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Post by fca47 on Oct 20, 2014 9:28:19 GMT
Some people seem to be ignoring the picture evidence that Moses had his shirt pulled. Come on lads. If this was against us we would want a hanging. I think when you've seen the picture, you wouldn't be overjoyed we've conceded but I think you would accept it was a foul and therefore a penalty. Ryan's was a foul and was therefore a penalty, though not consistently applied.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 20, 2014 11:14:45 GMT
He cheated! If it was against us this board would be in meltdown. I hope hughes punishes him because I don't want that shit at our club. Before we go any further - are you able to precisely define what you mean by "that shit"? I think he's talking about Moses
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 20, 2014 11:30:37 GMT
Some people seem to be ignoring the picture evidence that Moses had his shirt pulled. Come on lads. If this was against us we would want a hanging. Hangings to good for Hartson & I didn't even see his rant, don't need to. "Fetch me a spade, a jar of honey & a nest of hornets!"
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Post by slicko on Oct 20, 2014 11:43:25 GMT
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Post by jrstokie on Oct 20, 2014 12:05:37 GMT
He cheated! If it was against us this board would be in meltdown. I hope hughes punishes him because I don't want that shit at our club. 100% correct. It was a blatant dive. People need to take a step back & think about what our reaction would be like if that was at the other end
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 20, 2014 12:07:45 GMT
Before we go any further - are you able to precisely define what you mean by "that shit"? Diving???????? He had his shirt pulled in the box whilst running at speed..... he went down easily, but there was a definite pull. That was a penalty for me. Match of the Day is a disgrace simple as that!!
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Post by eddyclamp on Oct 20, 2014 12:09:04 GMT
Can`t see the issue with hartson , he just called it what it was.
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Post by liamo on Oct 20, 2014 12:11:31 GMT
He cheated! If it was against us this board would be in meltdown. I hope hughes punishes him because I don't want that shit at our club. 100% correct. It was a blatant dive. People need to take a step back & think about what our reaction would be like if that was at the other end It would be exactly the same as how Swans fans reacted, it was a soft penalty, now switch it around again, would Swans fans be moaning if Bony had gone down easily in the box and got a penalty? No they wouldn't How many times does this board go nuts over bad reffing? We're owed a few decisions If you think that players won't go down easily to win a penalty against us then you're dreaming
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 12:15:49 GMT
He had his shirt pulled in the box whilst running at speed..... he went down easily, but there was a definite pull. That was a penalty for me. Match of the Day is a disgrace simple as that!! This ^ he had his shirt pulled and went down = peno, Taylor pulled Crouch's shirt to stop him jumping = peno.
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Post by jrstokie on Oct 20, 2014 12:17:19 GMT
100% correct. It was a blatant dive. People need to take a step back & think about what our reaction would be like if that was at the other end It would be exactly the same as how Swans fans reacted, it was a soft penalty, now switch it around again, would Swans fans be moaning if Bony had gone down easily in the box and got a penalty? No they wouldn't How many times does this board go nuts over bad reffing? We're owed a few decisions If you think that players won't go down easily to win a penalty against us then you're dreaming Depends on your general stance on football then. I fucking hate diving whether it's a Stoke, Swansea or England player. It's the cancer of the game......& Moses dived. Sorry
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Post by liamo on Oct 20, 2014 12:28:50 GMT
It would be exactly the same as how Swans fans reacted, it was a soft penalty, now switch it around again, would Swans fans be moaning if Bony had gone down easily in the box and got a penalty? No they wouldn't How many times does this board go nuts over bad reffing? We're owed a few decisions If you think that players won't go down easily to win a penalty against us then you're dreaming Depends on your general stance on football then. I fucking hate diving whether it's a Stoke, Swansea or England player. It's the cancer of the game......& Moses dived. Sorry I don't agree with diving and in fairness he did make a bit of a meal of it, however, he was pushed and had his shirt pulled, why shouldn't he go down? Ultimately it's the refs decision whether to give a penalty and he did, probably because he thought their penalty wasn't justified either
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 12:34:59 GMT
Can`t see the issue with hartson , he just called it what it was. I think the issue is that every week there are countless incidents in every match where players dive or go down too easily. For years now, we've considered ourselves to be probably the most honest of clubs, yet when one of our players does something that the media have lately been doing their best to turn a blind-eye to, all hell breaks lose. How many times have we heard Shearer say that if there's contact, the player has every right to go down. Lampard does it every so often and no one even mentions it. Even Suarez had turned the situation round to the media describing his antics as clever play. But suddenly, a Stoke player's done it, and MotD have done their best to draw everyone's attention to us having a cheat in our midst. It's exactly the same with Shawcross and his holding in the box. Draw people's attention to it if you want, but to ignore that Chelsea and Liverpool in particular and every other club to a degree do exactly the same is just biased reporting. There's something about our club that MotD and other media outlets don't like. I used to think it was the previous manager and his style of play, but clearly I was wrong about that. Time for the club to do something about it I reckon.
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Post by jrstokie on Oct 20, 2014 12:40:27 GMT
Depends on your general stance on football then. I fucking hate diving whether it's a Stoke, Swansea or England player. It's the cancer of the game......& Moses dived. Sorry I don't agree with diving and in fairness he did make a bit of a meal of it, however, he was pushed and had his shirt pulled, why shouldn't he go down? Ultimately it's the refs decision whether to give a penalty and he did, probably because he thought their penalty wasn't justified either Personally, I think a player should only go down genuinely. If Rangel smashed Moses yesterday then fair play, peno. My own instinct if I was Moses though would have been to shrug off Rangel & get a shot off. I'm obviously idealistic in my belief about diving but I just hate it. Fair play, that's your opinion & a lot of other Stoke fans share it....but the next time we concede a soft penalty because of a meagre little tug of a shirt & the player goes down easily then no one on this board can complain one little bit
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 20, 2014 12:43:29 GMT
I don't agree with diving and in fairness he did make a bit of a meal of it, however, he was pushed and had his shirt pulled, why shouldn't he go down? Ultimately it's the refs decision whether to give a penalty and he did, probably because he thought their penalty wasn't justified either Personally, I think a player should only go down genuinely. If Rangel smashed Moses yesterday then fair play, peno. My own instinct if I was Moses though would have been to shrug off Rangel & get a shot off. I'm obviously idealistic in my belief about diving but I just hate it. Fair play, that's your opinion & a lot of other Stoke fans share it....but the next time we concede a soft penalty because of a meagre little tug of a shirt & the player goes down easily then no one on this board can complain one little bit You mean like the one we conceded yesterday?
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Post by jrstokie on Oct 20, 2014 12:45:40 GMT
....& seeing as so many fellow Stokies are justifying Moses' dive because of a tiny shirt pull then they should surely have absolutely no complaints with the one up the other end, when in comparison Shawcross physically assaulted the Swansea lad
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 20, 2014 12:46:57 GMT
No.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 20, 2014 12:56:11 GMT
I don't agree with diving and in fairness he did make a bit of a meal of it, however, he was pushed and had his shirt pulled, why shouldn't he go down? Ultimately it's the refs decision whether to give a penalty and he did, probably because he thought their penalty wasn't justified either Personally, I think a player should only go down genuinely. If Rangel smashed Moses yesterday then fair play, peno. My own instinct if I was Moses though would have been to shrug off Rangel & get a shot off. I'm obviously idealistic in my belief about diving but I just hate it. Fair play, that's your opinion & a lot of other Stoke fans share it....but the next time we concede a soft penalty because of a meagre little tug of a shirt & the player goes down easily then no one on this board can complain one little bit That's a fair assessment................but there was clearly a pull and a penalty was a fair decision especially when mitigated by the the Shaw.x decision and its relative merits, I would say.
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 20, 2014 12:56:54 GMT
....& seeing as so many fellow Stokies are justifying Moses' dive because of a tiny shirt pull then they should surely have absolutely no complaints with the one up the other end, when in comparison Shawcross physically assaulted the Swansea lad You're right in the sense that either or neither are penalties, if the one against Shawcross is given I'd expect at least one in every premiership game next saturday. Moses was cleaned out in the penalty area against Newcastle and didn't get the penalty, against Swansea he did get the penalty over the course of a season these things even out and in the course of the game against Swansea it evened out, Taylor grabbed Crouch's shirt to stop him jumping to score obviously Taylor isn't as strong as Shawcross in that he can somehow throw a striker to the ground whilst just holding onto him....
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 20, 2014 12:59:20 GMT
Or yes ...............especially given MotD's apparent influence on Premier league ref's, that is. Is Hartson from Swansea or something?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 20, 2014 13:02:33 GMT
Personally, I think a player should only go down genuinely. If Rangel smashed Moses yesterday then fair play, peno. My own instinct if I was Moses though would have been to shrug off Rangel & get a shot off. I'm obviously idealistic in my belief about diving but I just hate it. Fair play, that's your opinion & a lot of other Stoke fans share it....but the next time we concede a soft penalty because of a meagre little tug of a shirt & the player goes down easily then no one on this board can complain one little bit You mean like the one we conceded yesterday? Or the one we conceded to Liverpool when Sterling went down. Oh how I remember the national press leaping to condemn him.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 20, 2014 13:10:42 GMT
You mean like the one we conceded yesterday? Or the one we conceded to Liverpool when Sterling went down. Oh how I remember the national press leaping to condemn him. To be fair, mate, I don't particularly like the thought of our players joining in on the 'if you can't beat them then you might as well join them' but it's gone way over the top. There was a tug and maybe a shove but he made the absolute most of it. It's one of those 'seen them given' types which doesn't make it right but I've seen far more contentious decisions than that.
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Post by foster on Oct 20, 2014 13:17:18 GMT
Hart's Welsh so what do you expect.
This morning he received a new sheep through the post, courtesy of Swansea FC.
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Post by foster on Oct 20, 2014 13:19:08 GMT
Personally, I think a player should only go down genuinely. If Rangel smashed Moses yesterday then fair play, peno. My own instinct if I was Moses though would have been to shrug off Rangel & get a shot off. I'm obviously idealistic in my belief about diving but I just hate it. Fair play, that's your opinion & a lot of other Stoke fans share it....but the next time we concede a soft penalty because of a meagre little tug of a shirt & the player goes down easily then no one on this board can complain one little bit That's a fair assessment................but there was clearly a pull and a penalty was a fair decision especially when mitigated by the the Shaw.x decision and its relative merits, I would say. That's how I see it. Neither or both. One bad turn deserves another.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 20, 2014 13:21:28 GMT
Or the one we conceded to Liverpool when Sterling went down. Oh how I remember the national press leaping to condemn him. To be fair, mate, I don't particularly like the thought of our players joining in on the 'if you can't beat them then you might as well join them' but it's gone way over the top. There was a tug and maybe a shove but he made the absolute most of it. It's one of those 'seen them given' types which doesn't make it right but I've seen far more contentious decisions than that. Gary I think we'd all agree with you mate in principle but, as Mick posted earlier, you just don't get the decisions unless you make it plain to the referee that you've been fouled. No doubt you've also seen the post highlighting that Howard Webb actually told a football club that their players needed to go down when fouled to get the decision. I do agree mate that it sticks in the craw to see sportsmen falling over at the slightest nudge and you're dead right that I'd be livid if it had been the other way around but that's just the nature of the modern game with all it's faults. Do we put ourselves at a disadvantage to all other clubs by insisting that our players don't go down, even when they are fouled? I don't know because I agree with you in essence but why should we allow every other club to have an advantage over us? In all honesty, I'm much more concerned about players that 'engineer' none existent fouls by trailing a leg to make contact with the defender or by diving when no one has touched them. That's not the case with Moses (although I do think Sigurdsson tried it). Moses WAS fouled even though, I agree, it was minimal contact. It's difficult mate!!!!!
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 20, 2014 13:32:42 GMT
I think Shearer is the most boring man ever to grace this planet but at least he doesn't have his toon army goggles on when he's analysing Newcastle. Hartson could learn a thing or two from him, if he's ever given another chance on MOTD that is.
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