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Post by jollypotter89 on Oct 29, 2014 22:38:11 GMT
Not looking at the ball once for the first and going in elbow up is a clear yellow, the second looked like studs up (need a replay), both yellow. I agree he could have warned him, but he doesn't have to. Very true but where was the yellow for Schneiderlein after his studs up tackle on Walters on the first half? Where was the yellow for Forster for time wasting that started right from our first goal? Are we picking and choosing where and how we referee to the letter of the law? Comes down to tolerance, I personally think a ref should only get their cards out when it's absolutely necessary - especially the red one! Even though I'll admit those people saying Crouch should have used his common sense, have a point - Do those fouls together really warrant a red card? And ultimately be hugely decisive in deciding what was a really good game.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 29, 2014 22:41:00 GMT
Very true but where was the yellow for Schneiderlein after his studs up tackle on Walters on the first half? Where was the yellow for Forster for time wasting that started right from our first goal? Are we picking and choosing where and how we referee to the letter of the law? No, didn't realise it was studs up on Walters, didn't look like that at the time. Still don't think the ref was that bad though. The ref was fucking toss if that had been Walters on Shniderling it would of at least at least been a yellow probably red as it was a Stoke player they had one yellow for descent not for one foul when they committed as many similar fouls! When he booked Adam he played on gave no foul and when the Soton player stayed down rolling around he then stopped play and booked Adam simply because the Soton player was rolling around in comedy fashion!
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Post by bambered on Oct 29, 2014 22:45:14 GMT
I thought the incident where he asked Bardsley to throw it out for a goal kick was shocking. We played the ball into the corner and gave them ample time to deal with it, Walters having seen them time wasting from the moment the second half kicked off decided to force them to get a move on and he had every right to do it. Spot on. Southampton looked superb first half. (with our help) So can't understand the need for blatant time wasting, If the second half had gone anything like the first, we'd have got hammered. Have to say that the ref was very poor again. He never even warned the keeper about time wasting, which he was blatantly doing.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 29, 2014 22:52:59 GMT
I thought the tackle on Walters in the first half was a foul and a card, yes he got the ball but was out of control with studs up. If it had been a Stoke player he would have given a foul and a Yellow! I was pissed off and had retreated to the concourse by the time Schneiderlin made that tackle on Walters so I saw it on the CCTV in real time & slow motion replay. It was studs up and out of control and if committed by a Stoke player would have been a definite red - and we couldn't have complained. That biased twat Mason didn't even give a free kick. And people saying can't complain about Crouch's 2 yellows - his first foul should not have been a yellow. Been on the pitch 5 minutes, gave the Southampton player a bit of a nudge. Said Southampton player made the most of it, Mason couldn't wait to get the card out. Southampton have made a habit of play acting ever since they came back up, remember Jack Cork, god rest his soul. Glad to see his brother was able to get a few minutes in tonight.
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Oct 29, 2014 23:00:05 GMT
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Post by ursems2boots on Oct 29, 2014 23:00:05 GMT
Wreckless studs up challenge...not even a foul - summed up Mason's incompetence for the whole evening
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2014 23:01:56 GMT
The first booking for Crouch is laughable.
Special mention for the liner by the Seddon. The only foul he gave he was facing the Boothen and could have in no way shape or form seen the foul.
More ridiculous, incompetent, biased, damn right cheating officiating.
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Oct 29, 2014 23:03:34 GMT
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 29, 2014 23:03:34 GMT
Very true but where was the yellow for Schneiderlein after his studs up tackle on Walters on the first half? Where was the yellow for Forster for time wasting that started right from our first goal? Are we picking and choosing where and how we referee to the letter of the law? No, didn't realise it was studs up on Walters, didn't look like that at the time. Still don't think the ref was that bad though. The lack of punishment for time wasting really got me.It was an obvious ploy from the goalkeeper and he was warned,but continued to do it and no card was produced.Mason not normally to bad,tonight he was poor I thought.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 29, 2014 23:07:04 GMT
I thought the incident where he asked Bardsley to throw it out for a goal kick was shocking. We played the ball into the corner and gave them ample time to deal with it, Walters having seen them time wasting from the moment the second half kicked off decided to force them to get a move on and he had every right to do it. Spot on. Southampton looked superb first half. (with our help) So can't understand the need for blatant time wasting, If the second half had gone anything like the first, we'd have got hammered. Have to say that the ref was very poor again. He never even warned the keeper about time wasting, which he was blatantly doing. I saw him tell him mate,which makes it worse as he ignored it and carried on.That is when he should have been carded.
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Post by scfcwebby on Oct 29, 2014 23:07:49 GMT
I said a couple of times tonight it is pointless having linesmen anymore because they just wait to see what the ref gives and then agree with them
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Post by 2004 on Oct 30, 2014 0:03:59 GMT
He is a prick. He goes in dangerously and 2 footed hard every time but then rolls around when he gets tapped. Another one who has been taking lessons of Jack Cork.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 0:08:06 GMT
Crouch's first yellow card was an utter joke. What the fuck was he thinking with his tackle 2 minutes later though, absolutely braindead from the big man....
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Post by philm87 on Oct 30, 2014 0:08:32 GMT
I honestly think it was personal tonight. Really think Mason has something against us.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 30, 2014 0:32:13 GMT
Both together equal 1 yellow, at a push! Why not warn him for the first one (It wasn't dangerous, these referee's need to realise players aren't made of glass) - then book him for the second, if he must. Like I say, apply a bit of common sense - keep the game 11 vs. 11 Not looking at the ball once for the first and going in elbow up is a clear yellow, the second looked like studs up (need a replay), both yellow. I agree he could have warned him, but he doesn't have to. No he didn't. The Soton player made such a meal of it (for the first) - it wasn't even a foul. Not even close. The second was a yellow. Harshly it could be considered a red.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 0:36:43 GMT
Not looking at the ball once for the first and going in elbow up is a clear yellow, the second looked like studs up (need a replay), both yellow. I agree he could have warned him, but he doesn't have to. No he didn't. The Soton player made such a meal of it (for the first) - it wasn't even a foul. Not even close. The second was a yellow. Harshly it could be considered a red. He clearly did, no attempt to go for the ball, watch it again, its clear as day. I can't believe people think otherwise, if it was the other way round I, and pretty much everyone else supporting Stoke, would be expecting a card.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 30, 2014 0:44:23 GMT
No he didn't. The Soton player made such a meal of it (for the first) - it wasn't even a foul. Not even close. The second was a yellow. Harshly it could be considered a red. He clearly did, no attempt to go for the ball, watch it again, its clear as day. I can't believe people think otherwise, if it was the other way round I, and pretty much everyone else supporting Stoke, would be expecting a card. I've watched it several times. I know it's somewhat of a cliché recently, but if you're going to give a yellow for a nudge then really, games would be finishing 2 aside.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 0:49:00 GMT
I'm sure someone must have done this already, but I've never seen it. Has anyone ever looked at the stats for the amount of bookings per foul for each team over the course of a season?
I know the amount of fouls doesn't tell the whole story, as the type and severity of the foul also has to be taken into account. It just always appears to me that refs seem quite quick to produce the cards for us whereas other team's players tend to get the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 30, 2014 0:54:40 GMT
Very poor ref from the first whistle. Gave them everything. Allowed them to time waste throughout the second half. Crouch could have seen red for the second tackle to be honest, but the first yellow was a joke.
Incompetent or biased ?, either way I never want to see him at the brit again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 1:03:25 GMT
Jolly potter. Common sense they do not have. I've watched football for years, and have never seen such clueless, inept and totally biased referees. Every game is ruined by these total muppets. They make mistakes in all of them. Laughing stock comes to mind.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 30, 2014 1:04:36 GMT
He clearly did, no attempt to go for the ball, watch it again, its clear as day. I can't believe people think otherwise, if it was the other way round I, and pretty much everyone else supporting Stoke, would be expecting a card. I've watched it several times. I know it's somewhat of a cliché recently, but if you're going to give a yellow for a nudge then really, games would be finishing 2 aside. Funnily enough, in defeat I don't feel aggrieved by the officiating tonight, {I might be missing the obvious,} and your paranoia is palpable.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 30, 2014 1:05:47 GMT
I'm sure someone must have done this already, but I've never seen it. Has anyone ever looked at the stats for the amount of bookings per foul for each team over the course of a season? I know the amount of fouls doesn't tell the whole story, as the type and severity of the foul also has to be taken into account. It just always appears to me that refs seem quite quick to produce the cards for us whereas other team's players tend to get the benefit of the doubt. An excellent point.
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Post by Trubritt on Oct 30, 2014 1:08:36 GMT
Not looking at the ball once for the first and going in elbow up is a clear yellow, the second looked like studs up (need a replay), both yellow. I agree he could have warned him, but he doesn't have to. No he didn't. The Soton player made such a meal of it (for the first) - it wasn't even a foul. Not even close. The second was a yellow. Harshly it could be considered a red.
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Oct 30, 2014 1:08:51 GMT
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Post by Trubritt on Oct 30, 2014 1:08:51 GMT
Not looking at the ball once for the first and going in elbow up is a clear yellow, the second looked like studs up (need a replay), both yellow. I agree he could have warned him, but he doesn't have to. No he didn't. The Soton player made such a meal of it (for the first) - it wasn't even a foul. Not even close. The second was a yellow. Harshly it could be considered a red.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 30, 2014 1:10:18 GMT
I've watched it several times. I know it's somewhat of a cliché recently, but if you're going to give a yellow for a nudge then really, games would be finishing 2 aside. Funnily enough, in defeat I don't feel aggrieved by the officiating tonight, {I might be missing the obvious,} and your paranoia is palpable. Yes I know we're continuing a previous discussion... but I'm paranoid because I thought the first yellow was ridiculous? Now tell me how many teams have had penalties given against them in the prem for a push before the ball comes over at a corner? This season? In the last 5 years? Ever? And people wonder why Stoke fans are paranoid? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 30, 2014 1:12:54 GMT
Not looking at the ball once for the first and going in elbow up is a clear yellow, the second looked like studs up (need a replay), both yellow. I agree he could have warned him, but he doesn't have to. Very true but where was the yellow for Schneiderlein after his studs up tackle on Walters on the first half? Where was the yellow for Forster for time wasting that started right from our first goal? Are we picking and choosing where and how we referee to the letter of the law? Abso£@#&!nlutly. It wasn't that we didn't deserve some of the decisions against us, but where were ours & some of the linesman's decision against us were way late. The officials made me feel paranoid!!!
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 1:28:36 GMT
After Garry Monk effectively got let off for some very dangerous and baseless accusations, why isn't Mark coming out and saying "well, Garry Monk can say what he wants so can I. Boom. Southampton time wasting. Southampton diving. Dreadful refereeing decisions all game"
If he was then censured or fined, would he then have the basis to start legal action against the FA?
Pie in the sky dream but I'd love a manager to sue the FA. Changes would come very quickly.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 30, 2014 1:32:21 GMT
Funnily enough, in defeat I don't feel aggrieved by the officiating tonight, {I might be missing the obvious,} and your paranoia is palpable. Yes I know we're continuing a previous discussion... but I'm paranoid because I thought the first yellow was ridiculous? Now tell me how many teams have had penalties given against them in the prem for a push before the ball comes over at a corner? This season? In the last 5 years? Ever? And people wonder why Stoke fans are paranoid? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you. Yeah, but I think it's pathetic banging on about the ref {and linesman} when tonight we lost because of Southampton, Crouch and Hughes.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 30, 2014 1:36:00 GMT
Yes I know we're continuing a previous discussion... but I'm paranoid because I thought the first yellow was ridiculous? Now tell me how many teams have had penalties given against them in the prem for a push before the ball comes over at a corner? This season? In the last 5 years? Ever? And people wonder why Stoke fans are paranoid? Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you. Yeah, but I think it's pathetic banging on about the ref {and linesman} when tonight we lost because of Southampton, Crouch and Hughes. Jesus f'in Christ. Banging on? Mentioning it once. So it wasn't a factor then?
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Post by skip on Oct 30, 2014 1:37:22 GMT
^ I like your thinking. Hughes to test the FA's metal by saying precisely what Monk said the other week.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 30, 2014 1:50:07 GMT
Yeah, but I think it's pathetic banging on about the ref {and linesman} when tonight we lost because of Southampton, Crouch and Hughes. Jesus f'in Christ. Banging on? Mentioning it once. So it wasn't a factor then? Ok UK. I was just posting in response to the general tenor of the board. Losing side/ref's fault. You seem to love all that stuff. And trying to put it into the context of our previous chinwag. I'll go into me back garden and daub me sen in clay as penance.
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 30, 2014 2:19:07 GMT
Lee Mason. I know his brother Stone.
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