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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 29, 2014 23:30:30 GMT
Another disappointing night , credit for the spirited fight back but the first half was as bad as I can remember we got nowhere near them . Having played them only on Saturday to start like that was simply shocking . We are not a technically good side , we are not quick enough , bright enough or sharp enough to play the way .
We get a goal out of the blue from a previously dire Nzonzi then we start to play in a better way , Adam comes on and we start to dominate the game because we are direct and aggressive and the crowd wake from their slumber and until the sending off we had 15-20mins where we looked the better side , without the sending off we may have won the game . Diouf has pace and strength to trouble teams if we get the ball to him quickly .m
We really need to bin the sideways walking football or we may be in trouble .
PS How did Arnowtavic last 90 minutes useless tonight
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 29, 2014 23:35:51 GMT
I think Adam is the key to this, the problem is he is so incredibly inconsistent that he can win or lose us the game in equal measure. I though he was excellent tonight but crap on Saturday.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 29, 2014 23:39:20 GMT
Arnie had a decent second half but he let's himself drift out of games. He's got quality but we need to keep him involved and on the ball more.
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Post by tracksuittony on Oct 29, 2014 23:42:09 GMT
Sack Arnautovic off until he shows more, get a solid CB in in January, and go back to the good old 4-4-2 we used in the FA Cup Final season. We have the wingers to attack teams and with Crouch and Diouf up front two good people to work off. Sit Whelan and N'Zonzi infront of a more solid back four and I believe were nearly there.
We look lost with the formation at the moment and some of the link up play looks atrocious. We run forward time after time into the final third just to have no players within 20 yards of the ball and apart from Walters I didn't see anyone really attacking the by-line to whip a decent ball in like the old days. Saying that when the balls out wide we don't look like we really want to get players in the box. I notice were also trying to start a majority of our attacks SO deep into the oppositions half which allows no space to work with either. I can see potential but it's not all there at the moment and we need a shake-up because for large periods things look stale.
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Post by upthefud on Oct 30, 2014 0:43:14 GMT
Another disappointing night , credit for the spirited fight back but the first half was as bad as I can remember we got nowhere near them . Having played them only on Saturday to start like that was simply shocking . We are not a technically good side , we are not quick enough , bright enough or sharp enough to play the way . We get a goal out of the blue from a previously dire Nzonzi then we start to play in a better way , Adam comes on and we start to dominate the game because we are direct and aggressive and the crowd wake from their slumber and until the sending off we had 15-20mins where we looked the better side , without the sending off we may have won the game . Diouf has pace and strength to trouble teams if we get the ball to him quickly .m We really need to bin the sideways walking football or we may be in trouble . PS How did Arnowtavic last 90 minutes useless tonight Completely and utterly agree. I think our problem is N'Zonzi as he slows the play every time he gets on the ball. For all his faults Charlie offers us more in that position than N'Zonzi does. Have we ever looked less solid during our time in the prem?
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 30, 2014 0:46:42 GMT
Get Rory in. FFS do we waste throw ins these days!!!!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 30, 2014 0:48:13 GMT
Get Rory in. FFS do we waste throw ins these days!!!! We piss corners up the wall the majority of the time as well, a worrying amount aren't even beating the first man.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 30, 2014 0:52:57 GMT
Get Rory in. FFS do we waste throw ins these days!!!! We piss corners up the wall the majority of the time as well, a worrying amount aren't even beating the first man. Corners have needed attention for yonks.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 30, 2014 8:03:51 GMT
Actually scored from one of Adam's but I don't think Bojan beat the first man with any of his very disappointing , also our centre backs don't look like they have confidence to score Wilson had half a chance from one but lacked conviction
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Post by andylgr on Oct 30, 2014 8:41:57 GMT
I think our problem is that we try to build from the back but we lack the movement and ability of the players in front of the back 4 to then break teams down. We were getting no where first half.
The second half reminded of the good things in how we could play under Pulis. High intensity, pressuring the ball high up the pitch, getting corsses and corners in the box. And their defence were struggling to cope when we played like that. Think of those few months around the FA cup run or the boxing day Liverpool victory a couple of years ago.
We are not good enough to try and play around teams because we aren't as mobile.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 8:56:59 GMT
Second half showed what can be done playing a 442 with Charlie in the team.
For the majority of the time Charlie partnered N'Zonzi, Southampton couldn't live with us.
Not sure about those suggesting N'zonzi should be dropped as he complemented Adam really well.
The tempo thing is something we discussed on the way home (not only tempo but mixing it up more too).
We aren't good enough to walk the ball into the net so we need more crosses and more shots which automatically come by playing at a higher pace.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:08:26 GMT
Second half showed what can be done playing a 442 with Charlie in the team. For the majority of the time Charlie partnered N'Zonzi, Southampton couldn't live with us. Not sure about those suggesting N'zonzi should be dropped as he complemented Adam really well. The tempo thing is something we discussed on the way home (not only tempo but mixing it up more too). We aren't good enough to walk the ball into the net so we need more crosses and more shots which automatically come by playing at a higher pace. Sorry Jamo, but right now, I feel I've given N'Zonzi enough chances. I've defended him countless times when others on here have been calling him turnback etc, but his first half performance was just as shite as everyone else's. He needs to stand up like the rest. Yes he got the goal and I'm chuffed for him, but right now as far as I'm concerned, he is hanging on for grim life in that midfield. His performance on Saturday was atrocious, and the first half of yesterday wasn't much better.
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Post by Davef on Oct 30, 2014 12:49:14 GMT
The movement from our front players in the first half was little short of a joke though, so I'm not quite sure what you were expecting Nzonzi to do with the ball?
He proved with his goal though that he's got what it takes to drive at defences and get a shot in, and that's something that he really needs to do more of.
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Post by eriksson74 on Oct 30, 2014 13:54:58 GMT
I don't get all this Nzonzi bashing at all, time and time again you see him pick it up deep, drive us forward and takes the game past their midfield. The problem is at times is that the defence doesn't push up closing play down, forcing the midfielders up past Zonz and its then that the only option when faced with 6 defenders agisnt 1/2 stoke players is to stop, keep the ball and go again. I would rather him keep the ball and Stoke go again then see us loose possesion when on the front foot and get caught.
Last night it was apparent that the (starnge as it may sound) the defence are the biggest culprits, particularly Pieters and everyones favourite other scapegoat at present Wilson are guilty of slowing play down. Constantly Pieters turns back after the ball is received from Wilson or Shawcross and Wilson just passes sideways.
The problem with that is when the midfilers make the run to find space and don't get the ball, they are tracked more easily.
I agree with the initial assessment that we need to play more high tempo and quicker, I just don't think or see how its all down to N'zonsi
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Post by fentonsaint on Oct 30, 2014 14:12:33 GMT
Get Rory in. FFS do we waste throw ins these days!!!! We piss corners up the wall the majority of the time as well, a worrying amount aren't even beating the first man. The corner you scored from yesterday was excellent. Whipped in with accuracy and power. Compare that to every saints corner we had yesterday.
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Post by pedro23 on Oct 30, 2014 14:35:29 GMT
We need drive, aggression, and inventiveness from midfield. So where do we get that from? It is clear to me with all his faults Adam has to be a shoe in. I was hoping Cameron could also provide this, and he may yet well do.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Oct 30, 2014 15:09:49 GMT
We piss corners up the wall the majority of the time as well, a worrying amount aren't even beating the first man. The corner you scored from yesterday was excellent. Whipped in with accuracy and power. Compare that to every saints corner we had yesterday. Trust me mate that was a one off, they've been utter shit for a good while.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 15:15:13 GMT
I think Adam is the key to this, the problem is he is so incredibly inconsistent that he can win or lose us the game in equal measure. I though he was excellent tonight but crap on Saturday. I think he is more the Problem, he doesn't offer enough to the team, to immobile and a liability, as I've mentioned before, I'd be looking for a new AM in Jan.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Oct 30, 2014 22:12:59 GMT
Nzonzi has great ability as again proved by his goal , however surely we had to get in to Southamptons faces and knock them off their stride from minute one and first half both him and Cameron were totally ineffective , the effort level from him at times has to be a lot higher , he can't cruise through long periods in games . To be fair Bojan tried to make himself available and Diouf never stopped working , but Arnie sadly gave them no help and Walters for all his effort is no real wide man
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