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Post by salopstick on Oct 18, 2014 10:39:24 GMT
Having looked at the facts of the case the man appears to have committed rape. Turning up at your mate's hotel having been invited by text. Having sex whilst watched through a window by your mate and brother is not normal consensual sex The players are role models whether they like it or not (and are paid accordingly). Therefore the man should not play football again in this country No doubt he will get his chance in another country where standards of behavior are different He is putting out a video this week. Better for his case if he sat in front of a large mixed panel and answered questions on his actions and put that on Youtube the tabloids are full of sordid stories about willing girls. Some of these girls will do anything to bag a footballer. His conviction is dodgy at best. You only have to speak to 4 people in Guildford and another 6 in Birmingham to truly believe in our justice system
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 18, 2014 11:44:19 GMT
Having looked at the facts of the case the man appears to have committed rape. Turning up at your mate's hotel having been invited by text. Having sex whilst watched through a window by your mate and brother is not normal consensual sex The players are role models whether they like it or not (and are paid accordingly). Therefore the man should not play football again in this country No doubt he will get his chance in another country where standards of behavior are different He is putting out a video this week. Better for his case if he sat in front of a large mixed panel and answered questions on his actions and put that on Youtube Do we know that he asked his friends to watch through a window? Maybe they should be prosecuted for invasion of privacy. Yes - the information about his mates watching was part of the evidence - part of the reason he was found guilty. It had all the hallmarks of a set-up by a group of men. The girl involved has had to leave her home town as her name was publicised so the fate of her assailant shouldn't be of more concern than that of the girl
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 18, 2014 12:01:36 GMT
Do we know that he asked his friends to watch through a window? Maybe they should be prosecuted for invasion of privacy. Yes - the information about his mates watching was part of the evidence - part of the reason he was found guilty. It had all the hallmarks of a set-up by a group of men. The girl involved has had to leave her home town as her name was publicised so the fate of her assailant shouldn't be of more concern than that of the girl Fair dos. I didn't realise that. Her having to leave town is a separate issue from the fairness of the conviction though. And if it was a setup it still doesn't make it rape if there was consent.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 18, 2014 12:15:07 GMT
Yes - the information about his mates watching was part of the evidence - part of the reason he was found guilty. It had all the hallmarks of a set-up by a group of men. The girl involved has had to leave her home town as her name was publicised so the fate of her assailant shouldn't be of more concern than that of the girl Fair dos. I didn't realise that. Her having to leave town is a separate issue from the fairness of the conviction though. And if it was a setup it still doesn't make it rape if there was consent. Apparently the two men at the window (curtains left open?) filmed proceedings which adds weight to the prosecution case Also Evans stepped over the drunken girl who was lying on the floor outside a take-away - so he was well aware of her condition The girl has had to have a new identity whilst private investigators (paid for by the millionaire father of Evan's girlfriend) are attempting to overturn the guilty verdict
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Post by basingstokie on Oct 18, 2014 12:30:00 GMT
The girl has had to have a new identity whilst private investigators (paid for by the millionaire father of Evan's girlfriend) are attempting to overturn the guilty verdict It is that that I find stranger than anything. Leaving aside the rape thing Ched cheated on his daughter who he had dated for a number of years to have sex with some girl he met on a nightout. Why on earth is Her Dad funding his defence - lucky he doesn't cut his balls off, sure my father in law would if I cheated on my wife.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 18, 2014 12:35:56 GMT
It is that that I find stranger than anything. Leaving aside the rape thing Ched cheated on his daughter who he had dated for a number of years to have sex with some girl he met on a nightout. Why on earth is Her Dad funding his defence - lucky he doesn't cut his balls off, sure my father in law would if I cheated on my wife. Obviously the daughter has decided to stay with Evans. In that case the father has decided he doesn't want a convicted rapist as a son-in-law As a father of three girls, I would have the shotgun out!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 13:59:15 GMT
christ don't mention the shotgun. I mentioned it once and didn't get away with it
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Post by skeelsy on Oct 18, 2014 18:27:40 GMT
Apparently the woman was too drunk to consent to sex with Evans but not too drunk to consent to sex with McDonald. If one was guilty then surely both of them were guilty yet McDonald got off scot-free. Perhaps some of the posters on this site might think that McDonald should also be shot or castrated.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 18, 2014 19:16:16 GMT
Apparently the woman was too drunk to consent to sex with Evans but not too drunk to consent to sex with McDonald. If one was guilty then surely both of them were guilty yet McDonald got off scot-free. Perhaps some of the posters on this site might think that McDonald should also be shot or castrated. Agreed
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 19, 2014 8:29:07 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 8:53:58 GMT
^^^ money speaks volumes dosn't it. If Ched Evans was a muslim I doubt he'd be having such amazing support. Sad but true.
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Post by ukcstokie on Oct 19, 2014 9:01:29 GMT
^^^ money speaks volumes dosn't it. If Ched Evans was a muslim I doubt he'd be having such amazing support. Sad but true. But doesn't he deserve justice like the rest of us?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 19, 2014 9:08:57 GMT
^^^ money speaks volumes dosn't it. If Ched Evans was a muslim I doubt he'd be having such amazing support. Sad but true. If Evans WAS a Muslim and his case was being fast tracked, I bet we'd have had a post on this thread saying that he was "only having such amazing support BECAUSE he was a Muslim". Sad but equally true!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 9:14:54 GMT
I can see why stepping over her in a kebab shop, and the mate/brother recording contributes to the prosecution case. Does this make it beyond reasonable doubt though?
The girl seems dodgy as. I like to see what it is that the jury thought meant he was guilty, because as far as I can see, there are arguments from both sides that seem valid.
Obviously not condoning rape or anything like that, if he was guilty then 2 and a half years is fuck all.
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Post by foster on Oct 19, 2014 9:36:55 GMT
Yes but that was his third offense, i'm sure if Evans had committed 3 rapes he would be in jail for a long time. I'm not sure on what scale 3 bites is worse than a rape. 4 bites worse than murder? Death sentence I think.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Oct 19, 2014 10:56:25 GMT
Time done so back to it. We have two convicted and time served players(killers) who wiped out 3 people who were allowed to return to playing so precedence set..at least by the FA. Lee Hughes wh0 left the scene and left a taxi driver to die in his smashed up cab & McCormick who ran a family off the M6 drunk and killed two kids. If you compare the two its a no brainer isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 11:13:17 GMT
^^^ money speaks volumes dosn't it. If Ched Evans was a muslim I doubt he'd be having such amazing support. Sad but true. If Evans was a Muslim it would never have gone to trial.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 19, 2014 11:52:12 GMT
Spoke to 2 Sheff Utd season ticket holders yesterday who are both ready to boycott rest of the season if he re-signs ( they consider themselves to be in the minority btw)
Both said they have no problem with him returning to employment in football, but why should he able to just waltz back into his old job?
How many convicted rapists would be able to do that.
If I worked for MacDonalds and got convicted for rape would I just be able to come straight back and walk into the job when and if I felt like it?
I think more outrageous is the campaign to reinstate him personally. That's quite sinister and not just about football imho!
They also made the point that he effectively has nothing to do with Sheff Utd now, only the fact that he has stated they are his preferred club.
Also he was unanimously convicted and has shown no remorse.
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Post by tazi on Oct 19, 2014 12:09:24 GMT
It shouldn't even be up for discussion about if or not he should be allowed to return to football or any other job for that matter because rapists deserve to be burned alive or at least those one who are considered to be of sound mind should be.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Oct 19, 2014 12:18:24 GMT
It shouldn't even be up for discussion about if or not he should be allowed to return to football or any other job for that matter because rapists deserve to be burned alive or at least those one who are considered to be of sound mind should be. There is an element of truth in that comment for sure but equally if you read all the information on the case, there is more than an element of doubt as to whether he raped her or simply participated in a sordid, yet consensual sex act. The bigger question is Why any bloke would want to indulge in a 3-some with another bloke, least of all one of your own mates. 2 women then fair enough. :-)
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Post by tazi on Oct 19, 2014 14:28:24 GMT
It shouldn't even be up for discussion about if or not he should be allowed to return to football or any other job for that matter because rapists deserve to be burned alive or at least those one who are considered to be of sound mind should be. There is an element of truth in that comment for sure but equally if you read all the information on the case, there is more than an element of doubt as to whether he raped her or simply participated in a sordid, yet consensual sex act. The bigger question is Why any bloke would want to indulge in a 3-some with another bloke, least of all one of your own mates. 2 women then fair enough. :-) That's why I said 'rapists'. If he's found not to be a rapist then fair enough he can work wherever for all I care, but for now he's adjudged to be just that.
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Post by richscfc on Oct 19, 2014 14:46:31 GMT
Regardless of what the fans think, if the employer thinks he is good enough to play at that level then surely it's up to him.
If the fans disagree and don't get behind their supported team then that's up to them, it wouldn't last too long any way.
He has served time, whether he was guilty or not.
He should be allowed to carry on his profession as others have been in prison and came back to play the beautiful game.
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Post by Boothen on Oct 19, 2014 14:50:08 GMT
He's a bit of a dick, but his conviction for 'rape' was as dubious as hell.
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Post by burberrybassist on Oct 19, 2014 15:39:39 GMT
On a completely footballing perspective will be interesting to see if he is able to cut it at Sheffields level after being out of training for 2 and a half years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 10:44:28 GMT
Do we know that he asked his friends to watch through a window? Maybe they should be prosecuted for invasion of privacy. Yes - the information about his mates watching was part of the evidence - part of the reason he was found guilty. It had all the hallmarks of a set-up by a group of men. The girl involved has had to leave her home town as her name was publicised so the fate of her assailant shouldn't be of more concern than that of the girl that isn't true though at all the friends (one of which was his brother) were waiting in the cab for evans to come back. they got out of the cab and went to the window without Evan's knowledge at all.
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Post by ihaveadream on Oct 22, 2014 13:08:58 GMT
Evans' girlfriend is obviously so desperate to continue the wag lifestyle that she is prepared to stay with him under any circumstance
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Post by metalhead on Oct 22, 2014 13:22:36 GMT
Evans' girlfriend is obviously so desperate to continue the wag lifestyle that she is prepared to stay with him under any circumstance He cheated on her. I imagine there's a lot of relationships that have involved one party cheating that have recovered.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 13:31:49 GMT
Perhaps the answer lies in what lessons have been learned and what measure of humility has transpired since his conviction. If the law deems he's a guilty man , then he is . Would I want to see him playing for Stoke ....No .
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Post by dozintheseventees on Oct 22, 2014 13:40:42 GMT
I know and understand people will want to widen the debate because of the nature of the 'crime' but I really do think it's pretty simple in the end. He went to trial, was convicted and served the sentence that a judge deemed appropriate. He's now free to take up employment and get on with his life whether people agree with that or not. What sickens many is the fact that the victims of crime often have to suffer the after effects for many years to come whilst those convicted appear to return to their normal lives. I understand just how hard that is to swallow and I simply cannot conceive how the families of those in the McCormick and Hughes cases must feel....It's absolutely heartbreaking.
I have to wonder why any football club would feel the need, or desire to employ Evans to be honest since he was never 'God's Gift' to football and he's been away from the game for some time. That said, they are all free to offer him employment if they so wish regardless of what any of us might feel about that.
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Post by onionman on Oct 22, 2014 14:12:01 GMT
I know and understand people will want to widen the debate because of the nature of the 'crime' but I really do think it's pretty simple in the end. He went to trial, was convicted and served the sentence that a judge deemed appropriate. He's now free to take up employment and get on with his life whether people agree with that or not. What sickens many is the fact that the victims of crime often have to suffer the after effects for many years to come whilst those convicted appear to return to their normal lives. I understand just how hard that is to swallow and I simply cannot conceive how the families of those in the McCormick and Hughes cases must feel....It's absolutely heartbreaking. I have to wonder why any football club would feel the need, or desire to employ Evans to be honest since he was never 'God's Gift' to football and he's been away from the game for some time. That said, they are all free to offer him employment if they so wish regardless of what any of us might feel about that. Agree in principle mate, but if you're a third division club he could actually be your God's Gift. That bit is all relative and he's a proven goalscorer in the lower divisions.
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