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Post by elystokie on Oct 27, 2014 10:13:24 GMT
Maybe he thought he was going to get banned yet again? He's never been banned according himself! H
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Oct 27, 2014 11:00:21 GMT
They had the money to recruit and did it very well as did the Hammers. Both turned up some gems at knockdown prices Tadic,Sakho etc. We spent naff all and shopped at Lidl.Our scouting network and player recommendation dept. need a thorough overhaul.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 27, 2014 15:03:20 GMT
They had the money to recruit and did it very well as did the Hammers. Both turned up some gems at knockdown prices Tadic,Sakho etc. We spent naff all and shopped at Lidl.Our scouting network and player recommendation dept. need a thorough overhaul. They need backing with proper cash mate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2014 15:05:40 GMT
They had the money to recruit and did it very well as did the Hammers. Both turned up some gems at knockdown prices Tadic,Sakho etc. We spent naff all and shopped at Lidl.Our scouting network and player recommendation dept. need a thorough overhaul. They need backing with proper cash mate. After 'someone' spunked more money than we will maybe ever see again, right up the wall. The Legacy.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 27, 2014 16:00:05 GMT
Because sometimes you have to spend decent money to get good players.
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Post by thevoid on Oct 27, 2014 17:19:52 GMT
Because Soton have a youth system that they've benefitted from, allowing them to sell players that cost them nowt for vast profit. This has given them a decent warchest to spend, coupled with a respected manager who knows the European market.
We, however, spent huge sums of money on certain players that have no resale value and no other club either wants, or can afford, to touch. This is why Mark Hughes has been left with a much reduced budget than his predecessor.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 27, 2014 17:34:54 GMT
Because Soton have a youth system that they've benefitted from, allowing them to sell players that cost them nowt for vast profit. This has given them a decent warchest to spend, coupled with a respected manager who knows the European market. We, however, spent huge sums of money on certain players that have no resale value and no other club either wants, or can afford, to touch. This is why Mark Hughes has been left with a much reduced budget than his predecessor. Great answer. Unfortunately not one the op was envisaging when he started the thread so he'll likely put his fingers in his ears and go 'la la la la' repeatedly.
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Post by hammered on Oct 27, 2014 17:46:41 GMT
I thought Hughes had done quite well polishing and adding to the Pulis collection, particularly swapping KJones with Cardiff for O/Wingie. But maybe Pulis's legacy of spending his way up to your FFP ceiling without leaving saleable assets (other than Begovic/Shawcross) have restricted Hughes trading going forward and the pace of change to the type of players you've signed - all of which would have improved West Ham btw.
I also thought I read somewhere that your wages to T/O was at about 80% - so fees/spending money probably isn't the real problem - very good players = big wages - something Southampton were able to manage having sold half their first team.
Having said that Southampton are a very good side with a playing ethos firmly established from their youth system through to their PL squad. Probably the best side we've faced this year - so I wouldn't get hung up on them beating you 1-0 at St Mary's - most will suffer worse.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 27, 2014 18:12:56 GMT
I thought Hughes had done quite well polishing and adding to the Pulis collection, particularly swapping KJones with Cardiff for O/Wingie. But maybe Pulis's legacy of spending his way up to your FFP ceiling without leaving saleable assets (other than Begovic/Shawcross) have restricted Hughes trading going forward and the pace of change to the type of players you've signed - all of which would have improved West Ham btw. I also thought I read somewhere that your wages to T/O was at about 80% - so fees/spending money probably isn't the real problem - very good players = big wages - something Southampton were able to manage having sold half their first team. Having said that Southampton are a very good side with a playing ethos firmly established from their youth system through to their PL squad. Probably the best side we've faced this year - so I wouldn't get hung up on them beating you 1-0 at St Mary's - most will suffer worse. Good post, especially the bit about the ethos. Hopefully we're building one after 10 years of neglect.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 27, 2014 18:17:53 GMT
In 2012/13 Stoke finished 13th, Southampton 14th.
In 2013/14 Stoke finished 9th, Southampton 8th.
Coupled with the above is the fact that we have only played 9 games this season and therefore anything can still happen, so I think the OP's question is flawed and we are on a par with them.
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 27, 2014 18:20:32 GMT
In 2012/13 Stoke finished 13th, Southampton 14th. In 2013/14 Stoke finished 9th, Southampton 8th. Coupled with the above is the fact that we have only played 9 games this season and therefore anything can still happen, so I think the OP's question is flawed and we are on a par with them. They are scoring for fun Geoff and we are struggling to find the net. I think Koeman is a far better manager than their last incumbent.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 27, 2014 18:25:37 GMT
They've had a freak result against Sunderland, without that they have scored 12 goals, my guess is Sunderland capitulated on the day.
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Post by rawli on Oct 28, 2014 7:02:31 GMT
Not convinced they have what it takes to last the season. They faded today in the second half. I think they will struggle to pick up points from Christmas onwards. Wouldn't surprise me if they earn less than 10pts in the 2nd half of the season. That's down with the dead men form.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 28, 2014 7:18:15 GMT
Would they want on of our players? Would we want any of theirs ?
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 28, 2014 7:46:17 GMT
Would they want on of our players? Would we want any of theirs ? At this moment in time the Southampton players I would take in no particular order are: Alder wield Clyne Wanyama Schniderlin (sp) Tadic Ward prowse Pelle Which could make a great team Begovic Clyne Shawcross alder wield Pieters/Bertrand Wanyama N'zonzi Schniderlin Tadic Diouf pelle Bench Butland, whelan, Moses, JWP, Huth, cork, Bertrand/Pieters
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 28, 2014 8:38:55 GMT
What has diouf done to find himself in the starting 11 of the mixed Southampton / stoke team ?
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Post by clarkeda on Oct 28, 2014 12:58:09 GMT
What has diouf done to find himself in the starting 11 of the mixed Southampton / stoke team ? I feel he would work well with Pelle and provide the dimension of running in behind.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 28, 2014 13:31:42 GMT
What has diouf done to find himself in the starting 11 of the mixed Southampton / stoke team ? I feel he would work well with Pelle and provide the dimension of running in behind. possibly right but I still feel he hasn't done enough even though I believe that he is not being utilized properly played out wide
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Post by simontemplar on Oct 28, 2014 15:14:07 GMT
Our academy (Saints) has produced lots of players already mentioned BUT we have about another 5 or 6 ready to come through to our senior squad..our academy will keep producing quality BUT its down to our scouts that we find these "rough diamonds". Once they are entered into our academy EVERYBODY learns the system that our main squad play.So all through their development they are having this drummed into them THEN when the time comes for them to take the big step into our first squad they fit straight away. When Lowe cocked everything up & our parent company went into administration we were screwed BUT in a way it was a good thing the reason being that anyone who didnt want to stay could go ( which they did) that left us a core of fighters.From the depths of doom & league one we were saved by a great man MARKUS LIEBHERR.Yes we have spent money in the premiership but what the club has bought in fits with our system and our philosophy. The best money the Liebherr family spent in the dark times was on RICKIE LAMBERT his goals and performances were second to none.After 5 years we find ourselves back in the prem.We had a good season then the vultures swooped in & tore our team to shreds....then pochy left even though he said he was staying. So again things looked bleak but in came Krueger,Koeman & his brother..with their knowledge of the eredivisie and because of Ronalds name we managed to get quality (even better) than what we had lost at MASSIVELY inflated prices. While we find ourselves at the moment 2nd in the league with the best defence & same gd as Chelsea we shall enjoy the highs because their could be lows but that we shall wait to see.Its nice to see the top half of the table looking different ti what it normally does. All in all i hope we continue to strive forward & that you Stokies find the success we are having at the moment.
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Post by homer32 on Oct 28, 2014 19:28:53 GMT
Thank you - Danny Higginbottom was on Talk Sport today discussing our 2 clubs and the huge difference in our Acadamies. We have never had one & never produced any players whereas yours is almost legendary . There were reasons put forward by Danny other than Tony Pulis didn't believe in bringing kids through . Southampton & Stoke are v similar in population but your catchment area is massive compared to us with Manchester & Liverpool on our doorstep who attract all the real talent eg Man Utd's young kid James Wilson was born & raised in Stoke.
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Post by elystokie on Oct 28, 2014 19:48:46 GMT
Thank you - Danny Higginbottom was on Talk Sport today discussing our 2 clubs and the huge difference in our Acadamies. We have never had one & never produced any players whereas yours is almost legendary . There were reasons put forward by Danny other than Tony Pulis didn't believe in bringing kids through . Southampton & Stoke are v similar in population but your catchment area is massive compared to us with Manchester & Liverpool on our doorstep who attract all the real talent eg Man Utd's young kid James Wilson was born & raised in Stoke. I used to row all the time with a Pompey fan years ago regarding our respective catchment areas and who we had to compete with for fans' loyalties, he never did get it.
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Post by fentonsaint on Oct 30, 2014 14:05:44 GMT
The problem with the Southampton catchment area is that half of it is in the English channel. We have a satellite academies in Bath which is not really fair but we have had it for ages so we are allowed to keep it.
But since the elite youth team programme thing whatever it was called it doesnt matter so much anymore. Bigger clubs can cherry pick whoever they want if they have a top class academy. I would like to see stoke build theirs up in the next few years or be left behind
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Post by elystokie on Oct 30, 2014 17:21:31 GMT
The problem with the Southampton catchment area is that half of it is in the English channel. We have a satellite academies in Bath which is not really fair but we have had it for ages so we are allowed to keep it. But since the elite youth team programme thing whatever it was called it doesnt matter so much anymore. Bigger clubs can cherry pick whoever they want if they have a top class academy. I would like to see stoke build theirs up in the next few years or be left behind True about the channel, but I'll bet you have a few fans on the Isle of Widget and the area around you without a big club is pretty large in area and reasonably affluent. Having said that, London isn't that far I suppose (for the gloryhunters)
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