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Post by foster on Oct 21, 2014 12:20:41 GMT
Mick, you can see why people are annoyed. I'm one of those who doesn't tend to fall for the accusations of media bias and anti-Stoke but the way this has been handled by the media as a whole has been nothing short of utterly disgraceful. To think of the amount of dives that have been totally ignored for them to scrutinize this dive to the point that the media are judge, jury and executioner. Where was the media reaction to the Sterling one against us last season? What about the Suarez one (only hit the headlines after Suarez admitted on Uruguayan TV that he dived)? It's seriously poor form and it really does make you wonder. make you wonder what though? whether the media accept "big" players doing it far more than other players doing it? we already knew that anyway didn't we? that's not news at all. i'm pissed off about it as well but what else did we expect from a pundit who's a season ticket holder at Swansea? he was the chosen pundit for that night regardless of what happened in the game so he's obviously going to be pissed off when he comments after the game happened. it's not "Points of view" and it's not "Question time" or some kind of debate show where each side has their right to reply, it was just an unfortunate fluke that the incidents happened to occur when a Swansea fan was on and MOTD didn't know he was going to have that outburst, in fact Chappers tried to calm him down on a few occasions. what are they supposed to do exactly, refuse to let any pundit on if they happen to also be a fan of a particular team that is being featured? if we had a Stoke fan on there then we'd be more than happy for him to speak his mind and wouldn't be going around chucking accusations of slander and libel about, we'd think fair play to him for speaking his mind as a fan and giving what is HIS opinion (not the opinion of MOTD or the BBC but HIS personal opinion). MOTD2 actually said the Bony pen was soft (but a pen all the same) and they thought the Moses one was a dive....now, some on here have actually agreed with that and called Moses a cheat but no-one on here is accusing them of slander/libel are they? why? because it's a personal opinion so you can therefore say what you want. Chappers even said of the Monk interview (and butted into Hartson's rant on a few occasions) saying that Monk was deflecting attention and he can't blame the ref for Swansea's missed chances in the first half and it was that that was really frustrating him but no, we ignore all that and simply see "A peron slagged off Stoke, that person happened to be on the BBC when he did it so therefore the BBC as a whole hate us" which is just garbage and (as usual) people simply selecting the facts they want to back up their paranoid agenda that everyone hates us. from the angle that was shown of the Moses incident, there's little doubt that it DID look like a dive (in the sense that Rangel's arm was there but nowhere near enough to make him fall over in that way). It's the view that many of us had during the game and the subsequent photos that have come out from behind the goal that show his shirt being pulled as well that back up the fact that it WAS a pen (and the BBC have actually run a story today and shown that photo..conveniently most on here slagging the BBC off seem to have ignored that though as it doesn't fit in with tier argument) but the TV cameras didn't have that view so can only comment on what they DO see. the reason why MOTD2 focussed so much on it was simply because of Monk and the way he went about his post match interview; that in itself is a news story because he lost it and they were right to therefore focus on those incidents because it was those incidents that provoked that newsworthy reaction. in short, it wasn't the actual perceived dive that forced MOTD2 to focus so much on it but the reaction by Monk (if monk hadn't mentioned it then the Moses pen would have had about 5 seconds of coverage)and, as journalists, they therefore HAD to look at it all because of his comments. they gave as much air time to Hughes and his comments and his presser after the game and what he said and Shearer actually agreed that whether Monk was right or wrong that Hughes was right in that you just can't say those things. i just find it all very sad to see thread after thread being created about Liverpool and other clubs and how they whinge and whine when big decisions go against them or when Ashley Young is brought up for diving (which he was on many occasions a season or 2 back) and then we go fucking mad when the focus is on us as if it's some kind of conspiracy. it's juvenile, it's petty and makes us look seriously small time. we WON the bloody match, if people want to whinge and whine about it all it should be Swansea fans not us!!! the club have put in a complaint about Hartson's comments to the BBC and Monk will no doubt be charged for his outburst. it says a hell of a lot more by us being the bigger man and keeping quiet and just letting things be done through the correct channels (i.e. by the club) than it does for us to carry on like poor ickle victims who are always being got at..that just makes us look like perennial moaning fuckers to everyone else. BOTH were soft penalties and i'd have been happy for neither to be given but if 1 was then the other had to be as well and that's what happened....and we went on to win. if Hartson doesn't like us who cares???? Chappers and Shearer did not at any point label us as cheats in any way, they simply thought the REF got it wrong, not us, not Moses but the REF and that (the ref making mistakes) happens and is commented on every bloody week in some game or other and MOTD focus just as much on those incidents as well. the heightened focus was created by Monk NOT the BBC,they simply reported on it as they were bound to, it's their job. they focused quite a bit on the diame incident where the ref got it wrong as well but everyone on here seems to conveniently forget that bit. if Wenger had said the kind of things that Monk did then that would have had as much focus as well...as far as this board is concerned the BBC spent the whole hour just slagging off Stoke and that just isn't even close to being true at all. we cannot spend so much time slagging off other sides for being "Victims" and because their players go down easily and then go this crazy when one of ours does (i don't think he did dive because there was contact but there's no doubt whatsoever that he made the most of it to ensure the ref picked up on it.......which we give other players shit for whenever they do). quite simply, we can't have it both ways as and when we please. it's pathetic....we BLOODY WON!!!! let people whinge if they want, it'd be forgotten about by everybody by tomorrow if we didn't keep banging on and on about it FFS.NONE of the media have slagged us off for cheating they have simply reported on what Monk said...it's him and his comments that have caused the problem, the media have simply reported on that as they are supposed to do so. if (hypothetically) they don't do their actual jobs and report on it all then fine but then if the same happened to us we'd go fucking mad if Hughes had a similar rant and the media ignored that as well, we'd have people on here saying "Hughes made a point and the media don't care because it's little old Stoke". People need to realise what is blindingly obvious and factually true....the media and the BBC specifically have NOT said we (or moses) are cheats!!!!! they just haven't.....they have reported on what Monk has said and Hartson's reaction because they are NEWS!!!!! a few outlets have said the Moses pen wasn't a pen but they have also said the Diame goal shouldn't have stood, that Lampard's was "theatrical" etc.....in other words, they haven't said anything worse about us than they have about other incidents that happened this week...it is Monk and Hartson alone that are culpable for what THEY have said (and those matters are being dealt with in the correct fashion), everything else is simply reporting on what those 2 people did..that's kinda what journalists are there for! Is this one of those 'oh, the irony' moments
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 21, 2014 12:33:33 GMT
Let me get this right, the BBC are biased, Hartson is biased, Shearer is biased, Swansea fans are biased, but Stoke fans aren't, that sounds reasonable to me. Yeah and....what of it..?
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Post by moult50 on Oct 21, 2014 12:51:10 GMT
Done - keeop it going.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 21, 2014 13:01:08 GMT
I listened to Stan Collymore and Saggars on their 'Fiest Night' show on Talksport last night. It was obvious that they would vampire on the blood of this 'controversy', that's how they roll. It was a really good show, Stanley was advocating a 'Collymore Charter' to be signed by all the Managers in order to stamp out cheating. He didn't particularly concentrate on us, he called out former colleagues and present managers {particularly Wenger, Mourinho and Rogers} and openly doubted the truthfulness of Monk's rant. Stan said he'd often been told to dive/go to ground, but said he'd always refused. He said he'd always preferred to have a crack at goal. He was previously challenged by Gary Neville about this, so Stan said he'd resign from Talksport if Gary could find proof that Stan had ever dived. He couldn't. Stan reckons Neville has no right to comment on the diving issue because he's been complicit with Ronaldo's cheating at Man U. It was far from an anti-Stoke show.
Symptomatic of society, people love to be outraged, but I reckon some folk are confused about what they are outraged about: Bony, Monk, Oliver, Hartson? Football? the Beeb? and indeed confused about what will make it better for them. We do seem to be becoming a sensitive bunch.
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 21, 2014 13:31:44 GMT
I listened to Stan Collymore and Saggars on their 'Fiest Night' show on Talksport last night. It was obvious that they would vampire on the blood of this 'controversy', that's how they roll. It was a really good show, Stanley was advocating a 'Collymore Charter' to be signed by all the Managers in order to stamp out cheating. He didn't particularly concentrate on us, he called out former colleagues and present managers {particularly Wenger, Mourinho and Rogers} and openly doubted the truthfulness of Monk's rant. Stan said he'd often been told to dive/go to ground, but said he'd always refused. He said he'd always preferred to have a crack at goal. He was previously challenged by Gary Neville about this, so Stan said he'd resign from Talksport if Gary could find proof that Stan had ever dived. He couldn't. Stan reckons Neville has no right to comment on the diving issue because he's been complicit with Ronaldo's cheating at Man U. It was far from an anti-Stoke show. Symptomatic of society, people love to be outraged, but I reckon some folk are confused about what they are outraged about: Bony, Monk, Oliver, Hartson? Football? the Beeb? and indeed confused about what will make it better for them. We do seem to be becoming a sensitive bunch. Let's get this straight, I gave Oliver and Bony a ton of serious verbal shit on Sunday at the game because that's what I do. I can't help it, even if the opposition behaved like saints I would still have a go, that's the way I feel I can make a difference, so I do it. When we win I leave the ground and I leave it all behind me, bask in the warm glow of 3 points and go back to my normal placid manner But to hear Hartson banging off with his one good brain cell was enough for me. Hartson the footballer who has never committed a foul in his life, what a bloody joke. What did I do? I swore and kicked the set, ranted for a bit but that was all. I haven't written into the Beeb. Why not? When I have done before I felt that I was getting the stock BBC reply politely explaining that they don't agree with my view. Once Sunday night was over that was it for me, I have put it all behind me as Mick says and have moved on to the next game. I am happy that Sir Peter is giving Hartson serious stick though, quite right too, as he is the mega uber big business owner and could probably have Hartson sacked if he so wished, certainly have him tortured a bit. Was also happy that Ryan stuck up for himself too, about time. I wouldn't call that being overly sensitive, or 'precious'. We all care about SCFC so we are bound to be unreasonably biased and supportive of our club, I would be more concerned if there was little or no response to Hartson's rant.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Oct 21, 2014 14:35:25 GMT
I listened to Stan Collymore and Saggars on their 'Fiest Night' show on Talksport last night. It was obvious that they would vampire on the blood of this 'controversy', that's how they roll. It was a really good show, Stanley was advocating a 'Collymore Charter' to be signed by all the Managers in order to stamp out cheating. He didn't particularly concentrate on us, he called out former colleagues and present managers {particularly Wenger, Mourinho and Rogers} and openly doubted the truthfulness of Monk's rant. Stan said he'd often been told to dive/go to ground, but said he'd always refused. He said he'd always preferred to have a crack at goal. He was previously challenged by Gary Neville about this, so Stan said he'd resign from Talksport if Gary could find proof that Stan had ever dived. He couldn't. Stan reckons Neville has no right to comment on the diving issue because he's been complicit with Ronaldo's cheating at Man U. It was far from an anti-Stoke show. Symptomatic of society, people love to be outraged, but I reckon some folk are confused about what they are outraged about: Bony, Monk, Oliver, Hartson? Football? the Beeb? and indeed confused about what will make it better for them. We do seem to be becoming a sensitive bunch. Let's get this straight, I gave Oliver and Bony a ton of serious verbal shit on Sunday at the game because that's what I do. I can't help it, even if the opposition behaved like saints I would still have a go, that's the way I feel I can make a difference, so I do it. When we win I leave the ground and I leave it all behind me, bask in the warm glow of 3 points and go back to my normal placid manner But to hear Hartson banging off with his one good brain cell was enough for me. Hartson the footballer who has never committed a foul in his life, what a bloody joke. What did I do? I swore and kicked the set, ranted for a bit but that was all. I haven't written into the Beeb. Why not? When I have done before I felt that I was getting the stock BBC reply politely explaining that they don't agree with my view. Once Sunday night was over that was it for me, I have put it all behind me as Mick says and have moved on to the next game. I am happy that Sir Peter is giving Hartson serious stick though, quite right too, as he is the mega uber big business owner and could probably have Hartson sacked if he so wished, certainly have him tortured a bit. Was also happy that Ryan stuck up for himself too, about time. I wouldn't call that being overly sensitive, or 'precious'. We all care about SCFC so we are bound to be unreasonably biased and supportive of our club, I would be more concerned if there was little or no response to Hartson's rant. Fair do's, for me the victory on sunday was made all the sweeter by the fact that it royally fucked Monk {and Hartson} off. It never entered my head that I should be writing letters or complaining to anyone about it. {Until I came on here.}
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Post by passtheoatcakes on Oct 21, 2014 15:38:45 GMT
Let's get this straight, I gave Oliver and Bony a ton of serious verbal shit on Sunday at the game because that's what I do. I can't help it, even if the opposition behaved like saints I would still have a go, that's the way I feel I can make a difference, so I do it. When we win I leave the ground and I leave it all behind me, bask in the warm glow of 3 points and go back to my normal placid manner But to hear Hartson banging off with his one good brain cell was enough for me. Hartson the footballer who has never committed a foul in his life, what a bloody joke. What did I do? I swore and kicked the set, ranted for a bit but that was all. I haven't written into the Beeb. Why not? When I have done before I felt that I was getting the stock BBC reply politely explaining that they don't agree with my view. Once Sunday night was over that was it for me, I have put it all behind me as Mick says and have moved on to the next game. I am happy that Sir Peter is giving Hartson serious stick though, quite right too, as he is the mega uber big business owner and could probably have Hartson sacked if he so wished, certainly have him tortured a bit. Was also happy that Ryan stuck up for himself too, about time. I wouldn't call that being overly sensitive, or 'precious'. We all care about SCFC so we are bound to be unreasonably biased and supportive of our club, I would be more concerned if there was little or no response to Hartson's rant. Fair do's, for me the victory on sunday was made all the sweeter by the fact that it royally fucked Monk {and Hartson} off. It never entered my head that I should be writing letters or complaining to anyone about it. {Until I came on here.} Good point! Winning is so much more pleasurable when the opposition have a tantrum mate I agree, wished we could do this to every team that visits the Brit . Also nothing better than walking away from the Brit surrounded by happy Stokies debating how high up the table we are going to be after a win, as opposed to looking over our shoulder after being goosed by the likes of Leicester.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 21, 2014 16:06:39 GMT
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Post by dg19531 on Oct 24, 2014 12:43:03 GMT
BBC reply: Thank you for getting in touch with us about Match of the Day 2. We’re sorry that you’re unhappy with the comments John Hartson made about Victor Moses. We appreciate that football is subjective and that fans will hold a hugely diverse range of opinions. In this case, John was simply expressing his own strong and forthright views on a subject he feels very passionate about, it really wasn’t his intention to offend. The production team responsible for this edition of Match of the Day 2 have been made aware of the issues that have been raised. Thanks again for contacting us. Kind Regards BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
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Post by handfordcoopers on Oct 24, 2014 12:54:43 GMT
BBC reply: Thank you for getting in touch with us about Match of the Day 2. We’re sorry that you’re unhappy with the comments John Hartson made about Victor Moses. We appreciate that football is subjective and that fans will hold a hugely diverse range of opinions. In this case, John was simply expressing his own strong and forthright views on a subject he feels very passionate about, it really wasn’t his intention to offend. The production team responsible for this edition of Match of the Day 2 have been made aware of the issues that have been raised. Thanks again for contacting us. Kind Regards BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaints
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 12:57:43 GMT
I've received the same ...
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Post by metalhead on Oct 24, 2014 12:58:16 GMT
BBC reply: Thank you for getting in touch with us about Match of the Day 2. We’re sorry that you’re unhappy with the comments John Hartson made about Victor Moses. We appreciate that football is subjective and that fans will hold a hugely diverse range of opinions. In this case, John was simply expressing his own strong and forthright views on a subject he feels very passionate about, it really wasn’t his intention to offend. The production team responsible for this edition of Match of the Day 2 have been made aware of the issues that have been raised. Thanks again for contacting us. Kind Regards BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaintsHello Stoke Fan, Thank you for contacting us. Now fuck off, we have better things to do like protecting paedophiles. Jimmy (he'll fucking fix you n'all)
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Post by handfordcoopers on Oct 24, 2014 12:58:35 GMT
BBC reply: Thank you for getting in touch with us about Match of the Day 2. We’re sorry that you’re unhappy with the comments John Hartson made about Victor Moses. We appreciate that football is subjective and that fans will hold a hugely diverse range of opinions. In this case, John was simply expressing his own strong and forthright views on a subject he feels very passionate about, it really wasn’t his intention to offend. The production team responsible for this edition of Match of the Day 2 have been made aware of the issues that have been raised. Thanks again for contacting us. Kind Regards BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaintsJust got the same reply to my complaint word for word,well at least they know we are not happy !!
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Post by metalhead on Oct 24, 2014 13:00:32 GMT
Incredible, so Ryan was just 15 when he invented shirt pulling. Has any other 15 year old made such a huge impact in football?
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 24, 2014 13:04:26 GMT
Incredible, so Ryan was just 15 when he invented shirt pulling. Has any other 15 year old made such a huge impact in football? I knew Ryan was good but WOW!......we are definitely lucky to have such an innovator in the team.....Roy are you listening??!!
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Oct 24, 2014 14:17:04 GMT
BBC reply: Thank you for getting in touch with us about Match of the Day 2. We’re sorry that you’re unhappy with the comments John Hartson made about Victor Moses. We appreciate that football is subjective and that fans will hold a hugely diverse range of opinions. In this case, John was simply expressing his own strong and forthright views on a subject he feels very passionate about, it really wasn’t his intention to offend. The production team responsible for this edition of Match of the Day 2 have been made aware of the issues that have been raised. Thanks again for contacting us. Kind Regards BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaintsIt rather misses the point, doesn't it ? The complaint is surely not that Hartson caused offence, but that he was unprofessional and was not an impartial pundit
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2014 14:32:08 GMT
Are we saying that John Hartson should not have been invited on MOTD because Swansea were playing?
Having invited him are we then saying his remarks should have been censored?
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 24, 2014 14:43:39 GMT
BBC reply: Thank you for getting in touch with us about Match of the Day 2. We’re sorry that you’re unhappy with the comments John Hartson made about Victor Moses. We appreciate that football is subjective and that fans will hold a hugely diverse range of opinions. In this case, John was simply expressing his own strong and forthright views on a subject he feels very passionate about, it really wasn’t his intention to offend. The production team responsible for this edition of Match of the Day 2 have been made aware of the issues that have been raised. Thanks again for contacting us. Kind Regards BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaintsSame reply to me, although my complaint was based on fact, not subjective opinion, namely that Moses shirt was pulled when in the penalty area and therefore the referee was entitled to give a penalty.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2014 14:52:22 GMT
Are we saying that John Hartson should not have been invited on MOTD because Swansea were playing? Having invited him are we then saying his remarks should have been censored? The impartial BBC employed a Swansea fan to go over a Swansea game.....
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 24, 2014 14:58:01 GMT
We've had two ex Liverpool players on MOTD for years bayern and no one seemed to concerned about that.
I don't want to see players slandered or insulted but I'm all for a bit of passion and even if Hartson went a bit to far it still made for an interesting discussion.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 24, 2014 15:00:50 GMT
We've had two ex Liverpool players on MOTD for years bayern and no one seemed to concerned about that. I don't want to see players slandered or insulted but I'm all for a bit of passion and even if Hartson went a bit to far it still made for an interesting discussion. Not exactly a discussion.............more like a tirade..........still apologists will be apologists
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:03:32 GMT
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Post by onionman on Oct 24, 2014 15:05:48 GMT
"The matter is now closed as far as the Club, Moses, Hartson and the BBC are concerned." Deliberately not mentioning Monk in that sentence?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:07:08 GMT
"The matter is now closed as far as the Club, Moses, Hartson and the BBC are concerned." Deliberately not mentioning Monk in that sentence? why would Monk be mentioned? the complaint from the club was to the BBC about Hartson, it had nothing to do with Monk as that's a matter for the FA to deal with, not the BBC.
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Post by richardparker on Oct 24, 2014 15:07:33 GMT
Done. Prize plum pundit exposed, (with kick to the head of fellow professional whilst on the floor mentioned)! Production team of MOTD criticized for allowing him the platform. Look forward to hearing you on Radio Swanseaside soon, Mr Hartson.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 24, 2014 15:10:30 GMT
Sorted. Southampton tomorrow guys...
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Post by richardparker on Oct 24, 2014 15:11:00 GMT
fuck it!!! if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on. when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours....... we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives. jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!! personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum. We are all different. You have just spent longer on this post than i did making my complaint.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:12:44 GMT
fuck it!!! if you genuinely are naive enough to think it will make a difference then crack on, even make a bloody Facebook page if you want but personally i'm of the opinion that we got 3 points so we move on. when other teams have players singled out we ridicule them for being precious and for being whiny bastards but when it's one of ours....... we got 3 points, no-one has been or will be banned, we're back in the top ten...we move on and get on with the rest of the season instead of making ourselves look like the Bindipping wankers who we constantly berate because they're "Always the victims". grow up, realise it's a game of footy, no-one's been killed or hurt, it won't make ANY difference to the rest of the season and get on with your lives. jesus...the amount of shit that goes on in the world and the amount of times that the BBC take a ridiculously biased, one-sided stance to feed the public with certain info so we can only take the particular opinion they want to feed us and people get this wound up by fucking Hartson????? some people have their priorities in life seriously fucking out of whack on here!!!!! personally i'd rather just look forward to using our momentum in the upcoming tough game against an in form Southampton than dwell on this shit ad infinitum. We are all different. You have just spent longer on this post than i did making my complaint. excuse me??????? that's practically just a tweet for me compared to the usual length of my posts
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Post by Amo on Oct 24, 2014 15:14:25 GMT
Funnily enough the reply I've received is exactly the same, word for fcukin' word!
I didn't expect anything else to be fair but at least it's kept some loony left PC nobody employed for afew hours using up the licence fee funding!
What a set of wankers but heah ho onwards and upwards.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 15:20:47 GMT
Funnily enough the reply I've received is exactly the same, word for fcukin' word! I didn't expect anything else to be fair but at least it's kept some loony left PC nobody employed for afew hours using up the licence fee funding!What a set of wankers but heah ho onwards and upwards. yep, his official title is the "Dealing with complete wastes of time from precious bastards who blame the BBC for someone else's personal opinion Manager" apparently he only tends to be asked to come in whenever a Stoke game is played for some reason
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