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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 16:24:29 GMT
What about the woman's sentence she has to live the rest of her life. So what do you propose he can and can't do then? Where do you draw the line after he's been released from the conviction for his actions?
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Post by nott1 on Oct 17, 2014 16:27:07 GMT
Looking at what has been said on here, this guy will be cleared on appeal, and the police will have a lot to answer for.Give him his job back I say.
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Post by adamsson on Oct 17, 2014 16:28:41 GMT
Once someone has served their time about the WORST thing you can do is stop them getting a job which they are good at. Obviously there are jobs which will always be barred to a rapist and other jobs which are barred to a fraudster and yet other jobs which are barred to a paedophile. The law has listed such jobs and it has not chosen to include playing (as opposed, possibly, to coaching?) football on any proscribed list relating to rapists. Sentences are supposed to punish but, once served, the law is supposed to assist in rehabilitation. The prisoner who serves the sentence the law demands, comes out of prison and gets a job which he enjoys and which he is good at, stands a much better chance of staying out of further trouble than someone who finds that he can't get a job. I suspect that if footballers were paid the national minimum wage, there would be little or no outcry against Evans getting a job as a footballer. Quite right but I will not criticise any opposition fans who abuse him about his actions.
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 17, 2014 17:07:42 GMT
Looking at what has been said on here, this guy will be cleared on appeal, and the police will have a lot to answer for.Give him his job back I say. Don't think you can appeal a rape verdict,it's the only one you can't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 17, 2014 17:16:56 GMT
I'd have him in a flash if he was good enough for where we are. He'd walk into every League One side and some Championship sides, so he'll get a job, as is his right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 17:20:52 GMT
I always try to put myself in the perspective of the parent of the victim in these cases. I could just imagine the horror if this was my daughter's rapist not just walking the streets again but actually going back to a game that made him a millionaire. Felt the same about that wanker Lee Hughes and Luke McCormick. For being convicted of raping a girl this guy should never play football again. Simple as that. So if you've ever done a crime you're only allowed to earn so much, nonsense. And why is football any different from other jobs, I never get this idea that it should be some protected sport only played by the pure, if that was the case say goodbye to a lot of players. If you read again mate thats not what I said at all. I said if my daughters rapist was back playing the game that made him a millionaire after just 2 and a half years I'd be loading my own shotgun.....then you can bet Id get longer than that pathetic sentence. Everyone who says what if he was innocent what if he wasn't. If he has served his time and is indeed a rapist I wouldn't want him anywhere near Stoke City.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 17, 2014 17:34:16 GMT
So if you've ever done a crime you're only allowed to earn so much, nonsense. And why is football any different from other jobs, I never get this idea that it should be some protected sport only played by the pure, if that was the case say goodbye to a lot of players. If you read again mate thats not what I said at all. I said if my daughters rapist was back playing the game that made him a millionaire after just 2 and a half years I'd be loading my own shotgun.....then you can bet Id get longer than that pathetic sentence. Everyone who says what if he was innocent what if he wasn't. If he has served his time and is indeed a rapist I wouldn't want him anywhere near Stoke City. Fair enough I missed what you were saying, still don't see how him being a millionaire has anything to do with it.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 17, 2014 17:37:39 GMT
So if you've ever done a crime you're only allowed to earn so much, nonsense. And why is football any different from other jobs, I never get this idea that it should be some protected sport only played by the pure, if that was the case say goodbye to a lot of players. If you read again mate thats not what I said at all. I said if my daughters rapist was back playing the game that made him a millionaire after just 2 and a half years I'd be loading my own shotgun.....then you can bet Id get longer than that pathetic sentence. Everyone who says what if he was innocent what if he wasn't. If he has served his time and is indeed a rapist I wouldn't want him anywhere near Stoke City. I struggle to see how shooting your daughter's rapist and then serving time yourself, would help your daughter or anyone else in the family, including yourself. It could actually place a whole layer of guilt on her as she would possibly feel that you being in prison was somehow her fault. Still, we all have to make our own decisions in life I suppose. Totally agree about not wanting him at my club - but that is different to saying he shouldn't be allowed to work for a club which is prepared to have him.
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Post by enuntio on Oct 17, 2014 17:37:46 GMT
He may yet clear his name
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 17, 2014 17:59:39 GMT
Looking at what has been said on here, this guy will be cleared on appeal, and the police will have a lot to answer for.Give him his job back I say. Don't think you can appeal a rape verdict,it's the only one you can't. I think he's already lost an appeal and is now awaiting a judicial review.
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Post by chad on Oct 17, 2014 18:03:25 GMT
I've no time for rapists but if you read everything about this case the woman concerned isn't whiter than white here. I think he'll eventually "clear" his name although he'll always have the stigma He's served his time and I don't see how you can stop him pursuing his profession. Think probably for his own good he may however be better off doing that abroad
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 18:32:53 GMT
It amuses me how everyone on here thinks the time he has served is a slap on the wrist.
He has his liberty removed for 30 months! Hes not been on a 2 week holiday.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Oct 17, 2014 18:38:18 GMT
So if you've ever done a crime you're only allowed to earn so much, nonsense. And why is football any different from other jobs, I never get this idea that it should be some protected sport only played by the pure, if that was the case say goodbye to a lot of players. If you read again mate thats not what I said at all. I said if my daughters rapist was back playing the game that made him a millionaire after just 2 and a half years I'd be loading my own shotgun.....then you can bet Id get longer than that pathetic sentence. Everyone who says what if he was innocent what if he wasn't. If he has served his time and is indeed a rapist I wouldn't want him anywhere near Stoke City. But who are you aiming your shotgun at? A) Evans who got 5 years and is free after 2 1/2 years? B) The judicial system who gave him 5 years and then released him after 2 1/2 years? C) Your teenage daughter, who coincidentally was involved with 2 separate rape accusations within weeks of each other both of which involved professional sportsmen? Tweeting these tweets during the period between the rape charge and the rape conviction; "‘@xxxxxxx I will get us matching pink Mini Coopers! Haha! Just seen them pictures on Facebook, I forgot bout XXXXXXX! Haha! X" "‘Remind me never to tell @xxxxxxx when I win big!..... She’s going to kill me! #scaredformylife! Haha!" Put your gun down fella.
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Post by discokaraoke on Oct 17, 2014 18:50:40 GMT
I thought you were only allowed an early release if you admitted guilt and promised to repent for your sins? I'm close to someone who was accused of the same crime and pleaded innocent and because they refused to admit guilt parole was out of the question and they served the full term of 5 years. He's been released 2 and a half years in of a five year term. If he had pleaded guilty, his sentence would have been a lot less! Refusing to admit guilt while serving your given sentence, dose not affect parole whatsoever, FACT!
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Post by basingstokie on Oct 17, 2014 19:18:54 GMT
Maybe the reason he won't admit guilt is that he genuinely believes he didn't rape her.
Admitting you are a rapist is up there with paedophilia and I certainly wouldn't want to be found guilty of or admit either.
There is clearly a very grey line over her consent either through her words or actions or probably both. Not saying he didn't do it - he has been found guilty, but who hasn't bought a girl a drink or 3, hoping she loses her inhibitions and standards just enough, and who among us hasn't taken advantage of that situation. I'm not talking about virtual kidnap and rape of an unconscious girl but as the video shows she certainly wasn't unconscious when she entered the hotel and medical advice suggests based on amount she drank and time she would've been nicely drunk but nowhere near not knowing what she was doing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 20:43:39 GMT
I thought you were only allowed an early release if you admitted guilt and promised to repent for your sins? I'm close to someone who was accused of the same crime and pleaded innocent and because they refused to admit guilt parole was out of the question and they served the full term of 5 years. He's been released 2 and a half years in of a five year term. If he had pleaded guilty, his sentence would have been a lot less! Refusing to admit guilt while serving your given sentence, dose not affect parole whatsoever, FACT! Not necessarily. Yes he would have received a one third reduction in sentence, but would have been pleading guilty on the prosecutions full facts, which could have resulted in a higher starting point. Sometimes running a trial can result in a better sentence.
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Post by lancer on Oct 17, 2014 21:10:30 GMT
He's done the crime, he's served his time. What's to happen to him now, is he to be deprived of a chance to earn a living?. We get thieving MPs who fiddle thousands in their expenses claims, get caught, offer an apology, stand down from office for a month then get reinstated. If you say he hasn't served long enough, that's another matter entirely, but he's served the time the law said he should.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 7:36:38 GMT
Two and a half years in prison for a bit of surprise sex? The worlds gone mad.
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Post by bathstoke on Oct 18, 2014 8:16:16 GMT
Let he who hasn't shagged a drunken bird cast the first stone. I'll happily cast that stone then! As for Evans, I think I'm like the majority of people if only they'd be honest; my head agrees with Basingstokie, my heart says castrate the bastard. What about the fat/ugly women that have taken advantage of me when I was drunk!?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 8:22:41 GMT
I'm surprised at some of the leniency on here.
Considering the uproar when Suarez nibbled Chiellini I expected a different response. The consensus was "ban him for life."
Biting worse than rape?
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 18, 2014 9:17:10 GMT
I'm surprised at some of the leniency on here. Considering the uproar when Suarez nibbled Chiellini I expected a different response. The consensus was "ban him for life." Biting worse than rape? Yes but that was his third offense, i'm sure if Evans had committed 3 rapes he would be in jail for a long time.
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Post by homer32 on Oct 18, 2014 9:27:48 GMT
Listened to Talk Sport yesterday when Adrian Durham & Darren Gough had Gordon Taylor the PFA boss on, got very heated with Taylor representing his player and Durham trying to wind him up by continually calling him a convicted rapist.I found myself on Taylor's side as Ched Evans may well prove his innocence as it appears to be far from a cut and dried rape case.However 2 days after he had been convicted he was announced as being in the Championship team of the season and received applause at their Dinner which Durham really went at Taylor about and wouldn't let go. An excellent interview .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 9:38:53 GMT
I'm surprised at some of the leniency on here. Considering the uproar when Suarez nibbled Chiellini I expected a different response. The consensus was "ban him for life." Biting worse than rape? Yes but that was his third offense, i'm sure if Evans had committed 3 rapes he would be in jail for a long time. I'm not sure on what scale 3 bites is worse than a rape. 4 bites worse than murder?
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Post by rawli on Oct 18, 2014 9:40:24 GMT
Wow - didn't expect that response. why not? principle of what he's saying is exactly the same and applies to any crime. no need for it to change simply because one crime has been deemed to be more emotive than another. fair play to him for having the courage of his convictions So it's courageous to say he'd want anyone to play for Stoke no matter what they've previously done as long as they've done their time. Sounds a skewed moral compass to me.
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Post by rawli on Oct 18, 2014 9:42:19 GMT
Yes but that was his third offense, i'm sure if Evans had committed 3 rapes he would be in jail for a long time. I'm not sure on what scale 3 bites is worse than a rape. 4 bites worse than murder? Diving must be up there with manslaughter and as for waving imaginary cards...
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Post by Squeekster on Oct 18, 2014 10:21:07 GMT
Yes but that was his third offense, i'm sure if Evans had committed 3 rapes he would be in jail for a long time. I'm not sure on what scale 3 bites is worse than a rape. 4 bites worse than murder? Suarez crimes were linked directly to football and happened on a football pitch. Evans crime has nothing to do with football.
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 18, 2014 10:21:22 GMT
I don't understand his conviction. He's convicted on the basis that the victim was too drunk to have consented? Yet she was recorded on CCTV walking around, texting one-handed, in a much-less-than-innebriated state. Both of the accused agreed that she consented in separate mutually corroborating statements. The night porter heard noises from outside suggesting consensual activities. According to various sources the victim has previous with regard to this kind of accusation and is known to have bragged on twitter about getting a big payout.
I wasn't in the courtroom, but based on the available facts I'd better get down to the police station to hand myself in as the perpetrator of a string of rapes. Or maybe I was the victim. Who's to say?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 10:27:00 GMT
Not sure if someone posted before, but wasn't there another player involved from The Vale...Bit out of touch here, didn't make the Bangkok Post...
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Oct 18, 2014 10:32:21 GMT
Having looked at the facts of the case the man appears to have committed rape. Turning up at your mate's hotel having been invited by text. Having sex whilst watched through a window by your mate and brother is not normal consensual sex
The players are role models whether they like it or not (and are paid accordingly). Therefore the man should not play football again in this country
No doubt he will get his chance in another country where standards of behavior are different
He is putting out a video this week. Better for his case if he sat in front of a large mixed panel and answered questions on his actions and put that on Youtube
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Post by Timmypotter on Oct 18, 2014 10:36:27 GMT
Having looked at the facts of the case the man appears to have committed rape. Turning up at your mate's hotel having been invited by text. Having sex whilst watched through a window by your mate and brother is not normal consensual sex The players are role models whether they like it or not (and are paid accordingly). Therefore the man should not play football again in this country No doubt he will get his chance in another country where standards of behavior are different He is putting out a video this week. Better for his case if he sat in front of a large mixed panel and answered questions on his actions and put that on Youtube Do we know that he asked his friends to watch through a window? Maybe they should be prosecuted for invasion of privacy.
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