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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 30, 2014 14:16:01 GMT
The West Ham fans who were unhappy with Sam aren't fickle hypocrites - the things they were unhappy about have been fixed.
I don't think anyone seriously wants Hughes out beyond the previous manager's most extreme acolytes on here who aren't prepared to cut him a millionth of the slack they cut the old boss.
That said, Hughes shouldn't be above scrutiny while the team is underperforming.
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Post by eriksson74 on Oct 30, 2014 14:18:45 GMT
I was reading an old Oactcake Editoral the other day. It was from the same time now as last season and just after the 4-4 Birmingham cup game. Not sure if anyone can access and log it or not, but reading that you would not be suprised if you read that in this Saturdays editoral v West Ham.
Yes there are issues, just like last year, but we are also not that far away again
Whdelialah is spot on with the opening message.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 30, 2014 14:20:49 GMT
People always get concerned when we lose, it's natural and bar odd half hours here and there, we really haven't played very well. As for not 'heeding' lessons last year WD, is it really acceptable to wait until March every year to get our season going or for Arnie to do something useful? If I hear Mark and his team use the 'we get better in the second half of the season' line again, I'll punch my computer. March is an age away mate. We'll put a decent run together before then. Every team in the league has poor spells and good thoughout the campaign, it isn't unique to us. We shouldn't get too carried away when we hit a bit of form, but we equally shouldn't get suicidal when things aren't going our way. I don't think we'll be in a relegation scrap when we reach the end of the season. Theres 3 shitter teams than us dont worry about that !! I dont know why but I can see "the one who sall not be named" ending up at QPR and draggin them out of it, so Burnley, Sunderland and Leicester going down We'll be fine - 7th or 8th I reckon
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Oct 30, 2014 14:22:17 GMT
The West Ham fans who were unhappy with Sam aren't fickle hypocrites - the things they were unhappy about have been fixed. I don't think anyone seriously wants Hughes out beyond the previous manager's most extreme acolytes on here who aren't prepared to cut him a millionth of the slack they cut the old boss. That said, Hughes shouldn't be above scrutiny while the team is underperforming. I certainly don't want Hughes out for the next several games! But, the two basic failings of last season, poor defending, poor discipline are there again. Only PO's arrival when we were one place above the bottom three turned it around. So, let's get it sorted a.s.a.p. and a solid CH in January is an absolute priority!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:36:06 GMT
The concern I have is that Hughes doesn't appear to have learnt anything from last season.from the mediocre period up to xmas nor the few months after PO arrived when we were literally on fire. We seem to have gone backwards,maybe not so much results wise (although home results have to be a concern ) but certainly the style of play and the performances of many of the players.
Also his signings this time don't look to have improved the team much,if at all and now we have players out thru injury and suspension and are up against an in form West Ham next.
It's difficult to be too optimistic at the moment
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 14:36:19 GMT
I don't think people realise the havoc injuries have created for us this season. We see far bigger teams struggle when players are out so why Stoke would be different is anyone's guess.
The fact is that Mark Hughes isn't Tony Pulis and for some people that's hard to handle, especially when he continues to outperform him on a fraction of the budget. For me he's doing a brilliant job overall, but he should be criticised like the rest of us when he gets it wrong.
For what it's worth, I think he and his coaches need a re-think on the formation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:41:54 GMT
The West Ham fans who were unhappy with Sam aren't fickle hypocrites - the things they were unhappy about have been fixed. I don't think anyone seriously wants Hughes out beyond the previous manager's most extreme acolytes on here who aren't prepared to cut him a millionth of the slack they cut the old boss. That said, Hughes shouldn't be above scrutiny while the team is underperforming. I think it’s a bit soon to be suggesting that Sam has “fixed” it. We’re not even into double figures for games played yet. It appears they’ve got two decent forwards of course, so I’d imagine they’ll be fine again. I wouldn’t mind a few quid that we’ll finish above them mind. And it will only take a few games without a win before the same fans find their voice as Sam becomes a shit manager again overnight…. Digressing aside, it’s one thing discussing the issues that currently plague us. It’s perfectly reasonable to do that without calling Arnie a useless showpony, Bojan a waste of space and suggesting the Manager has completely lost the plot (paraphrasing – but all things I’ve seen written on here from various posters). Yes, we have things that need sorting out. We do have a man in charge that is more than capable of doing just that though. Hughes has a proven track record and there’s more evidence to suggest he’ll get it right than there is he’ll make a complete pigs ear of things. Is it too much to ask for a little patience at this early stage of the season?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 14:44:02 GMT
I am not panicking. I just hope he goes soon. He has us playing shit football nearly every week with all this pass it left, right and backwards bollox. There is no fight, passion or togetherness in the team. Set pieces are a total waste of time if we are taking them or defending them. He has turned a team into a bunch of individuals. This isn't about Mr Pulis and never was and I wouldn't have Mr Pulis back but I will as sure as fuck be glad to see the back of hughes! Feel free to shoot me down all you want but that is my honest opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 14:47:18 GMT
I am not panicking. I just hope he goes soon. He has us playing shit football nearly every week with all this pass it left, right and backwards bollox. There is no fight, passion or togetherness in the team. Set pieces are a total waste of time if we are taking them or defending them. He has turned a team into a bunch of individuals. This isn't about Mr Pulis and never was and I wouldn't have Mr Pulis back but I will as sure as fuck be glad to see the back of hughes! Feel free to shoot me down all you want but that is my honest opinion. Ahhhh, the "no fight, passion or togetherness" nonsense again. Didn't think it'd take long for that to make its return.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 30, 2014 14:48:08 GMT
I don't think people realise the havoc injuries have created for us this season. We see far bigger teams struggle when players are out so why Stoke would be different is anyone's guess. The fact is that Mark Hughes isn't Tony Pulis and for some people that's hard to handle, especially when he continues to outperform him on a fraction of the budget. For me he's doing a brilliant job overall, but he should be criticised like the rest of us when he gets it wrong. For what it's worth, I think he and his coaches need a re-think on the formation. The formation may be partly affecting things, BUT the tempo of our build up play is as fast as a stoned sloth!! This for me is the issue. SO come the West Ham game I would like to see 2 wingers on, from the off, and 2 strikers playing alongside each other. Fuck this "number 10" role or "in the hole" striker or whatever it is.....get them playing together as a strikeforce and get some tempo into it from the off out on the flanks.... I would make them train on this til their ears and eyes bled this week if I was Hughesy He can only do so much then its up to the players to step up to the plate
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 14:48:24 GMT
I am not panicking. I just hope he goes soon. He has us playing shit football nearly every week with all this pass it left, right and backwards bollox. There is no fight, passion or togetherness in the team. Set pieces are a total waste of time if we are taking them or defending them. He has turned a team into a bunch of individuals. This isn't about Mr Pulis and never was and I wouldn't have Mr Pulis back but I will as sure as fuck be glad to see the back of hughes! Feel free to shoot me down all you want but that is my honest opinion.
Pure unadulterated arse gravy. Opinion or not.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 30, 2014 14:49:21 GMT
"It isn't time to panic just yet"! True but I like your "little faith" being supported by the need not to panic YET! Precisely, when do you suggest we start panicking? After the W.H.U. game, away to Spurs, in four games time, the Christmas period? The 2nd best start ever to a premiership season You've lost me Third best on points after 9 games behind 11/12 and 9/10 but if we take into account the opposition quality probably our second worst after the first season back, nothing off Leicester, Villa, Sunderland and one point off QPR and Hull is not great
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 30, 2014 14:50:51 GMT
I am not panicking. I just hope he goes soon. He has us playing shit football nearly every week with all this pass it left, right and backwards bollox. There is no fight, passion or togetherness in the team. Set pieces are a total waste of time if we are taking them or defending them. He has turned a team into a bunch of individuals. This isn't about Mr Pulis and never was and I wouldn't have Mr Pulis back but I will as sure as fuck be glad to see the back of hughes! Feel free to shoot me down all you want but that is my honest opinion.
Pure unadulterated arse gravy. Opinion or not.
You put it so eliquently fella...I would call it just complete fuckin bollox meself
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 30, 2014 14:51:32 GMT
I am not panicking. I just hope he goes soon. He has us playing shit football nearly every week with all this pass it left, right and backwards bollox. There is no fight, passion or togetherness in the team. Set pieces are a total waste of time if we are taking them or defending them. He has turned a team into a bunch of individuals. This isn't about Mr Pulis and never was and I wouldn't have Mr Pulis back but I will as sure as fuck be glad to see the back of hughes! Feel free to shoot me down all you want but that is my honest opinion. No fight? Are you on drugs? What would you call coming back from 2-0 last night? Granted we didn't win, but to suggest we didn't have any fight is fucking nonsense of the highest order, even by your standards.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 14:55:02 GMT
I don't think people realise the havoc injuries have created for us this season. We see far bigger teams struggle when players are out so why Stoke would be different is anyone's guess. The fact is that Mark Hughes isn't Tony Pulis and for some people that's hard to handle, especially when he continues to outperform him on a fraction of the budget. For me he's doing a brilliant job overall, but he should be criticised like the rest of us when he gets it wrong. For what it's worth, I think he and his coaches need a re-think on the formation. The formation may be partly affecting things, BUT the tempo of our build up play is as fast as a stoned sloth!! This for me is the issue. SO come the West Ham game I would like to see 2 wingers on, from the off, and 2 strikers playing alongside each other. Fuck this "number 10" role or "in the hole" striker or whatever it is.....get them playing together as a strikeforce and get some tempo into it from the off out on the flanks.... I would make them train on this til their ears and eyes bled this week if I was Hughesy He can only do so much then its up to the players to step up to the plate
Fair point on the Tempo.
I think we'd be better off with a straight 4-4-2 but it's not de-rigueur is it.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 14:55:52 GMT
I am not panicking. I just hope he goes soon. He has us playing shit football nearly every week with all this pass it left, right and backwards bollox. There is no fight, passion or togetherness in the team. Set pieces are a total waste of time if we are taking them or defending them. He has turned a team into a bunch of individuals. This isn't about Mr Pulis and never was and I wouldn't have Mr Pulis back but I will as sure as fuck be glad to see the back of hughes! Feel free to shoot me down all you want but that is my honest opinion. No fight? Are you on drugs? What would you call coming back from 2-0 last night? Granted we didn't win, but to suggest we didn't have any fight is fucking nonsense of the highest order, even by your standards. Did you watch the half arsed tossers in the first half? They played about 15 passes and not 1 fuckin stoke player even attempted to win the fuckin ball. The sooner he fucks off the better. If you want to watch this shit then fine but give me in your face footie over this gay shit any day!
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 14:58:08 GMT
No fight? Are you on drugs? What would you call coming back from 2-0 last night? Granted we didn't win, but to suggest we didn't have any fight is fucking nonsense of the highest order, even by your standards. Did you watch the half arsed tossers in the first half? They played about 15 passes and not 1 fuckin stoke player even attempted to win the fuckin ball.the sooner he fucks off the better. If you want to watch this shit then find but give me in your face footie over this gay shit any day!
The gay shit that outperformed the in your face footie?
So as a Stoke supporter you would rather us play a brand of football that doesn't get as good results as another? Interesting.
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Post by elsidibe on Oct 30, 2014 14:59:49 GMT
The concern I have is that Hughes doesn't appear to have learnt anything from last season.from the mediocre period up to xmas nor the few months after PO arrived when we were literally on fire. Sorry to be pedantic but we were never literally on fire. Unless there was an occasion of which I'm not aware when someone put Arnautovic in charge of a barbecue.
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Post by crownmeking on Oct 30, 2014 15:01:45 GMT
No fight? Are you on drugs? What would you call coming back from 2-0 last night? Granted we didn't win, but to suggest we didn't have any fight is fucking nonsense of the highest order, even by your standards. Did you watch the half arsed tossers in the first half? They played about 15 passes and not 1 fuckin stoke player even attempted to win the fuckin ball. The sooner he fucks off the better. If you want to watch this shit then fine but give me in your face footie over this gay shit any day! The fact that the first half was shit but we pulled it back in the second illustrates my point perfectly regarding 'fight' - It takes fight to start the second half being 2-0 down to bring it back to level pegging. So your point about no fight is rubbish. I do accept your point about it not being the 'style' of football you like to watch, but don't confuse that with having no fight.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 15:01:56 GMT
Did you watch the half arsed tossers in the first half? They played about 15 passes and not 1 fuckin stoke player even attempted to win the fuckin ball.the sooner he fucks off the better. If you want to watch this shit then find but give me in your face footie over this gay shit any day!
The gay shit that outperformed the in your face footie?
So as a Stoke supporter you would rather us play a brand of football that doesn't get as good results as another? Interesting.
I would rather watch a brand of football that gets the crowd going. The brand that shows some fight and passion. I don't give a fuck what league we are in as long as the lads on the pitch give it their all and at the moment playing the shit we are they are not. I feel it is no coincidence that QPR played like a bunch if individuals.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 30, 2014 15:02:09 GMT
Clearly no need for the van for now is the time the management team to prove themselves as more than an impact team. They successfully changed the style last year and put together an excellent overall season of results, I thought we were a tad lucky and maybe ended up a little higher than performance merited but a great effort. Teams seem to have worked us out now and we seem to have adopted a strange hybrid style of long ball down the right and give it to Moses on the left. Despite all the anxiety over our defence, we are not conceding many and we have much better full back options than at any time in recent memory, both to the management's credit. But the attacking side of our game from back to front needs improvement. Despite signing 2 midfielders and 6 attacking players in the current squad, accepting one of whom is injured, only one was in our front 7 that started on Saturday and that is a loanee. I hear the point about spending but I assume Diouf, Assaidi, Odemwingie, Moses, Bojan, Arnie, Ireland are on good wages, plus the odd loan fee, as are Pieters and Muniesa, and we still have a core of the old squad who make up the bulk of most starting X!s so players should not be the issue provided the signings are right. I believe we have to trust Diouf to lead the line as he was presumably signed for, Crouch does give us options but his lack of mobility limited us severely last week at Southampton, and use his pace to stretch teams and create space to play through midfield. We should have enough managerial and on pitch talent to challenge for 10th at least but we need to be more aggressive in our approach to games
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:03:14 GMT
No fight? Are you on drugs? What would you call coming back from 2-0 last night? Granted we didn't win, but to suggest we didn't have any fight is fucking nonsense of the highest order, even by your standards. Did you watch the half arsed tossers in the first half? They played about 15 passes and not 1 fuckin stoke player even attempted to win the fuckin ball. The sooner he fucks off the better. If you want to watch this shit then fine but give me in your face footie over this gay shit any day! "Arse Gravy" doesn't really do that post justice.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 15:04:43 GMT
The gay shit that outperformed the in your face footie?
So as a Stoke supporter you would rather us play a brand of football that doesn't get as good results as another? Interesting.
I would rather watch a brand of football that gets the crowd going. The brand that shows some fight and passion. I don't give a fuck what league we are in as long as the lads on the pitch give it their all and at the moment playing the shit we are they are not. I feel it is no coincidence that QPR played like a bunch if individuals.
Oh right, you go all radio rental, crucify Hughes and say he's taking us down with his gay footie, now you're saying as long as we hoof it you don't care what division we are in. Interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:05:03 GMT
No fight? Are you on drugs? What would you call coming back from 2-0 last night? Granted we didn't win, but to suggest we didn't have any fight is fucking nonsense of the highest order, even by your standards. Did you watch the half arsed tossers in the first half? They played about 15 passes and not 1 fuckin stoke player even attempted to win the fuckin ball. The sooner he fucks off the better. If you want to watch this shit then fine but give me in your face footie over this gay shit any day!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 15:05:46 GMT
The gay shit that outperformed the in your face footie?
So as a Stoke supporter you would rather us play a brand of football that doesn't get as good results as another? Interesting.
I would rather watch a brand of football that gets the crowd going. The brand that shows some fight and passion. I don't give a fuck what league we are in as long as the lads on the pitch give it their all and at the moment playing the shit we are they are not. I feel it is no coincidence that QPR played like a bunch if individuals. You don't know what the fucking hell you're talking about. Honestly, you just constantly spout agenda-driven bilge. You should move to Sandbanks.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 30, 2014 15:08:41 GMT
The gay shit that outperformed the in your face footie?
So as a Stoke supporter you would rather us play a brand of football that doesn't get as good results as another? Interesting.
I would rather watch a brand of football that gets the crowd going. The brand that shows some fight and passion. I don't give a fuck what league we are in as long as the lads on the pitch give it their all and at the moment playing the shit we are they are not. I feel it is no coincidence that QPR played like a bunch if individuals. And what about his time with Wales, Blackburn, Man City and Fulham.. Agenda ridden bile.... Utterly pathetic. You should be ashamed young man. Ashamed.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 15:09:30 GMT
I would rather watch a brand of football that gets the crowd going. The brand that shows some fight and passion. I don't give a fuck what league we are in as long as the lads on the pitch give it their all and at the moment playing the shit we are they are not. I feel it is no coincidence that QPR played like a bunch if individuals.
Oh right, you go all radio rental, crucify Hughes and say he's taking us down with his gay footie, now you're saying as long as we hoof it you don't care what division we are in. Interesting.
Ay, I am happy to get relegated and I have always said that. I would rather watch us on the lower leagues. Money has fucked our game up and it pains me to say that our own fans are turning into the very fans we used to hate at other clubs. Sad times indeed.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 30, 2014 15:17:59 GMT
I can't get my head around why the OP has created this thread? There is huge support for Hughes and two supporters who want him out, what's the problem?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Oct 30, 2014 15:22:10 GMT
Oh right, you go all radio rental, crucify Hughes and say he's taking us down with his gay footie, now you're saying as long as we hoof it you don't care what division we are in. Interesting.
Ay, I am happy to get relegated and I have always said that. I would rather watch us on the lower leagues. Money has fucked our game up and it pains me to say that our own fans are turning into the very fans we used to hate at other clubs. Sad times indeed. A staggering post Stafford, even for you
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 15:23:06 GMT
Oh right, you go all radio rental, crucify Hughes and say he's taking us down with his gay footie, now you're saying as long as we hoof it you don't care what division we are in. Interesting.
Ay, I am happy to get relegated and I have always said that. I would rather watch us on the lower leagues. Money has fucked our game up and it pains me to say that our own fans are turning into the very fans we used to hate at other clubs. Sad times indeed.
You've totally mugged yourself off on this one mate.
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