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Post by Squeekster on Oct 25, 2014 18:04:10 GMT
Played exceptional for 20 minutes = proves fuck all. Played average for 90 = conclusive proof he's wank in that role. Stoke City supporters eh. So he played 120 minutes then well done Geoff.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Oct 25, 2014 18:07:30 GMT
i was referring more to us needing Glenn. We don't have another player that can do what he and nzonzi do, play consistently good football in midfield. No but Cameron needs time to show he can. agreed. That's why I said start him in the next game too. I've also seen a lot of Cameron, being a usmnt supporter and all, and over the past two seasons with stoke. It's not like I don't know what he does and does not bring to the table.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 18:09:02 GMT
Played exceptional for 20 minutes = proves fuck all. Played average for 90 = conclusive proof he's wank in that role. Stoke City supporters eh. So he played 120 minutes then well done Geoff. Thats how many minutes Adam and John Walters should have after 4 games. Bloody hell.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Oct 25, 2014 18:10:44 GMT
and I believe I've said those same words before, but desperate times call for desperate measures! I'd go with palacios but I assume he's probably not even trained with the first team since we tried to send him to Qatar. Thats just retarded. Try playing in a midfield with Adam off his pace bombing into fools from behind giving away free kicks like a chimo giving away candy infront of poundland because of a blown leg and to top it off left in a one man midfield chasing Nzonzi who is solely looking at his feet instead of passing lanes and 3 or 4 runs infront of him. Palacios? Dear me. This board is nutzo after a loss at times. this is all assuming Cameron can't fill the role going forward. Which today he did not.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 18:23:33 GMT
Thats just retarded. Try playing in a midfield with Adam off his pace bombing into fools from behind giving away free kicks like a chimo giving away candy infront of poundland because of a blown leg and to top it off left in a one man midfield chasing Nzonzi who is solely looking at his feet instead of passing lanes and 3 or 4 runs infront of him. Palacios? Dear me. This board is nutzo after a loss at times. this is all assuming Cameron can't fill the role going forward. Which today he did not. Adam and Nzonzi didnt fulfill their's either... When has glenn or Nzonzi been left in a one man midfield chasing their teammates mistakes? But even worse our entire midfield was setup wrong from the start... 433 versus Southampton... we were lucky to only be down 1-0 after the sceond half. Hughes changes were spot on and then we were set right and had a two man midfield and looked a different side.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Oct 25, 2014 18:28:48 GMT
this is all assuming Cameron can't fill the role going forward. Which today he did not. Adam and Nzonzi didnt fulfill their's either... When has glenn or Nzonzi been left in a one man midfield chasing their teammates mistakes? But even worse our entire midfield was setup wrong from the start... 433 versus Southampton... we were lucky to only be down 1-0 after the sceond half. Hughes changes were spot on and then we were set right and had a two man midfield and looked a different side. i agree with all of that. None of our midfielders played well, and all of theirs did. Even wanyama when he came on had a great game. I just don't think Cameron did anything to make a case for keeping the spot when Glenn gets back. And he had some serious lapses that were not Charlie or steven's fault.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 19:06:47 GMT
Adam and Nzonzi didnt fulfill their's either... When has glenn or Nzonzi been left in a one man midfield chasing their teammates mistakes? But even worse our entire midfield was setup wrong from the start... 433 versus Southampton... we were lucky to only be down 1-0 after the sceond half. Hughes changes were spot on and then we were set right and had a two man midfield and looked a different side. i agree with all of that. None of our midfielders played well, and all of theirs did. Even wanyama when he came on had a great game. I just don't think Cameron did anything to make a case for keeping the spot when Glenn gets back. And he had some serious lapses that were not Charlie or steven's fault. I've never wanted to see Geoff at cdm consistently, infact I think hes what we are missing at the front of midfield. In our current side our CAM's are ineffective and anonymous. Adam, Bojan, Ireland have been letdowns so far to say it kindly. I'd rotate them for minutes until their form improves. Infact since Glenn's shining season last season I've always wanted to see Geoff infront of Whelan and Nzonzi. Why not use his strengths where they could be used? We've found Glenn's resetting play and staying back carved him a nice role? our problem is that injuries and setup keep that from forming. Hughes has been trying to get Geoff in there with a few midfield looks but with Glenn out he was forced to throw him in for his first 90 at cm in how long? versus Southampton away... not an easy debut for anyone. It took Glenn seasons to be able to not be nervous or afraid of tackles and to get into a good passing form. Yet here we are left with the same patience needed to see' and some just can't seem to find any patience.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Oct 25, 2014 19:25:59 GMT
i agree with all of that. None of our midfielders played well, and all of theirs did. Even wanyama when he came on had a great game. I just don't think Cameron did anything to make a case for keeping the spot when Glenn gets back. And he had some serious lapses that were not Charlie or steven's fault. I've never wanted to see Geoff at cdm consistently, infact I think hes what we are missing at the front of midfield. In our current side our CAM's are ineffective and anonymous. Adam, Bojan, Ireland have been letdowns so far to say it kindly. I'd rotate them for minutes until their form improves. Infact since Glenn's shining season last season I've always wanted to see Geoff infront of Whelan and Nzonzi. Why not use his strengths where they could be used? We've found Glenn's resetting play and staying back carved him a nice role? our problem is that injuries and setup keep that from forming. Hughes has been trying to get Geoff in there with a few midfield looks but with Glenn out he was forced to throw him in for his first 90 at cm in how long? versus Southampton away... not an easy debut for anyone. It took Glenn seasons to be able to not be nervous or afraid of tackles and to get into a good passing form. Yet here we are left with the same patience needed to see' and some just can't seem to find any patience. he's not a CAM in a million years, but could work in the holding role.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 19:29:56 GMT
I've never wanted to see Geoff at cdm consistently, infact I think hes what we are missing at the front of midfield. In our current side our CAM's are ineffective and anonymous. Adam, Bojan, Ireland have been letdowns so far to say it kindly. I'd rotate them for minutes until their form improves. Infact since Glenn's shining season last season I've always wanted to see Geoff infront of Whelan and Nzonzi. Why not use his strengths where they could be used? We've found Glenn's resetting play and staying back carved him a nice role? our problem is that injuries and setup keep that from forming. Hughes has been trying to get Geoff in there with a few midfield looks but with Glenn out he was forced to throw him in for his first 90 at cm in how long? versus Southampton away... not an easy debut for anyone. It took Glenn seasons to be able to not be nervous or afraid of tackles and to get into a good passing form. Yet here we are left with the same patience needed to see' and some just can't seem to find any patience. he's not a CAM in a million years, but could work in the holding role. Its not been seen so how do you know? He hasn't even been tried in the holding role either. Btw, the same was said of Glenn years ago that he'd never be a cdm but could do the holding role. Here we are.
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Post by that's our Ric on Oct 25, 2014 20:21:37 GMT
Geoff definitely needs more time in the role before we pass judgement,and it was a tough audition today as said. Glenn's injury should give him that time now Bad day in the office for a lot of the team today
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2014 20:29:35 GMT
Geoff did alright but we needed more from our front 3 today if we were going to get anything from the game.
He should keep his place for me - deserves a run of games there whilst Whelan is out.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 20:34:45 GMT
You've been slagging Whelan off for years!?!?
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 22:10:08 GMT
You've been slagging Whelan off for years!?!? I don't get march4 tbh, first he slag's them, or says wild accusations like assaidi has no pace then he reverses his stance next week. I take it with a grain of salt. I seriously believe it's a wind up account. I've seen people change their tune and I'll be the first to say I have on players and I will slate them when they deserve slating... Tbh Whelan under TP was one of them and I didn't give him his just due, I think it was the style of football didn't suit him where as under Hughes Whelan has been fantastic. To me it's all about how the manager selects his players than their own individual performance. Last season especially, we had a weird lineup Geoff at RB, PO at RW instead of ST and well it worked... Our highest finish to date. This season has been a slow and injury ridden start, but the thing is players like Whelan have had years to hone his game at that position and he'll get back to it shortly. While his injury is pressing, it's time to give others like Geoff and Marc Wilson chance to shine, I've seen alot of Wilson at CB to know I don't rate him there as for Geoff, game one versus southampton away I thought we've got good options now and we have a couple capable LB's and for years that was a frustrating hole. Now our front midfield is not chipping in, I have patience someone will get a shot there and shine.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Oct 25, 2014 22:13:13 GMT
You've been slagging Whelan off for years!?!? I don't get march4 tbh, first he slag's them, or says wild accusations like assaidi has no pace then he reverses his stance next week. I take it with a grain of salt. I seriously believe it's a wind up account. I've seen people change their tune and I'll be the first to say I have on players and I will slate them when they deserve slating... Tbh Whelan under TP was one of them and I didn't give him his just due, I think it was the style of football didn't suit him where as under Hughes Whelan has been fantastic. To me it's all about how the manager selects his players than their own individual performance. Last season especially, we had a weird lineup Geoff at RB, PO at RW instead of ST and well it worked... Our highest finish to date. This season has been a slow and injury ridden start, but the thing is players like Whelan have had years to hone his game at that position and he'll get back to it shortly. While his injury is pressing, it's time to give others like Geoff and Marc Wilson chance to shine, I've seen alot of Wilson at CB to know I don't rate him there as for Geoff, game one versus southampton away I thought we've got good options now and we have a couple capable LB's and for years that was a frustrating hole. Now our front midfield is not chipping in, I have patience someone will get a shot there and shine. I think it will be Ireland if his ego allows it.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 22:28:06 GMT
I don't get march4 tbh, first he slag's them, or says wild accusations like assaidi has no pace then he reverses his stance next week. I take it with a grain of salt. I seriously believe it's a wind up account. I've seen people change their tune and I'll be the first to say I have on players and I will slate them when they deserve slating... Tbh Whelan under TP was one of them and I didn't give him his just due, I think it was the style of football didn't suit him where as under Hughes Whelan has been fantastic. To me it's all about how the manager selects his players than their own individual performance. Last season especially, we had a weird lineup Geoff at RB, PO at RW instead of ST and well it worked... Our highest finish to date. This season has been a slow and injury ridden start, but the thing is players like Whelan have had years to hone his game at that position and he'll get back to it shortly. While his injury is pressing, it's time to give others like Geoff and Marc Wilson chance to shine, I've seen alot of Wilson at CB to know I don't rate him there as for Geoff, game one versus southampton away I thought we've got good options now and we have a couple capable LB's and for years that was a frustrating hole. Now our front midfield is not chipping in, I have patience someone will get a shot there and shine. I think it will be Ireland if his ego allows it. I've been for Ireland to do well here ever since he joined us but he seems to be a slouchy whiny little pansy this season. He seems uninterested in the games and looks bothered to get back on defense. In some matches last season he looked up for it and eager and was shooting and scoring goals. This season I don't know what it is bothering him but it is evident he is in bad form and his ego and confidence must be at odds with each other because I'd rather see someone wanting to go every match like Geoff or Walters in the middle than somebody not giving two fucks. That just my opinion on this season and how Hughes isn't picking him I think there is more to it. I hope he can get in there Wednesday and get going!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2014 23:26:27 GMT
he's not a CAM in a million years, but could work in the holding role. Its not been seen so how do you know? He hasn't even been tried in the holding role either. Btw, the same was said of Glenn years ago that he'd never be a cdm but could do the holding role. Here we are. Mate what are you on about? He was tried in the 'holding' role today. And Pulis played him as a CAM, so it HAS been seen. I think he should be given another go in the holding role but he really needs to learn to 'sit' and hold his position and not go charging off and leaving big gaps in front of the centre backs.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 23:44:15 GMT
Its not been seen so how do you know? He hasn't even been tried in the holding role either. Btw, the same was said of Glenn years ago that he'd never be a cdm but could do the holding role. Here we are. Mate what are you on about? He was tried in the 'holding' role today. And Pulis played him as a CAM, so it HAS been seen. I think he should be given another go in the holding role but he really needs to learn to 'sit' and hold his position and not go charging off and leaving big gaps in front of the centre backs. One game paul. One game. "Tried" What are you smoking? Pulis CAM... right. Because that's relevant... a hoofball cam appearance well that's all we need to see then. He was our second best player overall today statistically and 6th overall in the game throughout, infact he had a 88.9 % pass rating, the only Stoke player to beat Geoff's 7.2 was Phil Bardsley with his great defensive showing with a 7.3. He was the only midfielder for parts of the first half actually in midfield. Soon as Hughes dropped Nzonzi back after the half and played a proper two man cover for the back line and dropped the hapless Adam we saw Bardsley and Cameron get remarkably better. Besides Crouch they were the only ones who did average, everyone else was below sub par.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2014 23:52:01 GMT
Mate what are you on about? He was tried in the 'holding' role today. And Pulis played him as a CAM, so it HAS been seen. I think he should be given another go in the holding role but he really needs to learn to 'sit' and hold his position and not go charging off and leaving big gaps in front of the centre backs. One game paul. One game. "Tried" What are you smoking? Pulis CAM... right. Because that's relevant... a hoofball cam appearance well that's all we need to see then. He was our second best player overall today statistically and 6th overall in the game throughout, infact he had a 88.9 % pass rating, the only Stoke player to beat Geoff's 7.2 was Phil Bardsley with his great defensive showing with a 7.3. He was the only midfielder for parts of the first half actually in midfield. Soon as Hughes dropped Nzonzi back after the half and played a proper two man cover for the back line and dropped the hapless Adam we saw Bardsley and Cameron get remarkably better. Besides Crouch they were the only ones who did average, everyone else was below sub par. I just thought it was strange that you were claiming that he hadn't ever been tried in the 'holding' role for us, when he was 'tried' in that exact role for us, as recently as, erm ... today.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 25, 2014 23:56:47 GMT
One game paul. One game. "Tried" What are you smoking? Pulis CAM... right. Because that's relevant... a hoofball cam appearance well that's all we need to see then. He was our second best player overall today statistically and 6th overall in the game throughout, infact he had a 88.9 % pass rating, the only Stoke player to beat Geoff's 7.2 was Phil Bardsley with his great defensive showing with a 7.3. He was the only midfielder for parts of the first half actually in midfield. Soon as Hughes dropped Nzonzi back after the half and played a proper two man cover for the back line and dropped the hapless Adam we saw Bardsley and Cameron get remarkably better. Besides Crouch they were the only ones who did average, everyone else was below sub par. I just thought it was strange that you were claiming that he hadn't ever been tried in the 'holding' role for us, when he was 'tried' in that exact role for us, as recently as, erm ... today. Umm yea, before today has he had more than ONE game in CM in that role for Stoke? So one day is enough for you to make your mind up, Please. 88.9 % passing with half a midfield and verus the inform saints is a good debut in my book. Was that tryout enough for you, that 90 min stint.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2014 0:04:21 GMT
I just thought it was strange that you were claiming that he hadn't ever been tried in the 'holding' role for us, when he was 'tried' in that exact role for us, as recently as, erm ... today. Umm yea, before today has he had more than ONE game in CM in that role for Stoke? So one day is enough for you to make your mind up, Please. 88.9 % passing with half a midfield and verus the inform saints is a good debut in my book. Was that tryout enough for you, that 90 min stint. What the fuck are you on about? Please quote me on 'having made my mind up' - I haven't remotely said anything of the sort - indeed I SAID he should be given another chance there. I was simply correcting you on your assertion that he hadn't ever been tried in the holding role, which is clearly wrong, as he played in exactly that position today.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 26, 2014 0:10:32 GMT
Umm yea, before today has he had more than ONE game in CM in that role for Stoke? So one day is enough for you to make your mind up, Please. 88.9 % passing with half a midfield and verus the inform saints is a good debut in my book. Was that tryout enough for you, that 90 min stint. What the fuck are you on about? Please quote me on having 'made my mind up' - I haven't remotely said anything of the sort - indeed I SAID he should be given another chance there. I was simply correcting you on your assertion that he hadn't ever been tried in the holding role, which is clearly wrong, as he played in exactly that position today. Dear god that's so stupidly trivial and retarded that on the same day of the match you'd be sorting tense. I thought you were on about length of being "tried" in a role, it's very vague yes but trivial... His trial is on going and so far so good Goodnight paul.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2014 0:24:05 GMT
What the fuck are you on about? Please quote me on having 'made my mind up' - I haven't remotely said anything of the sort - indeed I SAID he should be given another chance there. I was simply correcting you on your assertion that he hadn't ever been tried in the holding role, which is clearly wrong, as he played in exactly that position today. Dear god that's so stupidly trivial and retarded that on the same day of the match you'd be sorting tense. I thought you were on about length of being "tried" in a role, it's very vague yes but trivial... His trial is on going and so far so good Goodnight paul. It's got nothing to do with correcting tense or anything remotely similar but rather, to do with wondering why you would suggest things that are patently untrue. But hey, goodnight anyway.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 26, 2014 0:29:56 GMT
Dear god that's so stupidly trivial and retarded that on the same day of the match you'd be sorting tense. I thought you were on about length of being "tried" in a role, it's very vague yes but trivial... His trial is on going and so far so good Goodnight paul. It's got nothing to do with correcting tense or anything remotely similar but rather, to do with wondering why you would suggest things that are patently untrue. But hey, goodnight anyway. It wasn't untrue that today it was his first time being tried. Tomorrow get a fucking life mate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2014 0:34:11 GMT
It's got nothing to do with correcting tense or anything remotely similar but rather, to do with wondering why you would suggest things that are patently untrue. But hey, goodnight anyway. It wasn't untrue that today it was his first time being tried. Tomorrow get a fucking life mate. Yeah that's what I've been telling you, it was YOU who said he hadn't. And absolutely no need to start getting aggressive chap.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 26, 2014 0:36:15 GMT
It wasn't untrue that today it was his first time being tried. Tomorrow get a fucking life mate. Yeah that's what I've been telling you, it was YOU who said he hadn't. And absolutely no need to start getting aggressive chap. You obviously have not heard of a world clock. WOOOOsh.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 26, 2014 0:39:02 GMT
Yeah that's what I've been telling you, it was YOU who said he hadn't. And absolutely no need to start getting aggressive chap. You obviously have not heard of a world clock. WOOOOsh. Ok.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 26, 2014 0:48:42 GMT
Its not been seen so how do you know? He hasn't even been tried in the holding role either. Btw, the same was said of Glenn years ago that he'd never be a cdm but could do the holding role. Here we are. Mate what are you on about? He was tried in the 'holding' role today. And Pulis played him as a CAM, so it HAS been seen. I think he should be given another go in the holding role but he really needs to learn to 'sit' and hold his position and not go charging off and leaving big gaps in front of the centre backs. What is he ever on about
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Post by right on Oct 26, 2014 0:59:28 GMT
Cameron, such a polarizing player.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 26, 2014 1:08:09 GMT
Cameron, such a polarizing player. It's because we have the Whelan fan club butt hurt by actual stats showing a good debut for said player applying for the I quote 'whelan role' There is bound to be the Irish brigade in here. A few have shown per usual just because it has Cameron in the title. See anything involving the 3 W's as reference lol The defense of Marc Wilson's prestigious start to the season is just as hilarious.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 26, 2014 1:16:37 GMT
Cameron, such a polarizing player. It's because we have the Whelan fan club butt hurt by actual stats showing a good debut for said player applying for the I quote 'whelan role' There is bound to be the Irish brigade in here. A few have shown per usual just because it has Cameron in the title. See anything involving the 3 W's as reference lol The defense of Marc Wilson's prestigious start to the season is just as hilarious. So he's shit at right back it's a Wilko fan club, has a poor game in midfield yet people are willing to give him a chance its a Whelan fan club Is this Irish brigade the same as the anti American one.
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