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Post by no1972 on Oct 20, 2014 16:54:21 GMT
How many on this board who say Moses was pulled that hard it caused him to fall like a dying swan.Would of called him a diving cheat if it was against us.Be honest.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 20, 2014 16:56:45 GMT
Seriously?
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Post by Davef on Oct 20, 2014 16:57:50 GMT
How many on this board who say Moses was pulled that hard it caused him to fall like a dying swan.Would of called him a diving cheat if it was against us.Be honest. You'll get your answer the next time something similar happens against us, because as sure as eggs are eggs it will.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 20, 2014 16:58:01 GMT
How many on this board who say Moses was pulled that hard it caused him to fall like a dying swan.Would of called him a diving cheat if it was against us.Be honest. Quite. I also know that I'd need to use a bastard JCB to knock Bony over in real life, yet yesterday he seemed to have the presence of a feather whenever a bloke in red and white got within 4 foot of him. If you want to referee to an agenda lets see it done correctly.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 20, 2014 16:59:00 GMT
Let's have lots more bastard threads about this. Not.
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 20, 2014 17:01:37 GMT
What about the cast iron stonebonking penalty we were denied against Newcastle?
Good old Victor is what I say, fuck 'em.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 20, 2014 17:02:04 GMT
I haven't seen anyone on the board who says he was pulled back hard enough to cause him to fall. That isn't the point. His shirt was pulled. That is a foul. If it happens in the penalty area it is a penalty. Simples.
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Post by riproaring on Oct 20, 2014 17:02:26 GMT
It's all bollocks, all players go down too easily. It's irrelevant who they play for. once this "there was contact he's entitled to go down " is the norm, ever team is as bad you win some you lose a lot more if your stoke
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Oct 20, 2014 17:04:08 GMT
The referees have bought this on themselves to a certain degree. When was the last time the ref gave a penalty for someone who was fouled and tried to stay on his feet?
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 20, 2014 17:04:55 GMT
The problem of cheating is a serious threat to the health of the game, on most of the threads I've read posters are turning the issue into a bit of a farce.
Gamesmanship/cheating is widespread and no club/league/country can claim to be whiter than white, to turn this into an anti Stoke issue is nonsense.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 20, 2014 17:05:24 GMT
I haven't seen anyone on the board who says he was pulled back hard enough to cause him to fall. That isn't the point. His shirt was pulled. That is a foul. If it happens in the penalty area it is a penalty. Simples. Absolutely. Crouch should've had one too
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 20, 2014 17:05:29 GMT
It was a foul, a soft one but none the less. Funnily enough the very same MotD2 program advocated Arsenal's player ( Fabianski if I remember correctly ) diving over so that the ref knew he'd been fouled before Palace's goal. They cannot have it both ways.
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Post by chayzenbacon on Oct 20, 2014 17:06:33 GMT
The problem of cheating is a serious threat to the health of the game, on most of the threads I've read posters are turning the issue into a bit of a farce. Gamesmanship/cheating is widespread and no club/league/country can claim to be whiter than white, to turn this into an anti Stoke issue is nonsense. Nonsense? Really? How do you explain the coverage of this versus the coverage of Lampard's penalty then?
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Post by Davef on Oct 20, 2014 17:06:39 GMT
In any case, the OP has his answer. There have been plenty of people as critical of Ryan for his part in the Swansea penalty as there have been critical of a beast of a man who couldn't be knocked off the ball everywhere on the pitch except inside the penalty area on two occasions.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Oct 20, 2014 17:08:26 GMT
I haven't seen anyone on the board who says he was pulled back hard enough to cause him to fall. That isn't the point. His shirt was pulled. That is a foul. If it happens in the penalty area it is a penalty. Simples. Agreed. Shawcross had hold of bonehead (and obviously has a stronger grip) but did it cause bonehead to fall to the ground? Nope. If ones a penno shouldnt the other be?
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Post by no1972 on Oct 20, 2014 17:08:59 GMT
It's all bollocks all players go down too easily. It's irrelevant who they play for once this "there was contact he's entitled to go down " is the norm ever team is as bad you win some you lose a lot more if your stoke I agree but it dose not make it right; but with so many people trying to defend it because its a Stoke player, is a sign deep down that we really know we were a little lucky with the decision.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 17:10:42 GMT
This all reminds me of the situation in cricket. If the batsman does not hit the ball, and the ball is caught - if the umpire says he's out, then the batsman does the gentlemanly thing and walks off. If however he has hit the ball, and the umpire gives him not out, isn't he entitled to stand his ground? Or is that cheating?
Rough with the smooth comes to mind. Either way umpire/refs decisions have to be accepted, and with a bit of luck everything evens out over a season.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 17:12:58 GMT
I haven't seen anyone on the board who says he was pulled back hard enough to cause him to fall. That isn't the point. His shirt was pulled. That is a foul. If it happens in the penalty area it is a penalty. Simples. I really don't understand why some of our fans just can't seem to get their heads around this!.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 20, 2014 17:13:22 GMT
When they stop giving these type of penalties to sides like Liverpool etc. I will except it when they are not given to us also.
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Post by Gods on Oct 20, 2014 17:13:34 GMT
Bony has decent set of thighs on him in all fairness. I don't mean that in any homo-erotic way, only in that he would take some knocking down if he didn't want to go
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 20, 2014 17:17:27 GMT
Where has this morality come from in stokies?
Have we never had a dodgy decision before and of course We've been whiter than white .
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 20, 2014 17:17:40 GMT
The reason so many people, other than Stoke fans, think this was not a penalty is because the so called tug of the shirt was fleeting and shouldn't have stopped the run of Moses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 17:18:47 GMT
The reason so many people, other than Stoke fans, think this was not a penalty is because the so called tug of the shirt was fleeting and shouldn't have stopped the run of Moses. I'm pretty sure I saw a push as well as a tug of the shirt.
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Post by liamo on Oct 20, 2014 17:20:49 GMT
Will other sets of fans turn on their own players and call them cheats? No, they'll rejoice in their soft penalty award
Will skrtel or terry be punished for holding in the box? No they won't, consistency doesn't exist in football
All we can hope for is that we get an equal amount of good calls as bad calls, just like every team
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2014 17:20:49 GMT
What about the cast iron stonebonking penalty we were denied against Newcastle? Good old Victor is what I say, fuck 'em. Spot on(no pun intended), Pugs. It was a penalty all day long. All these pundits are hypocritical bastards;Gerrard has bought penalties for years, dangling his skinny scouse legs out! As you say:Fuck em!
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Post by trickydicky73 on Oct 20, 2014 17:22:13 GMT
The reason so many people, other than Stoke fans, think this was not a penalty is because the so called tug of the shirt was fleeting and shouldn't have stopped the run of Moses. I'm pretty sure I saw a push as well as a tug of the shirt. You did because there was. It was a foul and a penalty.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 20, 2014 17:22:18 GMT
I wonder if the media realise Moses is a Chelsea player and only on loan to us?
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Post by jonnynico on Oct 20, 2014 17:22:19 GMT
Did shawcross have a bulldozer in his pocket to bring their player down, he could have stood up just as much as moses.
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Post by adamsson on Oct 20, 2014 17:24:13 GMT
Ok I'll be honest, Bony kept a tight hold of Shawcross and basically sat down. Ryan was a bit slow and should have let go earlier, but the angles are all wrong he wouldn't have had an leverage to throw Bony down if he had been trying to stay on his feet. Also there is no way on earth that he could have reached the ball. Oh yeah and Moses was fouled.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 20, 2014 17:24:42 GMT
Let's have lots more bastard threads about this. Not.
I reckon this thread has run long enough now, think I'll start another one on exactly the same topic ...
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