Stafford's meltdown.
Smashing stuff.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 30, 2014 17:08:30 GMT
They have not helped, admittedly, but he has made plenty of unenforced changes.
Name them.
Ireland in and out. Adam in and out. Muniesa given two games then back to Pieters. Diouf in at least three positions. Arnie in, out and in again without any noticeable changes in form to justify it.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 30, 2014 17:09:29 GMT
No, everything TFP did was 100 percent perfect. It's why everone loved him unconditionally... Wasn't 10 years though was it..., I don't honestly know how long it was and I can't be arsed to check, I'd rather not remind myself. It seemed like a lifetime regardless of how long it actually was.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 30, 2014 17:10:38 GMT
I know my predictions are hit or miss but I am confident that we will finish the season above Soton and Wham in the table. 'Hit or miss'
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 17:15:48 GMT
Worth reading this thread for Stafford's meltdown. Smashing stuff. No meltdown, just given up on him.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 30, 2014 17:22:37 GMT
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 30, 2014 17:24:28 GMT
There are some very valid points being made on this thread as well as some astounding bollocks. Of course Hughes isn't above criticism but it's pure bullshit to say his signings haven't had an impact....MOSES?????? Really????? Bardsley????? Really??? I guess, whoever thinks he's made poor signings is talking about Bojan and, it's true, that he's seems to be struggling to settle. If it's Diouf in the firing line then we really do need to cut him a bit of slack since he's had niggling injuries and has been shoved out wide. I don't think there's too much wrong with us apart from some shocking individual errors at the back and not hitting the target often enough. I'm convinced we have the players to improve on both counts and I agree with the OP about fans having a little patience. I was a huge supporter of Pulis and had to eventually accept that it was time for him to go. I give Mark Hughes the same support. He took on a difficult task, all things considered, and did a great job last season and I'm optimistic that he'll get it right this season too but, at the moment, we're falling a little short of where we are capable of being. So, yes, fair enough if people wants to criticise him but I doubt too many are panicking.
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Post by rawli on Oct 30, 2014 17:38:22 GMT
I know my predictions are hit or miss but I am confident that we will finish the season above Soton and Wham in the table. Give me a shout when one of your 'hits' lands please.
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Post by rawli on Oct 30, 2014 17:40:32 GMT
Oh right, you go all radio rental, crucify Hughes and say he's taking us down with his gay footie, now you're saying as long as we hoof it you don't care what division we are in. Interesting.
Ay, I am happy to get relegated and I have always said that. I would rather watch us on the lower leagues. Money has fucked our game up and it pains me to say that our own fans are turning into the very fans we used to hate at other clubs. Sad times indeed. So following your logic you should really want Hughes in until the end of the season. This would mean his gay football would take us down to the promised land of the lower leagues.
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 30, 2014 17:41:33 GMT
There are some very valid points being made on this thread as well as some astounding bollocks. Of course Hughes isn't above criticism but it's pure bullshit to say his signings haven't had an impact....MOSES?????? Really????? Bardsley????? Really??? I guess, whoever thinks he's made poor signings is talking about Bojan and, it's true, that he's seems to be struggling to settle. If it's Diouf in the firing line then we really do need to cut him a bit of slack since he's had niggling injuries and has been shoved out wide. I don't think there's too much wrong with us apart from some shocking individual errors at the back and not hitting the target often enough. I'm convinced we have the players to improve on both counts and I agree with the OP about fans having a little patience. I was a huge supporter of Pulis and had to eventually accept that it was time for him to go. I give Mark Hughes the same support. He took on a difficult task, all things considered, and did a great job last season and I'm optimistic that he'll get it right this season too but, at the moment, we're falling a little short of where we are capable of being. So, yes, fair enough if people wants to criticise him but I doubt too many are panicking. I'll give you Moses. I don't share the enthusiasm for Bardsley who I think is ordinary and a booking waiting to happen. Diouf may yet come good but I find it strange that Hughes does not know what to do with a player he pursued for so long. The rest we could do without. It's not a great transfer record.
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