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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 30, 2014 0:30:59 GMT
Crouchs first yellow was very soft. Deserved.
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Post by swampySCFC on Oct 30, 2014 0:36:04 GMT
I'm starting to get worried about our performances/results..
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Post by luke45 on Oct 30, 2014 0:47:27 GMT
Just got back now, missed the first half because we were stuck in traffic but made the second half. The tactics Southampton employed in that second half were absolutely disgusting, I know all teams time waste to a degree but what they were doing was beyond belief. Six minutes of added time was nowhere near enough and an absolute insult to all of us who turned up and spent our hard earned on a ticket. They're undoubtedly a good side but some of their players behaved appallingly, Fonte especially. Personally I can't wait until their fucking bubble bursts.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2014 11:51:02 GMT
Totally wank ref more like. The ref is not to blame for our inability to carry out basic defending though is he? He isn't mate no. Nor us he to blame for an inability to play a simple pass that would bear guarantee a goal. However, last night I was in the unusual position of watching on tv whilst on holiday and the double standards shown by lee mason was quite something to behold. There are numerous incidents I could cite but the most obvious one was the challenge on diouf over in the seddon touchline. The defender got nowhere near the ball and took diouf out with a headbutt. No foul, no throw in nothing. Compare and contrast a near identical incident involving crouch who barely touched their player when challenging for a loose ball yet was instantly booked. It wad unbelievable to witness when detached from the actual emotions that come with being at the game.
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Post by andylgr on Oct 30, 2014 12:25:17 GMT
There are numerous incidents I could cite but the most obvious one was the challenge on diouf over in the seddon touchline. The defender got nowhere near the ball and took diouf out with a headbutt. No foul, no throw in nothing. Compare and contrast a near identical incident involving crouch who barely touched their player when challenging for a loose ball yet was instantly booked. He did give the free kick for that foul on Diouf, which is even worse because why wasn't it a booking? Had Diouf not been taken out he was away down the wing with 40 yards to run in to. Compare that with Crouchs first yellow and also the booking that Bardsley got when he fouled a player whilst tracking back.
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Post by bignickhowes on Oct 30, 2014 12:38:02 GMT
What a fucking joke, another batch of bookings, crouch sent off, they score straight after, we never start playing till after half time, but the bookings are going to start mounting up Beardsley and crouch missing on Saturday, TOTALLY UNDISCIPLINED Totally wank ref more like. can't blame the ref every game.. at least as a villa fan I admit were pretty crap with a crap manager. not saying that stoke are the same but just cant always be the ref
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 12:42:34 GMT
Totally wank ref more like. can't blame the ref every game.. at least as a villa fan I admit were pretty crap with a crap manager. not saying that stoke are the same but just cant always be the ref Did you watch it?
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:44:44 GMT
Totally wank ref more like. can't blame the ref every game.. at least as a villa fan I admit were pretty crap with a crap manager. not saying that stoke are the same but just cant always be the ref Agreed. You can't blame the ref when the team don't even turn up in the first half... which happened yesterday... and against Southampton on Saturday... and against Swansea.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 12:45:34 GMT
can't blame the ref every game.. at least as a villa fan I admit were pretty crap with a crap manager. not saying that stoke are the same but just cant always be the ref Did you watch it? He probably didn't. The ref was shit, but we need to assess our own shortcomings first. Our inability to turn up in the first half right now is bordering on the comical.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 30, 2014 12:49:29 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 30, 2014 15:08:10 GMT
Totally wank ref more like. can't blame the ref every game.. at least as a villa fan I admit were pretty crap with a crap manager. not saying that stoke are the same but just cant always be the ref Who blames the ref every game? I'm commenting on last night having had the unusual experience of watching the game on TV whilst abroad. I don't blame him for our defeat either. We don't need much help in gifting soft goals (one of which Villa were gifted) right now but that doesn't excuse the fact that Mason demonstrated unbelievable double standards with his officiating last night.
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Post by bignickhowes on Oct 30, 2014 15:29:18 GMT
can't blame the ref every game.. at least as a villa fan I admit were pretty crap with a crap manager. not saying that stoke are the same but just cant always be the ref Who blames the ref every game? I'm commenting on last night having had the unusual experience of watching the game on TV whilst abroad. I don't blame him for our defeat either. We don't need much help in gifting soft goals (one of which Villa were gifted) right now but that doesn't excuse the fact that Mason demonstrated unbelievable double standards with his officiating last night. I just see people blaming the ref every game is all
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 15:38:12 GMT
Who blames the ref every game? I'm commenting on last night having had the unusual experience of watching the game on TV whilst abroad. I don't blame him for our defeat either. We don't need much help in gifting soft goals (one of which Villa were gifted) right now but that doesn't excuse the fact that Mason demonstrated unbelievable double standards with his officiating last night. I just see people blaming the ref every game is all We've had some pretty poor ones, but point taken.
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Post by saintme on Oct 30, 2014 17:34:03 GMT
What a fucking joke, another batch of bookings, crouch sent off, they score straight after, we never start playing till after half time, but the bookings are going to start mounting up Beardsley and crouch missing on Saturday, TOTALLY UNDISCIPLINED I didnt see the 1st half so cant comment. I saw the 2nd half after the 1st Stoke goal, live streaming on my PC and so thats what Im commenting on. My thoughts: Before Crouch got sent off I thought we were going to lose. Although in the 1st part of the 2nd half, we played some real fast moving good stuff, Stoke also played well, in fact very well I thought. Didnt you even hit the post? If you play like that for 90, it would be really good. Im not going into the Crouch sending off as thats not him. I think he just he had a bad night! However, the one thing I didnt like about Stoke is the fouling. Adams got booked almost as soon as he came on. It was a bookable all day long yet he argued for quite some time. I think 3 others also got booked for fouls that were again bookings all day long and unnecessary. Saints got 2 bookings that I saw...1 for Pelle for jumping into the crowd after scoring...the other for Fonte for arguing with the ref. Slightly different approach and I just dont accept the ref was the problem. Im sure Hughes said a bit of old school 'get into them' at halftime but it can be counter productive, especially these days when players are so well protected. For example, Adams was booked very soon after coming on for a needless challenge. He now is one foul from being sent off. He now cant play as effectively as he would like because he could walk. Instead of a player playing at 100%, he now has to drop down a gear. 3 other midfield / defenders did that too. Adams is a really good player and just doesnt need to have that side of things in his game. Have to say also, that Stoke are getting a bit of a reputation and not just by TV pundits. I was looking at the Hull fans website site and some were hoping your guys would basically kick the crap out of us, so they would win on Saturday. If the refs think that too, you could find it hard...
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Post by metalhead on Oct 30, 2014 17:37:04 GMT
What a fucking joke, another batch of bookings, crouch sent off, they score straight after, we never start playing till after half time, but the bookings are going to start mounting up Beardsley and crouch missing on Saturday, TOTALLY UNDISCIPLINED I didnt see the 1st half so cant comment. I saw the 2nd half after the 1st Stoke goal, live streaming on my PC and so thats what Im commenting on. My thoughts: Before Crouch got sent off I thought we were going to lose. Although in the 1st part of the 2nd half, we played some real fast moving good stuff, Stoke also played well, in fact very well I thought. Didnt you even hit the post? If you play like that for 90, it would be really good. Im not going into the Crouch sending off as thats not him. I think he just he had a bad night! However, the one thing I didnt like about Stoke is the fouling. Adams got booked almost as soon as he came on. It was a bookable all day long yet he argued for quite some time. I think 3 others also got booked for fouls that were again bookings all day long and unnecessary. Saints got 2 bookings that I saw...1 for Pelle for jumping into the crowd after scoring...the other for Fonte for arguing with the ref. Slightly different approach and I just dont accept the ref was the problem. Im sure Hughes said a bit of old school 'get into them' at halftime but it can be counter productive, especially these days when players are so well protected. For example, Adams was booked very soon after coming on for a needless challenge. He now is one foul from being sent off. He now cant play as effectively as he would like because he could walk. Instead of a player playing at 100%, he now has to drop down a gear. 3 other midfield / defenders did that too. Adams is a really good player and just doesnt need to have that side of things in his game. Have to say also, that Stoke are getting a bit of a reputation and not just by TV pundits. I was looking at the Hull fans website site and some were hoping your guys would basically kick the crap out of us, so they would win on Saturday. If the refs think that too, you could find it hard... What did you think about your consistent time wasting? Your surrounding the ref? Your late niggly challenges? Or are we just brushing that under the carpet?
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Post by saintme on Oct 30, 2014 18:16:25 GMT
maybe it happened...maybe it didnt... I think you would have to ask someone impartial,....but its not really the point.
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Post by jaybee on Oct 30, 2014 18:34:27 GMT
My thoughts: Before Crouch got sent off I thought we were going to lose. Although in the 1st part of the 2nd half, we played some real fast moving good stuff, Stoke also played well, in fact very well I thought. Didnt you even hit the post? If you play like that for 90, it would be really good. Im not going into the Crouch sending off as thats not him. I think he just he had a bad night! However, the one thing I didnt like about Stoke is the fouling. Adams got booked almost as soon as he came on. It was a bookable all day long yet he argued for quite some time. I think 3 others also got booked for fouls that were again bookings all day long and unnecessary. Saints got 2 bookings that I saw...1 for Pelle for jumping into the crowd after scoring...the other for Fonte for arguing with the ref. Slightly different approach and I just dont accept the ref was the problem. Im sure Hughes said a bit of old school 'get into them' at halftime but it can be counter productive, especially these days when players are so well protected. For example, Adams was booked very soon after coming on for a needless challenge. He now is one foul from being sent off. He now cant play as effectively as he would like because he could walk. Instead of a player playing at 100%, he now has to drop down a gear. 3 other midfield / defenders did that too. Adams is a really good player and just doesnt need to have that side of things in his game. Have to say also, that Stoke are getting a bit of a reputation and not just by TV pundits. I was looking at the Hull fans website site and some were hoping your guys would basically kick the crap out of us, so they would win on Saturday. If the refs think that too, you could find it hard... Trying to answer you in a sensible manner, some on here won't manage that I think the thing we are p'd off about is the whole inconsistency of it all One of your guys did a two footed challenge on Walters, not even a foul - Bardsley got booked for something not as bad and is now out of Saturday's game ditto fouled Douf, he ended up in the advertising hoardings. Foul, no booking - Crouch did something not as bad - booked. Agree that he was stupid thereafter Pelle was booked for jumping into the crowd, but at least 3 players did it, only one booking!! No cautions for persistent time wasting from Forster Regarding your last point about 'reputation' - I totally agree, BUT, the game should be refereed on what happens on the pitch regardless of reputations, which isn't happening!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 18:45:08 GMT
Have to say also, that Stoke are getting a bit of a reputation and not just by TV pundits. I was looking at the Hull fans website site and some were hoping your guys would basically kick the crap out of us, so they would win on Saturday. If the refs think that too, you could find it hard. In my opinion though, the way people view us is now being dictated almost entirely by the media. God knows what Shawcross has done to somehow now be considered football's enemy number one, but every negative thing he does is now magnified, picked on and replayed, whereas his obvious talents are completely ignored. Everytime anything controversial happens involving a Stoke player, we have the mighty Graham Poll pontificating that we were in the wrong and should be punished to damnation. MotD employ every thuggish wanker they can find to stick the knife in wherever possible. This drip, drip, drip effect is bound to get into the referee's minds, and they're acting accordingly. In the cold light of day, you could easily argue that all our cards were justified last night - I'm not saying we're whiter than white. But then you look at the double standards employed where the opposition, not just Southampton, but practically every team we play, are allowed a number of freebies before the ref gets the cards out. As you've said, a number of our players had to be wary throughout large parts of the match. Your boys had the luxury of knowing a few tasty challenges could go in before the ref would act. I'm not looking for excuses as to why we lost, but stuff like that when you're up against the division's in-form team doesn't help. In the first half last night, Southampton looked a very good team, albeit we were shit. In the second half, they looked like a team that needed help. They got it.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 30, 2014 19:10:11 GMT
Crouch available for Saturday?
Has to be 7 days from the game before suspension?
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Post by coupe on Oct 30, 2014 19:29:14 GMT
Obviously your wiser than the club who have stated on their website both Crouch and Bardsley are banned for saturdays game Wisemaster ?
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 30, 2014 21:23:07 GMT
Obviously your wiser than the club who have stated on their website both Crouch and Bardsley are banned for saturdays game Wisemaster ? Obviously not!
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 21:29:19 GMT
I'm amazed he didn't book Hughes in the first half for crimes against football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 21:33:54 GMT
What a fucking joke, another batch of bookings, crouch sent off, they score straight after, we never start playing till after half time, but the bookings are going to start mounting up Beardsley and crouch missing on Saturday, TOTALLY UNDISCIPLINED I didnt see the 1st half so cant comment. I saw the 2nd half after the 1st Stoke goal, live streaming on my PC and so thats what Im commenting on. My thoughts: Before Crouch got sent off I thought we were going to lose. Although in the 1st part of the 2nd half, we played some real fast moving good stuff, Stoke also played well, in fact very well I thought. Didnt you even hit the post? If you play like that for 90, it would be really good. Im not going into the Crouch sending off as thats not him. I think he just he had a bad night! However, the one thing I didnt like about Stoke is the fouling. Adams got booked almost as soon as he came on. It was a bookable all day long yet he argued for quite some time. I think 3 others also got booked for fouls that were again bookings all day long and unnecessary. Saints got 2 bookings that I saw...1 for Pelle for jumping into the crowd after scoring...the other for Fonte for arguing with the ref. Slightly different approach and I just dont accept the ref was the problem. Im sure Hughes said a bit of old school 'get into them' at halftime but it can be counter productive, especially these days when players are so well protected. For example, Adams was booked very soon after coming on for a needless challenge. He now is one foul from being sent off. He now cant play as effectively as he would like because he could walk. Instead of a player playing at 100%, he now has to drop down a gear. 3 other midfield / defenders did that too. Adams is a really good player and just doesnt need to have that side of things in his game. Have to say also, that Stoke are getting a bit of a reputation and not just by TV pundits. I was looking at the Hull fans website site and some were hoping your guys would basically kick the crap out of us, so they would win on Saturday. If the refs think that too, you could find it hard... Do me a favour mate. Schneiderlein got away with a studs up tackle on Walters in the first half, so drop the innocent routine. It won't wash around here.
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Post by tazi on Oct 30, 2014 21:39:12 GMT
What about taking Diouf clean out and never given a booking?.
Still, I've always thought that if no card is produced that it must be deemed to actually be alright.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Oct 30, 2014 21:45:39 GMT
You can't let in 3 goals at home and expect anything. It seems we either keep it tight can't score and lose 1-0 or open the floodgates score 2 and lose 3
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Post by bones on Oct 31, 2014 0:20:21 GMT
Stop blaming the refs, we've regressed since last year and the blame lies with the manager. Last season he was working with mainly the players he was left with, but this is his squad now. The discipline in the team is appalling, as is the defending. And why do the team only start playing when a goal down? It's the manager's role to motivate. Get it sorted, Mark. we seem to be back pedalling at the moment................
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