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Post by siggy on Oct 20, 2014 22:41:22 GMT
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Post by Bagwash on Oct 21, 2014 0:08:51 GMT
Good listen that,cheers matey. Hats off to Peter Coates.He certainly fights our corner when any of our players or our club are being slagged off.Thought Robbie Savage talked a lot of sense until he remarked that he knew John Hartson well and if he was a Swansea fan it would not affect his opinion.Yeah, right.
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Post by partickpotter on Oct 21, 2014 5:56:46 GMT
Good listen that,cheers matey. Hats off to Peter Coates.He certainly fights our corner when any of our players or our club are being slagged off.Thought Robbie Savage talked a lot of sense until he remarked that he knew John Hartson well and if he was a Swansea fan it would not affect his opinion.Yeah, right. I listened to that yesterday and thought Peter did an OK job. It was interesting how the Radio 5 presenter was more interested in defending the BBC rather than the rights and wrongs of the actual incident including Monk's comments. Savage was doing sort of OK but showed his true colours when he couldn't bring himself to criticise Hartson.
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 21, 2014 8:17:39 GMT
Sometimes it's better not to say anything.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 21, 2014 8:20:00 GMT
Sometimes it's better not to say anything. Is it though? It's not really worked for us in the past.
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 21, 2014 8:31:55 GMT
Sometimes it's better not to say anything. Is it though? It's not really worked for us in the past. LMH thought so and I agree with him. I don't see any evidence that we have been targeted for special attention. Possibly for Rory's throws when we were first promoted and the ref started to allow a lot more extra time but that soon stopped. Shawx holds and he may be one of the worst offenders but he isn't alone in doing so, if it were stamped out it may be a better game but it would have to turn into a non contact event or have as many refs as they do in American rugby.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 21, 2014 8:40:33 GMT
Is it though? It's not really worked for us in the past. LMH thought so and I agree with him. I don't see any evidence that we have been targeted for special attention. Possibly for Rory's throws when we were first promoted and the ref started to allow a lot more extra time but that soon stopped. Shawx holds and he may be one of the worst offenders but he isn't alone in doing so, if it were stamped out it may be a better game but it would have to turn into a non contact event or have as many refs as they do in American rugby. Mark Hughes has commented though, on what Monk had said after the game. Has he been interviewed since? You don't think that this has been blown out of proportion? It happens in most games, yet when little old stoke do it, it gets discussed, and shown and commented on by all these so called 'experts'. The holding isn't really an issue, everyone, including Hughes and Coates, knows Ryan is a bugger for it. What we want to make sure is that its now not only us that get punished for it, as (again) it goes on in every single game. Edit. Mark Bowen has spoken though. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29699490
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 21, 2014 9:34:57 GMT
LMH thought so and I agree with him. I don't see any evidence that we have been targeted for special attention. Possibly for Rory's throws when we were first promoted and the ref started to allow a lot more extra time but that soon stopped. Shawx holds and he may be one of the worst offenders but he isn't alone in doing so, if it were stamped out it may be a better game but it would have to turn into a non contact event or have as many refs as they do in American rugby. Mark Hughes has commented though, on what Monk had said after the game. Has he been interviewed since? You don't think that this has been blown out of proportion? It happens in most games, yet when little old stoke do it, it gets discussed, and shown and commented on by all these so called 'experts'. The holding isn't really an issue, everyone, including Hughes and Coates, knows Ryan is a bugger for it. What we want to make sure is that its now not only us that get punished for it, as (again) it goes on in every single game. Edit. Mark Bowen has spoken though. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29699490It doesn't matter what the pundits say, they are there to talk bollocks and they do it very well. There are a few exceptions, but if Gary Monk had kept his comments on the events in the game and not gone overboard with the attack on Moses he and everyone else would have come out of this a little better. Why anyone is interested in what Shearer and co. have to say is baffling, the BBC should save some money and stick to the highlights. You can forgive (to a degree) the commentators for talking bollocks if they are seeing it 'live' and getting it wrong but someone in the studio with time and someone to highlight things for them is pathetic and a poor reflection of themselves that they cannot do a better job. The media love this kind of non-story.
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Post by k on Oct 21, 2014 9:45:34 GMT
Completely understand some people's views about it being a waste of time by Coates, and it not going anywhere, etc. I agree, it won't make any difference to anything. However, I do think it's refreshing having a chairman who speaks out with his heart (rather than his head) sometimes, as it shows the passion is there. He's just a fan at the end of the day, and his method of griping is much the same as many on here who vent steam with a rant, letter to the Beeb, etc. Good on him. Plus I suspect Moses would appreciate the supporting words, and if that gives us a 0.1% edge to help sign him on a permanent basis then all the better. Much rather a passionate, history respectful owner, than some painting by numbers foreign chairman who tries to turn us into the 'Trent City Rollers' and adopt the symbol as a china teapot for our club badge!
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Post by metalhead on Oct 21, 2014 11:19:04 GMT
LMH thought so and I agree with him. I don't see any evidence that we have been targeted for special attention. Possibly for Rory's throws when we were first promoted and the ref started to allow a lot more extra time but that soon stopped. Shawx holds and he may be one of the worst offenders but he isn't alone in doing so, if it were stamped out it may be a better game but it would have to turn into a non contact event or have as many refs as they do in American rugby. Mark Hughes has commented though, on what Monk had said after the game. Has he been interviewed since? You don't think that this has been blown out of proportion? It happens in most games, yet when little old stoke do it, it gets discussed, and shown and commented on by all these so called 'experts'. The holding isn't really an issue, everyone, including Hughes and Coates, knows Ryan is a bugger for it. What we want to make sure is that its now not only us that get punished for it, as (again) it goes on in every single game. Edit. Mark Bowen has spoken though. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29699490Totally agree on this one. How well has keeping quiet and dignified help with the Ramsey thing eh? We've shut up, kept our dignity, stayed respectful, and allowed that bunch of despicable fuckwits to run riot with the media to the point now that's unfashionable to praise Ryan Shawcross in the media without at least reminding every dimwitted listener that he once made a mistimed tackle resulting in a horrific injury. Peter Coates interview was spot on. He said absolutely everything that needed to be said. He deserves praise for that.
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Post by Gods on Oct 21, 2014 11:33:30 GMT
Robbie "roomed with John for 7 years" and he doesn't know if he is a Swansea fan or not I wonder what they talked about?!
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 21, 2014 11:34:48 GMT
But adding fuel to a fire makes it burn brighter longer.
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 21, 2014 11:35:39 GMT
Robbie "roomed with John for 7 years" and he doesn't know if he is a Swansea fan or not I wonder what they talked about?! Hair care.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 21, 2014 11:40:31 GMT
But adding fuel to a fire makes it burn brighter longer. History suggest that there are plenty of people willing to add fuel for us. So we could either say nothing and it drags on or support our player (who's own name and seemingly ours is being dragged through the mud) and it drags on. I'd rather the latter.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 21, 2014 11:41:13 GMT
Robbie "roomed with John for 7 years" and he doesn't know if he is a Swansea fan or not I wonder what they talked about?! What a sheeps fanny smells like?
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Post by reddipotter on Oct 21, 2014 11:47:40 GMT
I've listened to the podcast. What is this thing called a "pennalee" that Monk keeps talking about?
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Post by mrpickles on Oct 21, 2014 12:01:16 GMT
Robbie "roomed with John for 7 years" and he doesn't know if he is a Swansea fan or not I wonder what they talked about?! Fuck all Hartson was brought up to not talk when he was eating.
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Post by foster on Oct 21, 2014 12:30:33 GMT
But adding fuel to a fire makes it burn brighter longer. That's not really true is it? You could have a wood fire burning, then add coal and it wouldn't burn brighter. Depends on a number of variables like what the fire is currently burning on, what type of fuel you're adding, how the two fuel types react together, etc.
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Post by foster on Oct 21, 2014 12:32:00 GMT
Sometimes it's better not to say anything. Has Joey Barton logged in with your account or something?
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 21, 2014 12:33:38 GMT
But adding fuel to a fire makes it burn brighter longer. That's not really true is it? You could have a wood fire burning, then add coal and it wouldn't burn brighter. Depends on a number of variables like what the fire is currently burning on, what type of fuel you're adding, how the two fuel types react together, etc. You're on fire today.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Oct 21, 2014 12:37:00 GMT
Mark Hughes has commented though, on what Monk had said after the game. Has he been interviewed since? You don't think that this has been blown out of proportion? It happens in most games, yet when little old stoke do it, it gets discussed, and shown and commented on by all these so called 'experts'. The holding isn't really an issue, everyone, including Hughes and Coates, knows Ryan is a bugger for it. What we want to make sure is that its now not only us that get punished for it, as (again) it goes on in every single game. Edit. Mark Bowen has spoken though. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29699490It doesn't matter what the pundits say, they are there to talk bollocks and they do it very well. There are a few exceptions, but if Gary Monk had kept his comments on the events in the game and not gone overboard with the attack on Moses he and everyone else would have come out of this a little better. Why anyone is interested in what Shearer and co. have to say is baffling, the BBC should save some money and stick to the highlights. You can forgive (to a degree) the commentators for talking bollocks if they are seeing it 'live' and getting it wrong but someone in the studio with time and someone to highlight things for them is pathetic and a poor reflection of themselves that they cannot do a better job. The media love this kind of non-story. Great description of numpty pundits. I reckon: 1. Was Shawcross's holding a penalty? Yes it was. 2. Does every defence do something similar at every corner? Yes they do. 3. In fact, does virtually every professional footballer systematically cheat - and often attempt to intimidate the ref? Yes. 4. Was the penalty award influenced by the MoTD focus of his holding at QPR - and poss other games? Impossible to say, but quite feasibly. 5. In fact, is there just a general impression - within the game, incl refs - that Shawcross is a "physical" player? Impossible to say, but quite feasibly. 6. Did Moses "buy" the penalty? Yes he did. 7. Was that an opportunity for the ref to even things up? Yes it was. 8. Did Moses do anything that does not happen - whether in the box or not - at every game? No he didn't. 9. Is Bony's (for example) tendency to go down any less worthy of criticism than Moses? No it isn't. 10. Are refs generally responsible for making dodgy decisions? Almost invariably not (altho of course they do make mistakes). See 3 above. Cheating and intimidation of officials is endemic. The only surprising thing is that refs seem to get so many decisions right. 11. Do we, over a season get significantly fewer decisions for than against? Never counted, but I honestly doubt it. 12. Does anyone over the age of 8 take anything Hartson says remotely seriously - whether he is commentating on Swansea or not? I would hope not. 13. Is Hartson in fact comedy numpty gold? Yes he is - fully expect to see him on Strictly Come Prancing - not that I watch it, mind. 14. Was Coates right to say what he did on R5? Yes he was - he has nothing to lose. And possibly he evens up the impression described at 4 above.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Oct 21, 2014 12:43:06 GMT
Completely understand some people's views about it being a waste of time by Coates, and it not going anywhere, etc. I agree, it won't make any difference to anything. However, I do think it's refreshing having a chairman who speaks out with his heart (rather than his head) sometimes, as it shows the passion is there. He's just a fan at the end of the day, and his method of griping is much the same as many on here who vent steam with a rant, letter to the Beeb, etc. Good on him. Plus I suspect Moses would appreciate the supporting words, and if that gives us a 0.1% edge to help sign him on a permanent basis then all the better. Much rather a passionate, history respectful owner, than some painting by numbers foreign chairman who tries to turn us into the 'Trent City Rollers' and adopt the symbol as a china teapot for our club badge!I think you are on to something. Personally I would go for a piece of sanitary-ware. Nothing says "Stoke and Proud" more eloquently than a lavatory. Mind you, I would stick to white. Avocado hasn't come back into fashion - not quite yet...
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Post by Gods on Oct 21, 2014 12:49:37 GMT
I just listened again. You could feel Coates indignation from his clipped tones couldn't you? Guess this one was the ultimate double whammy for the Chairman: some one in the read and white stripes of Stoke City (the club he loves) with Bet365 emblazoned on his shirt (the business he founded) tarnished with what must be almost the ultimate slur, particularly for a man of his generation and roots, the dreaded "c" CHEAT word
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 12:53:43 GMT
i expect an apolgy fairly soon from Monk anyway. not just because he'll do what it takes to get off a charge but even most of the Swansea fans now have seen the photos and accept that Rangel obviously lied to monk at halftime, they've even got a thread up caling for Monk to apologise after seeing the photos.
yes they are some that are still being insulting towards us but most on there now seem to accept that it was a pen (soft or not) and that Monk was out of order with what he said.
"I think he made the most of it but Rangel fouled him inside the box.
If that happened to us we'd think it was a penalty.
Gomez and Chico would go down over far less and few batted an eyelid."
"Grabbing an opponents shirt after they have gone past you is a foul."
"Making the best of a situation" just basically means there was a situation there in the first place to make best of ie the fist full of shirt Rangel had of him. Was it a poor decision - "possibly"! Not definitely."
"Monk was mistaken and it could be argued that Angel has actually told porkies on the official site."
"You can't go calling fellow pro's cheats!! Even when someone has blatantly dived you almost never, if at all ever, hear managers or players using that word.
We should have issued an apology by now and man'd up about it all."
"I think the problem is, and we've seen it ourselves, is that quite often referees don't give the foul unless you go down. Look at the Hull goal at Arsenal on the weekend, a clear foul but because Flamini stayed on his feet the ref ignored it and Hull scored. When players are not being given decisions unless they go to ground it's no surprise that the amount of diving increases."
"I like the guy but, he's made an error and needs to make that clear to the player involved, the ref and Stoke City.
Moses still threw himself to the floor but there's a difference between letting the ref know that you've been impeded and 'cheating'.
Garry - do your club a service and publicly apologise. Take it on the chin and move on having learn't a lesson."
"Martyrman57 - he didn't tell the truth did he. If you have a handful of shirt in the penalty area and a penalty is given against you - you can't then start calling people cheats on TV. The guy did fall to the ground like a sack full - well f88k me that's never happened before has it. None of our players has ever bought a soft one have they. Flores was, on occasion, an embarrassment when he was at the club."
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Post by wembley4372 on Oct 21, 2014 13:04:19 GMT
But adding fuel to a fire makes it burn brighter longer. That's not really true is it? You could have a wood fire burning, then add coal and it wouldn't burn brighter. Depends on a number of variables like what the fire is currently burning on, what type of fuel you're adding, how the two fuel types react together, etc. If you don't understand the point foster just say so.
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