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Post by crapslinger on Oct 30, 2014 8:11:41 GMT
Is the lack of investment on players since Hughes took over a result of the Pulis Legacy, or is it simply that the Coates family are losing interest in the club ?
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2014 8:14:53 GMT
They have ploughed money into the training ground and the academy structure. They always said they want to operate without huge losses.
We have one of the the highest wage bill as % of turnover in the league and we are still posting losses.
This "lack of investment" is a bullshit line to be honest. It is lower than it was in previous years but we are still losing millions every season at the rate we are going.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Oct 30, 2014 8:16:38 GMT
TP is not solely to blame but he is a factor.
His alleged ignorance regarding the academy in favour of tried and tested professionals on higher wages is clearly starting to bite the club in the arse.
Not all his fault though.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 30, 2014 8:19:05 GMT
They have ploughed money into the training ground and the academy structure. They always said they want to operate without huge losses. We have one of the the highest wage bill as % of turnover in the league and we are still posting losses. This "lack of investment" is a bullshit line to be honest. It is lower than it was in previous years but we are still losing millions every season at the rate we are going. Hopefully the training ground and academy structure will keep us up this season. |
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Post by agingerstokie on Oct 30, 2014 8:19:38 GMT
As much as I would love us to start rolling out talents from the academy we have to be realistic in the area we are in I don't know how we can make ourselves the most attractive option besides players like Shenton who have Stoke in their hearts
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Post by stokiejoe on Oct 30, 2014 8:22:32 GMT
It was published a few times that money was available for the right player. I was more than happy with our signings, would have liked Yarmalenko ( even more with hindsight) , they are just not performing (or like Sidwell being given a chance). What worries me most is the level if injuries, particularly in training.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2014 8:27:46 GMT
Also we did sign SEVEN players this season. Everyone keeps saying we paid no transfer fees, so are NOT investing. But we spunked millions in signing on fees and giving Diouf a 60k a week salary!
He was our BIG investment and should be our star player because hes definitely on the highest wage of anyone at the club. It just turns out hes a slight upgrade on SJW
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Post by BristolMick on Oct 30, 2014 8:35:54 GMT
TP is not solely to blame but he is a factor. His alleged ignorance regarding the academy in favour of tried and tested professionals on higher wages is clearly starting to bite the club in the arse. Not all his fault though. We are a well run club compared to most but we are only 18 months into a new philosophy that will increasingly concentrate on player development and a style that is sustainable whoever the manager is. If we can emulate Swansea and Southampton we will have a bright future and plenty of excitement along the way. BM |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 8:44:26 GMT
Here's the crux of it. Other clubs are investing because they shift players on for big money. It's self perpetuating. Us, we can't sell anyone coz no fucker wants 'em.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 30, 2014 8:47:21 GMT
Here's the crux of it. Other clubs are investing because they shift players on for big money. It's self perpetuating. Us, we can't sell anyone coz no fucker wants 'em. The newthink on this messageboard seems to be We win = Hughes is brilliant We lose = It is TP's fault |
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 8:52:55 GMT
Here's the crux of it. Other clubs are investing because they shift players on for big money. It's self perpetuating. Us, we can't sell anyone coz no fucker wants 'em. The newthink on this messageboard seems to be We win = Hughes is brilliant We lose = It is TP's fault
Yeah, we've moved on from
We win = Pulis is brilliant
We lose = It is the players fault
If you really believe that our past transfer dealings are not affecting the club then you really are clueless.
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Post by BristolMick on Oct 30, 2014 8:53:18 GMT
Here's the crux of it. Other clubs are investing because they shift players on for big money. It's self perpetuating. Us, we can't sell anyone coz no fucker wants 'em. The newthink on this messageboard seems to be We win = Hughes is brilliant We lose = It is TP's It's a funny thing because I know people who refuse to give Hughes any credit for taking us to our highest ever PL finish last season but start ranting and raving about him every time we lose and going on and on about how such defeats never happened under TFP. BM |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 9:04:34 GMT
How in the name of my fat hairy balls has this codswallop avoided the shit bin?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 9:13:46 GMT
How in the name of my fat hairy balls has this codswallop avoided the shit bin? Sweetcheeks,
It will be on the way now  X
GD
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 9:15:22 GMT
What legacy?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 9:21:53 GMT
The only legacy I can think of is that all of our current best players were signed by Pulis. |
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Post by wuzza on Oct 30, 2014 9:29:55 GMT
As I see it -
1. Pulis brought in a fortune to this organisation by keeping us in the Premier League so forget blaming him for goodness sake.
2. We have chosen not to sell the players that could have raked money in for us (so far)- we cant really complain about that.
3. The owners in their wisdom have decided to adopt the approach they have - there will be a period of pain and then we will find out if it works or not. Hughes cant be blamed for the quality of player he brings in while this policy is in force but he can be held to account for the way in which he uses them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 9:39:32 GMT
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 30, 2014 10:21:10 GMT
As much as I would love us to start rolling out talents from the academy we have to be realistic in the area we are in I don't know how we can make ourselves the most attractive option besides players like Shenton who have Stoke in their hearts If a player thinks they've a chance to make it into the first team squad and there's a manager in place who gives youth a chance then I'd imagine most academy players will go where there's a chance unless they have another reason such as support for that club etc. I think Shenton's involvement with the first team is good for the player but also good for recruitment of newer academy players. |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 30, 2014 11:00:55 GMT
How in the name of my fat hairy balls has this codswallop avoided the shit bin? But you posted on it  . |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 30, 2014 11:04:55 GMT
As I see it - 1. Pulis brought in a fortune to this organisation by keeping us in the Premier League so forget blaming him for goodness sake. 2. We have chosen not to sell the players that could have raked money in for us (so far)- we cant really complain about that. 3. The owners in their wisdom have decided to adopt the approach they have - there will be a period of pain and then we will find out if it works or not. Hughes cant be blamed for the quality of player he brings in while this policy is in force but he can be held to account for the way in which he uses them. I have to agree with 2., 1. so why was he sacked by the organisation? 3., why have the owners changed their investment strategy so radically since Pulis was sacked, though I agree Hughes should be accountable about the use of the freebies etc he has acquired so far. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 11:29:22 GMT
Here's the crux of it. Other clubs are investing because they shift players on for big money. It's self perpetuating. Us, we can't sell anyone coz no fucker wants 'em. The newthink on this messageboard seems to be We win = Hughes is brilliant We lose = It is TP's fault I'd go for We win = Why didn't we win by more, we didn't absolutely batter them, we got a lucky decision. We lose = Hughes out, we need the saviour back. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 30, 2014 11:40:50 GMT
What a load of shite.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 11:42:00 GMT
The only legacy I can think of is that all of our current best players were signed by Pulis. I'll give you that one sheikh. That 4 year loan of Victor Moses he set up was genius. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 11:57:01 GMT
The only legacy I can think of is that all of our current best players were signed by Pulis. I'll give you that one sheikh. That 4 year loan of Victor Moses he set up was genius. Victor isn't our player old fruit. The best players for Stoke this season who actually belong to Stoke Bego - Great signing by TP Ryan - One of the best signings in the history of the club by TP Glenda - Would walk POTY if voted on now. Top stuff TP Adam - Our only genuine goal scoring creative spark. Wonderful TP signing Crouch - Super player. Good work TP Throw in N'Zonzi, SJW and Wilson and you soon see the legacy is the backbone of our team and how poor our recent transfer dealings have been. |
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Post by Davef on Oct 30, 2014 12:12:59 GMT
How in the name of my fat hairy balls has this codswallop avoided the shit bin? There was another thread on the board last night about how great we were at set pieces under Pulis, which, since I was last online, has been anchored by another mod. In the interests of balance, I'll do the same with this one. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 12:19:52 GMT
I'll give you that one sheikh. That 4 year loan of Victor Moses he set up was genius. Victor isn't our player old fruit. The best players for Stoke this season who actually belong to Stoke Bego - Great signing by TP Ryan - One of the best signings in the history of the club by TP Glenda - Would walk POTY if voted on now. Top stuff TP Adam - Our only genuine goal scoring creative spark. Wonderful TP signing Crouch - Super player. Good work TP Throw in N'Zonzi, SJW and Wilson and you soon see the legacy is the backbone of our team and how poor our recent transfer dealings have been. Nzonzi you say? |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 30, 2014 12:19:56 GMT
How in the name of my fat hairy balls has this codswallop avoided the shit bin? Sweetcheeks,
It will be on the way now X
GD
Moan moan mard arse gets his own way shock horror  |
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 30, 2014 12:21:47 GMT
Victor isn't our player old fruit. The best players for Stoke this season who actually belong to Stoke Bego - Great signing by TP Ryan - One of the best signings in the history of the club by TP Glenda - Would walk POTY if voted on now. Top stuff TP Adam - Our only genuine goal scoring creative spark. Wonderful TP signing Crouch - Super player. Good work TP Throw in N'Zonzi, SJW and Wilson and you soon see the legacy is the backbone of our team and how poor our recent transfer dealings have been. Nzonzi you say? Wilson you say?, Adam who Pulis had not got a clue what to do with? |
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:27:31 GMT
I'll give you that one sheikh. That 4 year loan of Victor Moses he set up was genius. Victor isn't our player old fruit. The best players for Stoke this season who actually belong to Stoke Bego - Great signing by TP Ryan - One of the best signings in the history of the club by TP Glenda - Would walk POTY if voted on now. Top stuff TP Adam - Our only genuine goal scoring creative spark. Wonderful TP signing Crouch - Super player. Good work TP Throw in N'Zonzi, SJW and Wilson and you soon see the legacy is the backbone of our team and how poor our recent transfer dealings have been. I'm sorry Sheikh, but this is plain wrong. Please sort your agenda. I absolutely love Tony but just the content of this message is wrong. The best players this season, note the 'this season' is the term you used, not me: Bego - Fucked up in our first two games and hasn't looked his brilliant. Looked better last night but far from our best player. Still a world class keeper though, so I agree, an excellent signing. Ryan - Agree, Shawcross is probably the best signing in 20 years and is the only one keeping it together right now. Whelan - Has looked tidy when he played, but for several years looked lost at Prem level, it was Hughes who utilized him. Adam - Inconsistent. Crouch - Overpriced but has been a good signing for the club. Has played a role this year. Throw in N'Zonzi who has been outright inconsistent and for me only looked outstanding against Man Citeh and Swansea. Super Jon is on the decline. Wilson hasn't looked comfortable in any position he's played? You forget that Bardsley has shone this season (despite my initial feelings that he is no better than Cameron), Moses has looked excellent, Diouf has looked good, we know Arnautovic has it in him, Muniesa is a class act for the future. |
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