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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2014 8:44:49 GMT
Just mentioned it on another thread but maybe its worthy of a discussion of its own.
Hes a good leader by example for sure but is he too quiet during a game? He should be shouting at his midfielders to close down the ball. He is so focused on his own game he doesnt command the other players in the team.
Would like to see Adam given the captains armband because a) he gets us playing in the right direction whenever hes on the pitch and b) hes a very vocal guy in the centre of the park. He just looks like a natural leader to me.
Thoughts?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 8:49:10 GMT
I think he talks plenty to be honest.
He's really grown into the role over the last couple of years and I think he's now an excellent leader.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 8:51:00 GMT
First half last night I heard him barking out instructions plain as day.
I honestly think all this England talk and the way he plays BULLSHIT is affecting him at the moment.
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Post by andylgr on Oct 30, 2014 8:53:56 GMT
He talks a lot during games. Its just you can't hear it all the time.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2014 9:07:07 GMT
yeah I guess it would be a bad idea to take the captaincy off him given hes annoyed about the England ommission. Best that we keep him happy at the moment.
Still would like to see Adam maybe made vice-captain or something. Hes so important to our team at this moment
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 9:08:50 GMT
He talks plenty, he's fine as captain.
Captaincy in football is pretty much meaningless anyway, what does a football captain actually do? Poses for a photo prior to kick-off, participate in the coin-toss, swap a Pennant (in the old days, not Jermaine) and shouts "Come on lads, who wants it?" Organisation and motivation can come from any player, players will either listen or not, doesn't matter if the person shouting at them is the captain or not.
The only responsibility he really has is to act as a medium between fellow players and the officials. That often flies out of the window when 15 players surround the ref.
In other sports captaincy can be crucial, in this game it's not. You don't lose a game, concede a goal, pick the wrong team, play players in the wrong positions, pick the incorrect formation, have a terrible run of results, lose discipline and collectively make bad decisions in a game because of who has the captains armband on.
Does Ryan have a column in the match day programme? That's highly important, we wouldn't have gotten promotion is it wasn't for Dom Matteo's wise words.
We've got numerous issues at the moment, Ryan being captain isn't even worth an honourary mention.
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Post by heavysoul on Oct 30, 2014 9:20:59 GMT
Just mentioned it on another thread but maybe its worthy of a discussion of its own. Hes a good leader by example for sure but is he too quiet during a game? He should be shouting at his midfielders to close down the ball. He is so focused on his own game he doesnt command the other players in the team. Would like to see Adam given the captains armband because a) he gets us playing in the right direction whenever hes on the pitch and b) hes a very vocal guy in the centre of the park. He just looks like a natural leader to me. Thoughts? I said this on another thread. Adam gives everything and I have seen him being vocal on the pitch.
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Post by thebet365 on Oct 30, 2014 10:06:55 GMT
Just mentioned it on another thread but maybe its worthy of a discussion of its own. Hes a good leader by example for sure but is he too quiet during a game? He should be shouting at his midfielders to close down the ball. He is so focused on his own game he doesnt command the other players in the team. Would like to see Adam given the captains armband because a) he gets us playing in the right direction whenever hes on the pitch and b) hes a very vocal guy in the centre of the park. He just looks like a natural leader to me. Thoughts? Too Quiet ? He's the 1 voice you can hear screaming orders at his back line. He might not get involved enough with our forward unit vocally but he's the 1 that sorts out the important back end.
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 10:22:20 GMT
Just mentioned it on another thread but maybe its worthy of a discussion of its own. Hes a good leader by example for sure but is he too quiet during a game? He should be shouting at his midfielders to close down the ball. He is so focused on his own game he doesnt command the other players in the team. Would like to see Adam given the captains armband because a) he gets us playing in the right direction whenever hes on the pitch and b) hes a very vocal guy in the centre of the park. He just looks like a natural leader to me. Thoughts? Is he too quiet, doesn't command the other players in the team, should be shouting at his midfielders.. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...He never let's fcuking up. Great captain.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:49:58 GMT
He talks plenty, he's fine as captain. Captaincy in football is pretty much meaningless anyway, what does a football captain actually do? Poses for a photo prior to kick-off, participate in the coin-toss, swap a Pennant (in the old days, not Jermaine) and shouts "Come on lads, who wants it?" Organisation and motivation can come from any player, players will either listen or not, doesn't matter if the person shouting at them is the captain or not. The only responsibility he really has is to act as a medium between fellow players and the officials. That often flies out of the window when 15 players surround the ref. In other sports captaincy can be crucial, in this game it's not. You don't lose a game, concede a goal, pick the wrong team, play players in the wrong positions, pick the incorrect formation, have a terrible run of results, lose discipline and collectively make bad decisions in a game because of who has the captains armband on. Does Ryan have a column in the match day programme? That's highly important, we wouldn't have gotten promotion is it wasn't for Dom Matteo's wise words. We've got numerous issues at the moment, Ryan being captain isn't even worth an honourary mention. He also represents the club and what it stands for, and despite the media campaign against Ryan, I wouldn't want anyone else as the face of this club. Right now, I'd quite happily have him on the front of every programme. We support our own, like we are with Iwelumo.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 12:51:02 GMT
What a silly thread.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:57:16 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 30, 2014 13:08:00 GMT
Mistake by Pulis to make him a captain
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 13:09:38 GMT
Mistake by Pulis to make him a captain Thanks for that cock.
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Post by stokeramblers on Oct 30, 2014 13:10:28 GMT
Mistake by Pulis to make him a captain Not an easy one though as you need to pick someone who will play every game.. Begovic..? I'd say Whelan personally but it's a tough one. Adam maybe.. but he's not a guaranteed starter and finisher of games
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Post by broomey1983 on Oct 30, 2014 13:10:51 GMT
i thought he shouldnt be captain when he first got it, but hes got better at it. I cant think of any other player more suited in the team either
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 13:10:52 GMT
Mistake by Pulis to make him a captain Thanks for that cock. You should've really put a comma in there.
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Post by unknown182 on Oct 30, 2014 13:13:03 GMT
If we were to change captain I'd go with Begovic before Adam.
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Post by nik80 on Oct 30, 2014 13:13:36 GMT
Just mentioned it on another thread but maybe its worthy of a discussion of its own. Hes a good leader by example for sure but is he too quiet during a game? He should be shouting at his midfielders to close down the ball. He is so focused on his own game he doesnt command the other players in the team. Would like to see Adam given the captains armband because a) he gets us playing in the right direction whenever hes on the pitch and b) hes a very vocal guy in the centre of the park. He just looks like a natural leader to me. Thoughts? I take your point on Adam, he would make a worthy captain in my mind too, but Ryan's not done anything to warrant taking the arm band off him, and when the likes of Charlie and Whelan are on the pitch too, they're very vocal anyway. An armband's nothing really.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 30, 2014 13:15:25 GMT
Mistake by Pulis to make him a captain Thanks for that cock. No problem duck
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 30, 2014 13:17:46 GMT
He has never been the real captain, Delap was and now Whelan,
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 19:27:09 GMT
On the streams last night you saw his movements and talking to shape the defence for a set piece, gesturing Cameron into position and making sure everyone around him was doing their job. Not to mention stepping in before Adam talked himself into a red card. He's absolutely fine as captain, there wouldn't be a better option in the side.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 19:34:34 GMT
I think he's the right man for the captain's role. But whether you believe he should or shouldn't be the captain, now wouldn't be the time to take it off him. The whole footballing world seems to have it in for him at the moment. He needs to know we're backing him.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 30, 2014 21:00:40 GMT
It's a good thread. When a team is playing badly/inconsistently then the blame game begins. Coates gets criticism for under investment. Hughes gets criticism for line ups and subs. The players get criticism for lacklustre displays. Why not question the Captain's role in all this? To be fair Shawcross has had a couple of below average performances himself this season. I think he was too quiet in previous seasons but he's growing into the role. Sentinel OatcakeAdam mentioned previously. I like that idea. He can go the 90 mins and if he doesn't then he just slings the armband to Crouch or Begovic or Shawcross or Whelan etc, etc for the last 15. Probably too late now the season has started.
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Post by stokesaint1 on Oct 31, 2014 12:16:45 GMT
Shawcross is an excellent captain. With less people in the ground on Wednesday, it was possible to actually hear how vocal he is and how he directs play and position. He gives his all game after game and I'm certainly chuffed that he's a Stokie and captain. The media campaign against him currently is an absolute disgrace and must be hurting him but doesn't seem to impact on the pitch. For me, Ryan is a true leader and I just wish others gave as much and performed as well as him, game after game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 12:25:22 GMT
Shawcross is a brilliant captain and leader.
End of thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2014 12:36:20 GMT
I think Ryan is the right choice but I do agree Adam would be a good alternative. As I witnessed the other day Adam at the moment is the driving force behind our midfield and only his introduction the other day got us going as an attacking threat.
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