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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 16:32:27 GMT
Refs who see a shirt pull give penalties, are you joking?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 23, 2014 16:38:19 GMT
Refs who see a shirt pull give penalties, are you joking? In open play, yes. Where it's much easier to spot. It's a foul, see. They should award them at set pieces too, but they don't.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 23, 2014 17:54:12 GMT
Refs who see a shirt pull give penalties, are you joking?
Pulling an opponents shirt to gain an advantage is a foul fact, wherever on the pitch it occurs they are the rules he clearly has a handful of Moses shirt therefore it is foul play, the incident occurred inside the eighteen yard box and as such is a penalty, the ref saw it gave it we scored from it goal simples really, you are acting like an infantile jealous Vale fan which I believe going on the bull shit you come out is exactly what you are, I for one will not be replying or reacting to any of your future posts you clearly get of on it.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 23, 2014 18:05:01 GMT
Refs who see a shirt pull give penalties, are you joking? In open play, yes. Where it's much easier to spot. It's a foul, see. They should award them at set pieces too, but they don't. Except against us
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Post by retired1 on Oct 23, 2014 18:07:51 GMT
I guess TP was surprised to seee a Stoke player in the opponents box and winning a penalty.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 23, 2014 18:09:36 GMT
Refs who see a shirt pull give penalties, are you joking?
Pulling an opponents shirt to gain an advantage is a foul fact, wherever on the pitch it occurs they are the rules he clearly has a handful of Moses shirt therefore it is foul play, the incident occurred inside the eighteen yard box and as such is a penalty, the ref saw it gave it we scored from it goal simples really, you are acting like an infantile jealous Vale fan which I believe going on the bull shit you come out is exactly what you are, I for one will not be replying or reacting to any of your future posts you clearly get of on it.
Whether he's a Vale fan or not doesn't really matter mate. Either way he's a whopping WUM. You watch, he hooks someone in, drops some jawdroppinly ridiculous comment and then when you try to pin him down, he jumps onto someone else's comment and tries to reel them in, completely ignoring the difficult questions posed by the previous victim.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 19:48:21 GMT
Very disappointed in pulis. Adding fuel to the fire. The fallout could have detrimental impact on moses and the club this season, despite the fact that this wasn't an example of blatant cheating and was simply a debatable decision.
Dear oh dear, pulis acting like someone with an axe to grind
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:15:36 GMT
as I posted earlier I knew exactly where this thread would end up. Yet another excuse for a Tone hating session. No idea whatsoever what the bloke ever did to upset so many Stoke Fans. Even Sparky has acknowledged all he's done for us. Guess some folk will always have an axe to grind.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 23, 2014 20:20:33 GMT
as I posted earlier I knew exactly where this thread would end up. Yet another excuse for a Tone hating session. No idea whatsoever what the bloke ever did to upset so many Stoke Fans. Even Sparky has acknowledged all he's done for us. Guess some folk will always have an axe to grind. He should have kept his thoughts to himself, he is not even in football management now so what relevance are his opinions, he appears to be the one with the axe to grind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:27:14 GMT
as I posted earlier I knew exactly where this thread would end up. Yet another excuse for a Tone hating session. No idea whatsoever what the bloke ever did to upset so many Stoke Fans. Even Sparky has acknowledged all he's done for us. Guess some folk will always have an axe to grind. My axe was grinded a long time ago! Strange that of all the clear incidents of cheating we see each week he singles out a stoke player for an incident which clearly was NOT blatant cheating and defends garry monk who coatesy was rightly very critical of.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Oct 23, 2014 20:28:21 GMT
as I posted earlier I knew exactly where this thread would end up. Yet another excuse for a Tone hating session. No idea whatsoever what the bloke ever did to upset so many Stoke Fans. Even Sparky has acknowledged all he's done for us. Guess some folk will always have an axe to grind. He should have kept his thoughts to himself, he is not even in football management now so what relevance are his opinions, he appears to be the one with the axe to grind. He was asked about it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:34:44 GMT
He should have kept his thoughts to himself, he is not even in football management now so what relevance are his opinions, he appears to be the one with the axe to grind. He was asked about it Asked about it then goes on his usual rant about punishing divers, inferring that moses is a cheat etc.... talking absolute bollocks which will have an adverse impact on the career of a current stoke player. Sorry, who is ungrateful?
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 23, 2014 20:44:11 GMT
Asked about it then goes on his usual rant about punishing divers, inferring that moses is a cheat etc.... talking absolute bollocks which will have an adverse impact on the career of a current stoke player. Sorry, who is ungrateful? He could have said that Moses didn't dive and that would have cleared up any misunderstanding.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 20:45:24 GMT
Tony Pulis. The master of bending the rules. You can thank this hypocrite for the shadow that is now cast on our captain and team for shirt pulling and grappling in the area at set plays. The irony. Pulis is not responsible for our team anymore, Hughes is. Shawcross has been doing this all season, as he and every other defender does every match. Pulis and his pygmy started this nonsense and it is now ingrained into Ryan. Pulis did nothing to discourage it during his time here. After it affected the team, Hughes sorted it out in one half time of a game. Something Pulis did everything to avoid doing in 7 years here. Sorry, this is one thing attached to our Tony that you simply cannot deny or attach to someone else. Remember, this is the same Tony Pulis that ordered his team to play on the pitch in the zone's Chelsea would, in the run up to the game so the pitch would cut up and disrupt their game. This is the same Tony Pulis who gave Rory Delap and Ryan Shotton towels stitched into their tops to wipe balls with. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to cut the grass longer or shorter depending on the opposition. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to get his teams to bang it long for yardage for long throw ins. I have nothing against gamesmanship in order to gain an advantage. All is fair in love and war. I have a massive problem against hypocritical bastards that try every trick in the book themselves yet moan like drains when others try it. Cheating is cheating whether it is a dive, going down easy or stitching a towel into a top to dry a football. There is not one jot of difference. Anything in order to gain an advantage is cheating to one degree or another. As far as i'm concerned, he can take his opinions and stick them where the sun don't shine. He's not our manager any more and what he has said here has done nothing but go against our club.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 20:52:18 GMT
Stitching a towel into a top is cheating?
Cutting the grass long/short is cheating?
Kicking the ball long is cheating?
Was Tone ever charged by the F.A. for these outrageous acts?
Shame on you Mr Pulis.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2014 20:56:12 GMT
Very disappointed in pulis. Adding fuel to the fire. The fallout could have detrimental impact on moses and the club this season, despite the fact that this wasn't an example of blatant cheating and was simply a debatable decision. Dear oh dear, pulis acting like someone with an axe to grind Or, in fact, someone who was asked a question and gave an honest opinion.
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Post by wearestoke80 on Oct 23, 2014 20:57:26 GMT
Pulis is not responsible for our team anymore, Hughes is. Shawcross has been doing this all season, as he and every other defender does every match. Pulis and his pygmy started this nonsense and it is now ingrained into Ryan. Pulis did nothing to discourage it during his time here. After it affected the team, Hughes sorted it out in one half time of a game. Something Pulis did everything to avoid doing in 7 years here. Sorry, this is one thing attached to our Tony that you simply cannot deny or attach to someone else. Remember, this is the same Tony Pulis that ordered his team to play on the pitch in the zone's Chelsea would, in the run up to the game so the pitch would cut up and disrupt their game. This is the same Tony Pulis who gave Rory Delap and Ryan Shotton towels stitched into their tops to wipe balls with. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to cut the grass longer or shorter depending on the opposition. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to get his teams to bang it long for yardage for long throw ins. I have nothing against gamesmanship in order to gain an advantage. All is fair in love and war. I have a massive problem against hypocritical bastards that try every trick in the book themselves yet moan like drains when others try it. Cheating is cheating whether it is a dive, going down easy or stitching a towel into a top to dry a football. There is not one jot of difference. Anything in order to gain an advantage is cheating to one degree or another. As far as i'm concerned, he can take his opinions and stick them where the sun don't shine. He's not our manager any more and what he has said here has done nothing but go against our club. This is the same tony pulis that got us to premier league and kept us there This is the same tony pulis that got to a FA cup final This is the same tony pulis that got us into Europe
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2014 20:58:44 GMT
as I posted earlier I knew exactly where this thread would end up. Yet another excuse for a Tone hating session. No idea whatsoever what the bloke ever did to upset so many Stoke Fans. Even Sparky has acknowledged all he's done for us. Guess some folk will always have an axe to grind. He should have kept his thoughts to himself, he is not even in football management now so what relevance are his opinions, he appears to be the one with the axe to grind. So you are only allowed an opinion if you're in football management, may as well close the board then.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2014 20:59:29 GMT
Stitching a towel into a top is cheating? Cutting the grass long/short is cheating? Kicking the ball long is cheating? Was Tone ever charged by the F.A. for these outrageous acts? Shame on you Mr Pulis. Did you not know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 21:05:00 GMT
Stitching a towel into a top is cheating? Cutting the grass long/short is cheating? Kicking the ball long is cheating? Was Tone ever charged by the F.A. for these outrageous acts? Shame on you Mr Pulis. It's bending the rules to gain an advantage. Moses had his shirt pulled and we have this hypocrite labelling him a cheat and calling for him to be banned. You missed the point. I'm not surprised.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 21:06:37 GMT
I mean kicking the ball long to get throw ins and then wiping the ball dry, it's scandalous.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 21:07:28 GMT
I mean kicking the ball long to get throw ins and then wiping the ball dry, it's scandalous. It is when you are paying 30 quid a pop to watch it.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 21:09:26 GMT
Well you should have written to Tone and told him if Stoke players wipe the ball dry I'm not going to games anymore.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Oct 23, 2014 21:11:46 GMT
Pulis is not responsible for our team anymore, Hughes is. Shawcross has been doing this all season, as he and every other defender does every match. Pulis and his pygmy started this nonsense and it is now ingrained into Ryan. Pulis did nothing to discourage it during his time here. After it affected the team, Hughes sorted it out in one half time of a game. Something Pulis did everything to avoid doing in 7 years here. Sorry, this is one thing attached to our Tony that you simply cannot deny or attach to someone else. Remember, this is the same Tony Pulis that ordered his team to play on the pitch in the zone's Chelsea would, in the run up to the game so the pitch would cut up and disrupt their game. This is the same Tony Pulis who gave Rory Delap and Ryan Shotton towels stitched into their tops to wipe balls with. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to cut the grass longer or shorter depending on the opposition. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to get his teams to bang it long for yardage for long throw ins. I have nothing against gamesmanship in order to gain an advantage. All is fair in love and war. I have a massive problem against hypocritical bastards that try every trick in the book themselves yet moan like drains when others try it. Cheating is cheating whether it is a dive, going down easy or stitching a towel into a top to dry a football. There is not one jot of difference. Anything in order to gain an advantage is cheating to one degree or another. As far as i'm concerned, he can take his opinions and stick them where the sun don't shine. He's not our manager any more and what he has said here has done nothing but go against our club. Let go mate FFS
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 21:14:22 GMT
For once I agree with every single word Pulis says. He is bang on the money and he is talking about Moses. Any Stoke fan who doesn't think that Moses went to ground on purpose to try and make sure he got a penalty needs to take off their red and white blinkers because it's embarrassing.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 23, 2014 21:15:14 GMT
He should have kept his thoughts to himself, he is not even in football management now so what relevance are his opinions, he appears to be the one with the axe to grind. So you are only allowed an opinion if you're in football management, may as well close the board then. He was not airing his views on this message board he was in fact talking to the media , not sure they have the same impact nationally what a weapon you are
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 23, 2014 21:18:21 GMT
So you are only allowed an opinion if you're in football management, may as well close the board then. He was not airing his views on this message board he was in fact talking to the media , not sure they have the same impact nationally what a weapon you are You calling someone a weapon
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 23, 2014 21:22:24 GMT
Pulis is not responsible for our team anymore, Hughes is. Shawcross has been doing this all season, as he and every other defender does every match. Pulis and his pygmy started this nonsense and it is now ingrained into Ryan. Pulis did nothing to discourage it during his time here. After it affected the team, Hughes sorted it out in one half time of a game. Something Pulis did everything to avoid doing in 7 years here. Sorry, this is one thing attached to our Tony that you simply cannot deny or attach to someone else. Remember, this is the same Tony Pulis that ordered his team to play on the pitch in the zone's Chelsea would, in the run up to the game so the pitch would cut up and disrupt their game. This is the same Tony Pulis who gave Rory Delap and Ryan Shotton towels stitched into their tops to wipe balls with. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to cut the grass longer or shorter depending on the opposition. This is the same Tony Pulis that used to get his teams to bang it long for yardage for long throw ins. I have nothing against gamesmanship in order to gain an advantage. All is fair in love and war. I have a massive problem against hypocritical bastards that try every trick in the book themselves yet moan like drains when others try it. Cheating is cheating whether it is a dive, going down easy or stitching a towel into a top to dry a football. There is not one jot of difference. Anything in order to gain an advantage is cheating to one degree or another. As far as i'm concerned, he can take his opinions and stick them where the sun don't shine. He's not our manager any more and what he has said here has done nothing but go against our club. None of those things are cheating though. They are all perfectly legitimate things to do that are well within the laws of the game. Diving - and that's without commenting on Moses - is definitely cheating and directly undermines the very foundation of the game. Being an outrageously irritating pedant, I feel obliged to mention that they weren't actually towels, but vests with the bits under the arms cut out - purely for comfort, obviously.
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Post by liamo on Oct 23, 2014 21:25:09 GMT
Love Pulis for what he's done for us but i can't help but not really care about his opinion on this, both Pennant and Fuller went down very very very easily on occasion under Pulis and he had no problem with it, pennant especially was inclined to fall over if the wind caught him wrong
For me it's a bit annoying considering Pulis pushed some rules to the limits, it wasn't cheating but it was frowned upon amongst many
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 23, 2014 21:35:33 GMT
Diving/falling over/feigning injury are spoiling many games, not only because the referee has to keep stopping the game, but also these acts can alter the outcome and result.
I understand perfectly fans who defend their own players from outside criticism, that's part of being a supporter, but getting rid of this type of gamesmanship would be a massive boost to the game, whether you attend matches or watch on the television.
The prize in solving these issues therefore is huge and that's why I think in these sorts of cases blindly defending diving and other forms of gamesmanship is misguided.
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