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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 20, 2014 20:48:31 GMT
So you would have no problem then if Crouch had dived to draw the shirt pull to the ref's attention?
We didn't get a penalty the first time precisely because Crouch stayed on his feet, what do you expect Moses to do a little bit later on then when he has his shirt pulled, stay on his feet as well?
Ergo two shirt pulls on two different Stoke players would have resulted in ZERO PENALTIES TO STOKE.
If the referees can't spot the infringements, then it's up to the players to make sure they know about it, isn't it?
No it isn't. A player should only ever go down if the contact or foul is strong enough to send him to the floor. Once a player chooses to go down he is cheating,end of. I know it goes on throughout football and you can say I'm being naive.and I would get that,but it is the truth. But the REASON he's going down is because he doesn't have any faith in the official to spot the infringement. If he was confident that the ref would give the penalty if he stayed on his feet then he wouldn't NEED to go down. Crouch blatantly had his shirt pulled, it SHOULD have been penalty but the daft fooker stayed on his feet, if he'd have gone down to highlight the infringement, he would have been much more likely to have been awarded a pen - that isn't cheating, cheating is going down when there hasn't been any infringement at all and you're attempting to con the officials into thinking that there has been one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 21:05:12 GMT
No it isn't. A player should only ever go down if the contact or foul is strong enough to send him to the floor. Once a player chooses to go down he is cheating,end of. I know it goes on throughout football and you can say I'm being naive.and I would get that,but it is the truth. But the REASON he's going down is because he doesn't have any faith in the official to spot the infringement. If he was confident that the ref would give the penalty if he stayed on his feet then he wouldn't NEED to go down. Crouch blatantly had his shirt pulled, it SHOULD have been penalty but the daft fooker stayed on his feet, if he'd have gone down to highlight the infringement, he would have been much more likely to have been awarded a pen - that isn't cheating, cheating is going down when there hasn't been any infringement at all and you're attempting to con the officials into thinking that there has been one. Regardless of what you think the referee is going to give,choosing to go down is cheating. To the letter of the law,if the ref saw the shirt pull or grab then it's a penalty. My guess is he didn't see the shirt pull and gave it due to Moses chucking himself to the floor when he quite easily could have stayed on his feet,hence he conned the ref. In the cold light of day I couldn't really give a flying fuck because we got the three points but I'm just a bit surprised at the amount of people defending Moses' actions when we have done nothing but slate other teams players for diving since day one in this league. We have always been able to take the moral high ground on this issue which I quite like,even if every other team is doing it and we have been the victims of it,but no Stoke fan can ever moan again when one of our opponents dives to win a penalty against us.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 20, 2014 21:08:18 GMT
But the REASON he's going down is because he doesn't have any faith in the official to spot the infringement. If he was confident that the ref would give the penalty if he stayed on his feet then he wouldn't NEED to go down. Crouch blatantly had his shirt pulled, it SHOULD have been penalty but the daft fooker stayed on his feet, if he'd have gone down to highlight the infringement, he would have been much more likely to have been awarded a pen - that isn't cheating, cheating is going down when there hasn't been any infringement at all and you're attempting to con the officials into thinking that there has been one. Regardless of what you think the referee is going to give,choosing to go down is cheating. To the letter of the law,if the ref saw the shirt pull or grab then it's a penalty. My guess is he didn't see the shirt pull and gave it due to Moses chucking himself to the floor when he quite easily could have stayed on his feet,hence he conned the ref. In the cold light of day I couldn't really give a flying fuck because we got the three points but I'm just a bit surprised at the amount of people defending Moses' actions when we have done nothing but slate other teams players for diving since day one in this league. We have always been able to take the moral high ground on this issue which I quite like,even if every other team is doing it and we have been the victims of it,but no Stoke fan can ever moan again when one of our opponents dives to win a penalty against us. We'll agree to disagree then chap.
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 20, 2014 21:24:49 GMT
FFS stop this embarrassing witch hunt of a Stoke City player who was clearly fouled in the penalty area, as shown in the photograph which has been posted many times since last night. Have you watched it in real time? He pulled his shirt for a split second (the freezeframe) and he didn't even flinch until he threw himself to the ground. I don't care a shit who he plays for a dive is a dive. As for the witch hunt comment I happen to really like Moses and think he is a great signing so no agenda here. A shirt pull is a foul and is cheating,as was the shirt pull that stopped crouch from heading the ball in the first half.Blatant penalty not spotted by officials.Justice was done in the end thankfully.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 21:28:48 GMT
Regardless of what you think the referee is going to give,choosing to go down is cheating. To the letter of the law,if the ref saw the shirt pull or grab then it's a penalty. My guess is he didn't see the shirt pull and gave it due to Moses chucking himself to the floor when he quite easily could have stayed on his feet,hence he conned the ref. In the cold light of day I couldn't really give a flying fuck because we got the three points but I'm just a bit surprised at the amount of people defending Moses' actions when we have done nothing but slate other teams players for diving since day one in this league. We have always been able to take the moral high ground on this issue which I quite like,even if every other team is doing it and we have been the victims of it,but no Stoke fan can ever moan again when one of our opponents dives to win a penalty against us. We'll agree to disagree then chap. Fair enough. I'm off upstairs now,I'm going to run into the bedroom,get my lady to grab my pyjamas and dive into bed for the night
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Post by dieguito88 on Oct 20, 2014 21:37:14 GMT
Nobody has highlighted another challenge i think was really bad.
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Post by coates on Oct 20, 2014 22:00:11 GMT
We'll agree to disagree then chap. Fair enough. I'm off upstairs now,I'm going to run into the bedroom,get my lady to grab my pyjamas and dive into bed for the night Nothing like a media frenzy though, where have we seen that before....
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 20, 2014 22:02:36 GMT
Nobody has highlighted another challenge i think was really bad. It's a good booking.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 20, 2014 22:13:05 GMT
But the REASON he's going down is because he doesn't have any faith in the official to spot the infringement. If he was confident that the ref would give the penalty if he stayed on his feet then he wouldn't NEED to go down. Crouch blatantly had his shirt pulled, it SHOULD have been penalty but the daft fooker stayed on his feet, if he'd have gone down to highlight the infringement, he would have been much more likely to have been awarded a pen - that isn't cheating, cheating is going down when there hasn't been any infringement at all and you're attempting to con the officials into thinking that there has been one. Regardless of what you think the referee is going to give,choosing to go down is cheating. To the letter of the law,if the ref saw the shirt pull or grab then it's a penalty. My guess is he didn't see the shirt pull and gave it due to Moses chucking himself to the floor when he quite easily could have stayed on his feet,hence he conned the ref. In the cold light of day I couldn't really give a flying fuck because we got the three points but I'm just a bit surprised at the amount of people defending Moses' actions when we have done nothing but slate other teams players for diving since day one in this league. We have always been able to take the moral high ground on this issue which I quite like,even if every other team is doing it and we have been the victims of it,but no Stoke fan can ever moan again when one of our opponents dives to win a penalty against us. The reality is though mate we have for years been playing fair and doing the right thing but where has it got us? Nowhere yet week after week we get done by teams and players cheating and conning refs to get an advantage and it works! I've said for a while now it's gone that far now that if you can't beat em join em that's the only we'll get our fair share of these decisions!
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Oct 21, 2014 0:01:32 GMT
They shouldn't dive, end of. What chance do you think of Moses getting his next pen claim or the next 10? If it is debatable the ref will give him fuck all now. He should have stayed on his feet. To be honest he probably could have got a shot away anyway if he had stayed on his feet. Diving is shit and it makes the player look a twat and the club gets more grief. I hate diving and have no reason to think differently just because it is one of our own. I hate diving too but You know what I hate reading your sanctimonious claptrap even more so why don't you just take a dive mate and forget to surface! Hahaha.
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Post by dieguito88 on Oct 21, 2014 0:30:07 GMT
Nobody has highlighted another challenge i think was really bad. It's a good booking. For me could be a red card too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 21, 2014 10:42:34 GMT
For me could be a red card too. I don't think it's even close!
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Post by dieguito88 on Oct 21, 2014 11:46:35 GMT
For me could be a red card too. I don't think it's even close! If N'Zonzi not do the pass and control the ball, then is clearly a red card. Could broke N'Zonzi ankle if he is not doing the pass.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 13:28:19 GMT
I was in Aldi this morning and as I leaned over the bacon counter for three ounces of tongue this large Polish bruiser grabbed my shirt in a desperate attempt to deprive me of the last three slices , but luckily I managed to stay on my feet .....
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 21, 2014 14:02:17 GMT
I was in Aldi this morning and as I leaned over the bacon counter for three ounces of tongue this large Polish bruiser grabbed my shirt in a desperate attempt to deprive me of the last three slices , but luckily I managed to stay on my feet ..... Even when you shuddered to climax?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2014 14:10:42 GMT
I don't think it's even close! If N'Zonzi not do the pass and control the ball, then is clearly a red card. Could broke N'Zonzi ankle if he is not doing the pass. latecomer for ridiculous post of the year award here chaps! even if he controls the ball and doesn't pass it's still not even close to being a red! have you ever watched football before?????
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 21, 2014 14:39:22 GMT
I was in Aldi this morning and as I leaned over the bacon counter for three ounces of tongue this large Polish bruiser grabbed my shirt in a desperate attempt to deprive me of the last three slices , but luckily I managed to stay on my feet ..... Were you running flat out with a ball at your feet?
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Post by dieguito88 on Oct 21, 2014 18:24:47 GMT
If N'Zonzi not do the pass and control the ball, then is clearly a red card. Could broke N'Zonzi ankle if he is not doing the pass. latecomer for ridiculous post of the year award here chaps! even if he controls the ball and doesn't pass it's still not even close to being a red! have you ever watched football before????? Yes, i played in an academy professional football till 18 (Treviso - at that age was in First Italian Division), then i played dilectantist, and i broke my right knee LCA in an challenge on the pitch, then i recover bad after the surgery and i stop play football. For me that tackle is dangerous, with Bony coming from behind at good speed on the ankle of N'Zonzi, is dangerous. Probably u never played football, and most, u never did or receive a late challenge on your knee or ankle. For English referee standards, is a yellow card that's sure, but i still think that is a dangerous tackle. Btw, i will like to know what the "Pundit" u have there in England, will say about that "laughable dive" that Doumbia did for CSKA Penalty against Manchester City ahahah
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