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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 21:52:31 GMT
What do you reckon? I know it's a little early but I just don't think he has the discipline to play defensive midfielder, N'Zonzi's position would be much more suited to him imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 21:53:46 GMT
Defensive midfield? no. Definitely a center midfielder and arguably out of our midfielders the most comfortable on the ball (baring Adam)
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Oct 29, 2014 21:54:11 GMT
He will have to play right back Saturday
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 21:54:47 GMT
He will have to play right back Saturday Hope not, get Wilko back please.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 21:56:00 GMT
Like I've just said on another thread,we only had 2 midfielders tonight so not surprising they both found it difficult.He gets round the pitch better than any of our central midfielders,he puts tackles in and he's comfortable on the ball.I don't see Cameron as being a problem.
He not a defensive midfielder in the mould of Whelan no
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 29, 2014 22:00:14 GMT
And that's because of the utter naivety of the team selection as posted elsewhere selection and approach tonight showed total failure to recognise the real peril we are in , regarding our status to play our Saturday defence was pathetic to have to , and damming indictment of the summer warned about it at the weekend and sadly it's come true
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 22:01:43 GMT
He will have to play right back Saturday Hope not, get Wilko back please. Wilko is finished at this level Flaps.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 22:02:48 GMT
Hope not, get Wilko back please. Wilko is finished at this level Flaps. Would rather him than Cameron at RB.
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Post by chesterfieldstokie on Oct 29, 2014 22:04:08 GMT
Like I've just said on another thread,we only had 2 midfielders tonight so not surprising they both found it difficult.He gets round the pitch better than any of our central midfielders,he puts tackles in and he's comfortable on the ball.I don't see Cameron as being a problem. He not a defensive midfielder in the mould of Whelan no What exactly is he then? Hes not a full back, hes not a midfielder, hes certainly not a centre half. Shall we sign Mo Farrah, he could get around the pitch well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 22:04:30 GMT
Wilko is finished at this level Flaps. Would rather him than Cameron at RB. I very much doubt Hughes agrees,and quite rightly so in my opinion.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 22:06:38 GMT
Would rather him than Cameron at RB. I very much doubt Hughes agrees,and quite rightly so in my opinion. He probably doesn't, at least he agrees Cameron can't play right back, could be some interesting changes.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 29, 2014 22:09:52 GMT
I don't think Geoff did any harm to his cause tonight. He's almost as confident on the ball as N'Zonzi. In fact, with a bit of time he probably will be.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 22:11:23 GMT
I don't think Geoff did any harm to his cause tonight. He's almost as confident on the ball as N'Zonzi. In fact, with a bit of time he probably will be. Not if he's fighting for the CM position, as a DM he goes missing, see the first goal.
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Post by fca47 on Oct 29, 2014 22:13:32 GMT
Thought he did alright but didn't get to Pelle for the first goal, great shot but given all the time in the world.
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Post by chuckrocky on Oct 29, 2014 22:15:02 GMT
Thought he was garbage first half, offered no protection to the defence and no support to the forwards, I don't know what role he was supposed to be playing but he didn't do it very well. He wasn't alone mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 22:15:55 GMT
I don't think Geoff did any harm to his cause tonight. He's almost as confident on the ball as N'Zonzi. In fact, with a bit of time he probably will be. Not if he's fighting for the CM position, as a DM he goes missing, see the first goal. When you're playing a midfield 2 with 2 wide men shouldn't both players be sitting deep ? In which case Nzonzi is as culpable. I see him more as a box to box midfielder than a sit in front of the back 4 midfielder.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 29, 2014 22:18:26 GMT
Not if he's fighting for the CM position, as a DM he goes missing, see the first goal. When you're playing a midfield 2 with 2 wide men shouldn't both players be sitting deep ? In which case Nzonzi is as culpable. I see him more as a box to box midfielder than a sit in front of the back 4 midfielder. I agree. Yeh they should but one is allowed to join an attack no and then, and thats always been N'Zonzi. Just to make it clear I'm only singling out Cameron because he is getting his chance in midfield and wondered what others thought so far, rather than trying to say he was the worst player today.
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Post by ursems2boots on Oct 29, 2014 22:46:59 GMT
Went missing in the first half chasing shadows and off the pace, he tried, but we have better options...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 29, 2014 23:12:45 GMT
He was bloody awful tonight, which is a crying shame as I like him in midfield and we really need someone to fill the gap in there.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 29, 2014 23:20:13 GMT
He was woeful tonight and the game really passed him by.
On this evidence people worried by Charlie's capabilities of playing in a two man midfield will be having kittens if Geoff appears in that role again.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 30, 2014 10:50:39 GMT
I don't think N'Zonzi is disciplined enough to play the Whelan role and it's looking increasingly likely that Geoff isn't either.
We might not actually have a stand in for Whelan in the whole squad, could Sidwell or Muniessa do it? I don't know but we're going to have get something sorted if Glenn's going to be out for a while.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 30, 2014 10:52:33 GMT
I don't think N'Zonzi is disciplined enough to play the Whelan role and it's looking increasingly likely that Geoff isn't either.
We might not actually have a stand in for Whelan in the whole squad, could Sidwell or Muniessa do it? I don't know but we're going to have get something sorted if Glenn's going to be out for a while.
Got to give Muniesa a go there after last night now haven't we?
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 30, 2014 10:56:52 GMT
I don't think N'Zonzi is disciplined enough to play the Whelan role and it's looking increasingly likely that Geoff isn't either.
We might not actually have a stand in for Whelan in the whole squad, could Sidwell or Muniessa do it? I don't know but we're going to have get something sorted if Glenn's going to be out for a while.
Got to give Muniesa a go there after last night now haven't we? It is a weird one We have tried many a player in Glenda's role and it still appears to be Glenda's role Wilson - nope Palacios - nope Faye (the other one) - nope Oli - nope Sidwell - thought he was more box to box? Nzonzi - see Sidwell, but slightly more box to 3/4's of the pitch Adam - once in a blue moon but needs freedom of the midfield so wasted there Cameron - good cameo but last two games not so good - too early perhaps to make a judgement given how good their midfield/forward line is but given Sparky took him off he is now nailed on RB for at least one game Muni - why not - we have tried everything else
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 30, 2014 10:58:08 GMT
I don't think N'Zonzi is disciplined enough to play the Whelan role and it's looking increasingly likely that Geoff isn't either.
We might not actually have a stand in for Whelan in the whole squad, could Sidwell or Muniessa do it? I don't know but we're going to have get something sorted if Glenn's going to be out for a while.
Got to give Muniesa a go there after last night now haven't we?
I really don't know what the answer is mate but it is certainly worrying.
West Ham are in fine form and we simply can't give up the midfield in the first half again.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Oct 30, 2014 11:04:39 GMT
Got to give Muniesa a go there after last night now haven't we?
I really don't know what the answer is mate but it is certainly worrying.
West Ham are in fine form and we simply can't give up the midfield in the first half again.
I fear we will though They will come flying out of the blocks as Big Sam could not help but notice how we start nowadays - just don't get this first half approach/mindset
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 30, 2014 11:05:46 GMT
I don't think N'Zonzi is disciplined enough to play the Whelan role and it's looking increasingly likely that Geoff isn't either.
We might not actually have a stand in for Whelan in the whole squad, could Sidwell or Muniessa do it? I don't know but we're going to have get something sorted if Glenn's going to be out for a while.
Got to give Muniesa a go there after last night now haven't we? I think if we persist with two holding players against West Ham then I'd give Sidwell the nod purely based on experience given its an important game. Personally I'd go 442 anyway and pair N'zonzi and Charlie together.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 30, 2014 11:13:20 GMT
Poor game last night, should persist though. We're too quick to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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Post by elsidibe on Oct 30, 2014 11:30:08 GMT
He was abysmal last night and not much better on Saturday. I'd be very reluctant to start him against Alex Song.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 15:24:07 GMT
He was woeful tonight and the game really passed him by. On this evidence people worried by Charlie's capabilities of playing in a two man midfield will be having kittens if Geoff appears in that role again. People will be wanting him at CB next in their desperation to get him in the team somewhere, still has time to show he can cut it in the midfield but he hasn't got to long.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 30, 2014 15:26:27 GMT
He was woeful tonight and the game really passed him by. On this evidence people worried by Charlie's capabilities of playing in a two man midfield will be having kittens if Geoff appears in that role again. People will be wanting him at CB next in their desperation to get him in the team somewhere, still has time to show he can cut it in the midfield but he hasn't got to long. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/236206/cameron-centre-half
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