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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2014 21:14:05 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Oct 20, 2014 21:34:52 GMT
1% of the vote at the last general election that's less than the BNP.
No chance of MPs outside of Brighton
There isn't enough of a public appetite to have them on TV.
UKIP is a serious contender to get a large share of the vote and a lot more MPs.
Ukip are more relevant on a national scale.
Ratings. Means farage and the rest of the mainstream parties. Not Lucas and the minority parties.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 20, 2014 21:42:38 GMT
1% of the vote at the last general election that's less than the BNP. No chance of MPs outside of Brighton There isn't enough of a public appetite to have them on TV. UKIP is a serious contender to get a large share of the vote and a lot more MPs. Ukip are more relevant on a national scale. Ratings. Means farage and the rest of the mainstream parties. Not Lucas and the minority parties. Even though the latest poll puts them ahead of the Libdems?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 20, 2014 21:52:33 GMT
Yes.
They are not a national party. They do well in certain areas but have very little support in the industrial North.
Polls mean very little. It's performance in general elections that matter.
And please don't mention success in Euro elections it's a different beast and If they got tv debate time on the strength of euros it would have meant giving nick griffin a place last election
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Post by santy on Oct 20, 2014 23:01:49 GMT
For all the criticism of UKIP and a general lack of policies across the board, I've never once been informed of a single policy of the green party - they could be brilliant with amazing ideas on taxation and public spending as well as bringing in sustainable technologies and industries or absolute lunatics who insist the only way to undo the damage is to embark upon some nationwide suicide pact which leaves Britain to wild animals, devoid of human presence.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 21, 2014 6:04:51 GMT
Lunatics
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 21, 2014 9:09:56 GMT
In a real democracy they would without doubt have the chance.
Only a "lunatic" would believe that we actually live in one though.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 21, 2014 9:19:42 GMT
Yes. They are not a national party. They do well in certain areas but have very little support in the industrial North. Polls mean very little. It's performance in general elections that matter. And please don't mention success in Euro elections it's a different beast and If they got tv debate time on the strength of euros it would have meant giving nick griffin a place last election Polls are showing they have a chance of 12 MP's 28% of 18-24 year olds considering voting for them That's a lot of "lunatics" as you call them.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 21, 2014 9:20:56 GMT
For all the criticism of UKIP and a general lack of policies across the board, I've never once been informed of a single policy of the green party - they could be brilliant with amazing ideas on taxation and public spending as well as bringing in sustainable technologies and industries or absolute lunatics who insist the only way to undo the damage is to embark upon some nationwide suicide pact which leaves Britain to wild animals, devoid of human presence. greenparty.org.uk/values/All here...have a look.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Oct 21, 2014 9:21:42 GMT
Disgraceful comment but hardly surprising from you.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 21, 2014 10:35:11 GMT
1% of the vote at the last general election that's less than the BNP. No chance of MPs outside of Brighton There isn't enough of a public appetite to have them on TV. UKIP is a serious contender to get a large share of the vote and a lot more MPs. Ukip are more relevant on a national scale. Ratings. Means farage and the rest of the mainstream parties. Not Lucas and the minority parties. Even though the latest poll puts them ahead of the Libdems? Polls mean nothing would you have been happy including Nick Griffin in national TV Debates when his legal party had decent (for them) polling figures. i wouldnt have been They need to become a relevant national party first
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Post by salopstick on Oct 21, 2014 10:40:53 GMT
Disgraceful comment but hardly surprising from you. what is disgraceful is when the green MP thinks because they are not getting their own way "fuck it" we will just block the roads hardly sends out the right message
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Post by redstriper on Oct 21, 2014 11:06:19 GMT
The greens are against nuclear power AND fracking AND fossil fuels.
They live in a left wing dreamworld where the country is powered by a few solar panels and a million expensive windmills which don't work when the wind is strong.
I was in Brighton last week - what a fucking dump it has become. I've never seen so many beggars in a town centre, that's what you get when you encourage a something for nothing culture.
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 21, 2014 12:56:22 GMT
The greens are against nuclear power AND fracking AND fossil fuels. They live in a left wing dreamworld where the country is powered by a few solar panels and a million expensive windmills which don't work when the wind is strong. I was in Brighton last week - what a fucking dump it has become. I've never seen so many beggars in a town centre, that's what you get when you encourage a something for nothing culture. Hahahahah......pisser. Do you write for the Daily Mail?
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Post by salopstick on Oct 21, 2014 12:59:22 GMT
ive just what thery want to do, some good ideas on their site
no idea of how to pay for it all but good stuff regardless
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 21, 2014 13:17:05 GMT
Well they would scrap Trident for a start.
They'd also probably be a bit less enthusiastic on spending public money dropping bombs in illegal wars.
They might not turn a blind eye to corporations avoiding tax to the tune of billions.
All clearly "Lunatic" ideas though. Bloody tree huggers, everywhere will end up as bad as Brighton if they got their way.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 21, 2014 13:17:55 GMT
The greens are against nuclear power AND fracking AND fossil fuels. They live in a left wing dreamworld where the country is powered by a few solar panels and a million expensive windmills which don't work when the wind is strong. I was in Brighton last week - what a fucking dump it has become. I've never seen so many beggars in a town centre, that's what you get when you encourage a something for nothing culture. Hahahahah......pisser. Do you write for the Daily Mail? Nope. I'm simply a realist living in the real world. Not some socialist la-la land where nobody (rich or poor) is greedy or lazy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 13:23:27 GMT
We live in a world where people are judged by the clothes they wear , the cars they drive and the politics they follow . The Greens emphasis is on saving the earths natural resources in such a way to preserve them for future generations . I suspect that the inevitable demise of the human race will coincide with euphoric rise in popularity of the Green Party. It all depends on how long this message will take for the human race to understand the principles. By then of course , it will all to too little ,too late.only the mega rich and landowners will survive .
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 21, 2014 13:25:39 GMT
Hahahahah......pisser. Do you write for the Daily Mail? Nope. I'm simply a realist living in the real world. Not some socialist la-la land where nobody (rich or poor) is greedy or lazy. A few solar panels and a million wind turbines (that don't work). Voting Green will create town centres full of beggars. Hahaha Keep on keeping it "real"
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Post by redstriper on Oct 21, 2014 14:01:33 GMT
The greens are against nuclear power AND fracking AND fossil fuels. They live in a left wing dreamworld where the country is powered by a few solar panels and a million expensive windmills which don't work when the wind is strong. I was in Brighton last week - what a fucking dump it has become. I've never seen so many beggars in a town centre, that's what you get when you encourage a something for nothing culture. Hahahahah......pisser. Do you write for the Daily Mail? As I said, I'm a realist, I deal in facts - as provided by the national grid in this case. turbinesA perfect example of left wing la-la land thinking from you, lets ignore the facts and rely on myopic idealist political dogma. Thanks for reinforcing the point for me....
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 21, 2014 14:44:33 GMT
Yeah you said. I get it.
Anybody who would disagree with the pearls of wisdom you posted is clearly some socialist who lives in la-la land.
As i said........Pisser.
Daily Mail land it is then.
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Post by redstriper on Oct 21, 2014 14:48:05 GMT
Yeah you said. I get it. Anybody who would disagree with the pearls of wisdom you posted is clearly some socialist who lives in la-la land. As i said........Pisser. Daily Mail land it is then. See the edit in my post above, I have put the facts before you, happy now ? or do you know better than the national grid ?
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 21, 2014 15:12:42 GMT
And that's it? Just a link to a telegraph article on how some wind turbines have to be switched off for 25 days a year because they produce too much power.
That's what you use to justify all the comments in your post.
"Facts"..........."real".........Pisser.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 21, 2014 16:12:39 GMT
If Caroline Lucas unveiled plans to build 500 turbines off the coast of Brighton she would lose all her votes.
People either want green energy or they don't.
Yeah turbines are great, I just don't want to look at them.
There is a downside of green. Would the greens force the planning through in the countryside.
Their manifesto looks reads like a communist wet dream. One big massive commune.
Great for a few guys on a campsite with matted hair but unrealistic for a country
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Post by redstriper on Oct 21, 2014 17:03:00 GMT
And that's it? Just a link to a telegraph article on how some wind turbines have to be switched off for 25 days a year because they produce too much power. That's what you use to justify all the comments in your post. "Facts"..........."real".........Pisser. My original post had a fact in it about the effectiveness of wind turbines, and a personal observation made last week about Brighton. So what's your problem ? In contrast all you seem to be able to do is write "pisser" a lot It's starting to look like comprehension of the written word isn't your strongpoint, let alone writing anything worthwhile. Maybe you should leave it there eh, rather than look an imbecile.
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 21, 2014 17:44:38 GMT
Just re-read your post.
If you can't see it then you never will so i will leave it there as it's you who can obviously not comprehend what you originally wrote.
Hints: 1."They live in a left wing dreamworld where the country is powered by a few solar panels and a million expensive windmills"
2."that's what you get when you encourage a something for nothing culture."
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 22, 2014 10:08:52 GMT
ive just what thery want to do, some good ideas on their site no idea of how to pay for it all but good stuff regardless I know the Green Party are a bit of a joke in most people's eyes and some of their 'Spokespeople' don't help matters but some of their policies are streets ahead of everyone else...Yes people will say that's bollocks but I know a few PhD Students who support The Greens..Physics/Chemistry background..They're not stupid people and they're not 'Dreamy Lefties' either. More and more Green Policies will become Mainstream over the next 10 years..and of course Labour & Tories will claim them for themselves. Wind Turbines what a stupid idea..who the fuck would have them? Solar-panels on houses..what a ridiculous idea..who pays for that? All new ideas originate 'outside the box' as we move from one paradigm to another, so to speak. Todays 'weirdo shit' is tomorrows mainstream 'common sense'.. Microbiotic suit-wearing, pony-tailed, vegetarian hippies
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Post by salopstick on Oct 22, 2014 10:24:43 GMT
ive just what thery want to do, some good ideas on their site no idea of how to pay for it all but good stuff regardless I know the Green Party are a bit of a joke in most people's eyes and some of their 'Spokespeople' don't help matters but some of their policies are streets ahead of everyone else...Yes people will say that's bollocks but I know a few PhD Students who support The Greens..Physics/Chemistry background..They're not stupid people and they're not 'Dreamy Lefties' either. More and more Green Policies will become Mainstream over the next 10 years..and of course Labour & Tories will claim them for themselves. Wind Turbines what a stupid idea..who the fuck would have them? Microbiotic suit-wearing, pony-tailed, vegetarian hippies im not saying that but after reading through their sight rather than go slow they want to put us the exteme green side, probably just as bad as where we are now. wind turbines are not a stupid idea, but everyone protests when they try to build them near to them, what are you to do
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Post by kbillyh on Oct 22, 2014 11:01:38 GMT
Protest tend to disappear when the locals are offered a stake in the wind turbines productivity.
This can take the form of free energy or a return on investments. Perceptions change in these circumstances, they go from being an ugly blot on the landscape to monuments of beauty creating free energy or generating profit from thin air.
Of course this would be a threat to the current power suppliers, hence the constant negative press slating them at every opportunity, anti renewable propaganda is rife.
The same rules apply for solar.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:25:04 GMT
ive just what thery want to do, some good ideas on their site no idea of how to pay for it all but good stuff regardless I know the Green Party are a bit of a joke in most people's eyes and some of their 'Spokespeople' don't help matters but some of their policies are streets ahead of everyone else...Yes people will say that's bollocks but I know a few PhD Students who support The Greens..Physics/Chemistry background..They're not stupid people and they're not 'Dreamy Lefties' either. More and more Green Policies will become Mainstream over the next 10 years..and of course Labour & Tories will claim them for themselves. Wind Turbines what a stupid idea..who the fuck would have them? Solar-panels on houses..what a ridiculous idea..who pays for that? All new ideas originate 'outside the box' as we move from one paradigm to another, so to speak. Todays 'weirdo shit' is tomorrows mainstream 'common sense'.. Microbiotic suit-wearing, pony-tailed, vegetarian hippies Indeed. Today's subject of merriment is tomorrow's method of ideology. My own daughter is one of these PHD students who grasped the principle of contention and focused her project work on the proposed wind turbine farm at Frodsham marshes at the southern end of the Mersey basin and what impact it would have on the local environment. the results of which can be examined by any one bothered enough to look. It all depends on your green credentials and how far sighted you are . There are pros and cons both sides.
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