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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 15:27:59 GMT
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 15:37:19 GMT
He was woeful tonight and the game really passed him by. On this evidence people worried by Charlie's capabilities of playing in a two man midfield will be having kittens if Geoff appears in that role again. People will be wanting him at CB next in their desperation to get him in the team somewhere, still has time to show he can cut it in the midfield but he hasn't got to long. Because N'Zonzi has played brilliant all season, so really, Cameron is onto a loser again... |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 15:48:32 GMT
People will be wanting him at CB next in their desperation to get him in the team somewhere, still has time to show he can cut it in the midfield but he hasn't got to long. Because N'Zonzi has played brilliant all season, so really, Cameron is onto a loser again... There's other waiting for a chance (Sidwell) as well as Whelan to eventually come back, he shouldn't have to rely on others being shitter than him to keep his place, we need players to be playing well, not being a little less shit than others. So far in the games Cameron has started N'Zonzi has been the better of the two. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 15:48:42 GMT
After his sub appearance against Swansea, Cameron deserved his chances against Southampton.
The fact that he's done Jack Shit with the opportunity confirms my fears that I really don't know what we are going to do with him and where he fits in other than on the bench.
He's OK at fullback and moving with the ball but he's positionally weak and doesn't look comfortable defending.
He can look decent in midfield but often makes poor decisions and struggles to make an impression.
As for playing him at centre back, well if I thought Wilson gave me palpitations Christ knows what Geoff would do.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 15:52:19 GMT
Because N'Zonzi has played brilliant all season, so really, Cameron is onto a loser again... There's other waiting for a chance (Sidwell) as well as Whelan to eventually come back, he shouldn't have to rely on others being shitter than him to keep his place, we need players to be playing well, not being a little less shit than others. So far in the games Cameron has started N'Zonzi has been the better of the two. Are you serious? Saturday, I thought the entire three were poor. At first I thought Cameron was the worst but in hindsight, it was Cameron's foraging (thus pulling him out of position) that was keeping us together as Adam lazily rolled his fat arse around the pitch. Yesterday, N'Zonzi was having a shocker until he scored. He improved slightly in the second half but let's not beat around the bush here. |
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 15:54:53 GMT
After his sub appearance against Swansea, Cameron deserved his chances against Southampton. The fact that he's done Jack Shit with the opportunity confirms my fears that I really don't know what we are going to do with him and where he fits in other than on the bench. He's OK at fullback and moving with the ball but he's positionally weak and doesn't look comfortable defending. He can look decent in midfield but often makes poor decisions and struggles to make an impression. As for playing him at centre back, well if I thought Wilson gave me palpitations Christ knows what Geoff would do. Cameron has come up against an in-form Southampton, twice in three days after coming back from a long injury in which he only played 20 minutes before... and you expected what exactly? Give him a chance. Cameron should start in midfield on Saturday with someone else going in at full back. Playing him at right back proves nothing. Against West Ham, he will be coming up against a team who aren't likely to pass it around up front. That will play into his hands. Are we the worst fans for losing faith in players? |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 15:56:10 GMT
There's other waiting for a chance (Sidwell) as well as Whelan to eventually come back, he shouldn't have to rely on others being shitter than him to keep his place, we need players to be playing well, not being a little less shit than others. So far in the games Cameron has started N'Zonzi has been the better of the two. Are you serious? Saturday, I thought the entire three were poor. At first I thought Cameron was the worst but in hindsight, it was Cameron's foraging (thus pulling him out of position) that was keeping us together as Adam lazily rolled his fat arse around the pitch. Yesterday, N'Zonzi was having a shocker until he scored. He improved slightly in the second half but let's not beat around the bush here. They were poor, N'Zonzi was the best of a shit bunch. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 15:56:53 GMT
After his sub appearance against Swansea, Cameron deserved his chances against Southampton. The fact that he's done Jack Shit with the opportunity confirms my fears that I really don't know what we are going to do with him and where he fits in other than on the bench. He's OK at fullback and moving with the ball but he's positionally weak and doesn't look comfortable defending. He can look decent in midfield but often makes poor decisions and struggles to make an impression. As for playing him at centre back, well if I thought Wilson gave me palpitations Christ knows what Geoff would do. Cameron has come up against an in-form Southampton, twice in three days after coming back from a long injury in which he only played 20 minutes before... and you expected what exactly? Give him a chance. Cameron should start in midfield on Saturday with someone else going in at full back. Playing him at right back proves nothing. Against West Ham, he will be coming up against a team who aren't likely to pass it around up front. That will play into his hands. Are we the worst fans for losing faith in players? I've never had any real faith in him, mate so this isn't a new thing. I have nowt against him but I don't particular rate him that's all. |
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 16:00:42 GMT
Are you serious? Saturday, I thought the entire three were poor. At first I thought Cameron was the worst but in hindsight, it was Cameron's foraging (thus pulling him out of position) that was keeping us together as Adam lazily rolled his fat arse around the pitch. Yesterday, N'Zonzi was having a shocker until he scored. He improved slightly in the second half but let's not beat around the bush here. They were poor, N'Zonzi was the best of a shit bunch. I disagree that N'Zonzi was the best, I thought they were all equally shit, but considering Cameron's only started two bloody games there it's funny how we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The guy deserves his chance. |
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 16:01:19 GMT
Cameron has come up against an in-form Southampton, twice in three days after coming back from a long injury in which he only played 20 minutes before... and you expected what exactly? Give him a chance. Cameron should start in midfield on Saturday with someone else going in at full back. Playing him at right back proves nothing. Against West Ham, he will be coming up against a team who aren't likely to pass it around up front. That will play into his hands. Are we the worst fans for losing faith in players? I've never had any real faith in him, mate so this isn't a new thing. I have nowt against him but I don't particular rate him that's all. I think your perception is based on last season though and that's not really fair. He needs a chance to prove his worth and for me, it's West Ham, not the last two games. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 16:05:13 GMT
They were poor, N'Zonzi was the best of a shit bunch. I disagree that N'Zonzi was the best, I thought they were all equally shit, but considering Cameron's only started two bloody games there it's funny how we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The guy deserves his chance. No ones said he doesn't, see my original post, but he needs massive improvement to be considered long term and that Swansea wasn't just a one off. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 16:09:47 GMT
I've never had any real faith in him, mate so this isn't a new thing. I have nowt against him but I don't particular rate him that's all. I think your perception is based on last season though and that's not really fair. He needs a chance to prove his worth and for me, it's West Ham, not the last two games. I just haven't seen enough of him to warrant the optimism others have in him and that's based on two seasons of me not being all that inspired by him. At times he has been our best player but that's when we've been really pretty shit. I'm not convinced his footballing brain is up to playing in midfield at this level. Nobody will be happier than me if he proves me wrong and as I've said I was championing his inclusion at the weekend as his sub appearance against Swansea demanded it. The only thing in his favour was that he played in a two last night and maybe he will look better on a consistent basis in a three. |
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 16:10:47 GMT
I disagree that N'Zonzi was the best, I thought they were all equally shit, but considering Cameron's only started two bloody games there it's funny how we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The guy deserves his chance. No ones said he doesn't, see my original post, but he needs massive improvement to be considered long term and that Swansea wasn't just a one off. Which is why he needs to play Saturday, fitness permitting. He's come up against an in-form Southampton who are playing the football of a lifetime right now. Next time we play them, a few injuries later and once greasy Graziano's form has dipped after being tempted by the lure of a January move thanks to his current good form, we'd beat them no problem. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 16:17:03 GMT
No ones said he doesn't, see my original post, but he needs massive improvement to be considered long term and that Swansea wasn't just a one off. Which is why he needs to play Saturday, fitness permitting. He's come up against an in-form Southampton who are playing the football of a lifetime right now. Next time we play them, a few injuries later and once greasy Graziano's form has dipped after being tempted by the lure of a January move thanks to his current good form, we'd beat them no problem. Then who plays rb on sat, not that I want him playing there but I can't see who else could do it, apart from Wilson and then that creates another problem and way to much messing about with people in different positions. Personally I'd have Wilko back for just the one off game. |
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