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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 11:41:00 GMT
Those assist's made them champions' in one year alone, Zidane called Claude' 'the engine' by getting forward as well as defending. Say what you will, that 500k Irish stop gap you all love won't ever get us over top 10. It's a cheap fix for a needed engine replacement. If you wonder why our attacks never build watch Whelan with the ball as the front players look to get open. When Real Madrid won La Liga in 2002/03, Makelele* made one goal assist. * Makelele was a great player by the way. He wasn't appreciated, he had way more that lead to goals than the statisticians didn't count. He handed in a transfer request as his calls for wage increases went unheard. He went to chelsea had one shot on goal and scored. Had a 100% tally that season He has more championships than any of our players and was considered the best holding midfielder at real of his time. AND he still scored more than once every 5 years...
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Post by onionman on Oct 17, 2014 11:43:07 GMT
While we're at it, can I suggest we fix our problems at centre-forward by signing a goal machine in the Emile Heskey vein?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 17, 2014 11:44:50 GMT
When Real Madrid won La Liga in 2002/03, Makelele* made one goal assist. * Makelele was a great player by the way. He wasn't appreciated, he had way more that lead to goals than the statisticians didn't count. He handed in a transfer request as his calls for wage increases went unheard. He went to chelsea had one shot on goal and scored. Had a 100% tally that season He has more championships than any of our players and was considered the best holding midfielder at real of his time. AND he still scored more than once every 5 years...
Right so those stats that you told us about, you know, about Makelele scoring all those goals and providing all those assists ... well they've actually proven to be wrong, so now you're claiming the statisticians musn't haven't counted them all correctly?
Ok then ...
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 17, 2014 11:45:04 GMT
He had more championships than any of our other players? Kind of makes sense when there's a £15m player in every position!
Really can't believe we're having a debate over the role of a DM - or that a DM doesn't score goals!
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Post by Davef on Oct 17, 2014 11:46:51 GMT
When Real Madrid won La Liga in 2002/03, Makelele* made one goal assist. * Makelele was a great player by the way. He wasn't appreciated, he had way more that lead to goals than the statisticians didn't count. He handed in a transfer request as his calls for wage increases went unheard. He went to chelsea had one shot on goal and scored. Had a 100% tally that season He has more championships than any of our players and was considered the best holding midfielder at real of his time. AND he still scored more than once every 5 years... Well what are these other assists then? Passing the ball to Zidane or Beckham to start a move off? Winning a tackle that started a Madrid move off? I'm sure if you really, really, really thought about it, Glenn Whelan has played his part in many Stoke City goals over the past six years by doing exactly that kind of thing.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 11:48:48 GMT
He had more championships than any of our other players? Kind of makes sense when there's a £15m player in every position! Really can't believe we're having a debate over the role of a DM - or that a DM doesn't score goals! A DM scored a goal to beat us at home this season, his name was Danny Drinkwater. He and Cambiasso were rotating positions and during his shout at defending their backline he got forward and scored. Your point?
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 11:50:40 GMT
He wasn't appreciated, he had way more that lead to goals than the statisticians didn't count. He handed in a transfer request as his calls for wage increases went unheard. He went to chelsea had one shot on goal and scored. Had a 100% tally that season He has more championships than any of our players and was considered the best holding midfielder at real of his time. AND he still scored more than once every 5 years... Well what are these other assists then? Passing the ball to Zidane or Beckham to start a move off? Winning a tackle that started a Madrid move off? I'm sure if you really, really, really thought about it, Glenn Whelan has played his part in many Stoke City goals over the past six years by doing exactly that kind of thing. Umm no no he hasn't, Nzonzi has setup many goals whelan has passed to nzonzi over the past six years or to arnie or assaidi/ odemwingie or Adam who made magic.
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Post by werrington on Oct 17, 2014 11:51:37 GMT
Stokemanusa has completely lost the plot here
Next he'll be comparing Messi with Lewis Neal
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Post by Pugsley on Oct 17, 2014 11:54:19 GMT
I don't know about goals but the odd forward pass from Glenn wouldn't go a miss.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 11:54:43 GMT
Stokemanusa has completely lost the plot here Next he'll be comparing Messi with Lewis Neal No you lot are too busy comparing Whelan who cost stoke 500k from some shit side to sergio busquets and claude makelele and wonder why were slow on the attack. Typical oatcakers. Stuck in nostalgia.
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Post by Davef on Oct 17, 2014 11:54:48 GMT
He had more championships than any of our other players? Kind of makes sense when there's a £15m player in every position! Really can't believe we're having a debate over the role of a DM - or that a DM doesn't score goals! A DM scored a goal to beat us at home this season, his name was Danny Drinkwater. He and Cambiasso were rotating positions and during his shout at defending their backline he got forward and scored. Your point? Somebody else tell him please, I can't be arsed.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 17, 2014 11:57:22 GMT
A DM scored a goal to beat us at home this season, his name was Danny Drinkwater. He and Cambiasso were rotating positions and during his shout at defending their backline he got forward and scored. Your point? Somebody else tell him please, I can't be arsed. Drinkwater notching that famous goal against us earlier this season
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 17, 2014 11:58:03 GMT
Stokemanusa has completely lost the plot here Next he'll be comparing Messi with Lewis Neal But can Lewis Neal do it on a barmy Tuesday night in Barcelona?
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Post by Davef on Oct 17, 2014 11:58:27 GMT
Stokemanusa has completely lost the plot here Next he'll be comparing Messi with Lewis Neal No you lot are too busy comparing Whelan who cost stoke 500k from some shit side to sergio busquets and claude makelele and wonder why were slow on the attack. Typical oatcakers. Stuck in nostalgia. The only comparison people are making between Glenn Whelan and those other players is his goalscoring record as a fellow defensive midfield player. Which, of course, has been proven correct.
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Post by werrington on Oct 17, 2014 11:59:12 GMT
I don't know about goals but the odd forward pass from Glenn wouldn't go a miss.
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Post by onionman on Oct 17, 2014 11:59:27 GMT
I think in this context "scoring a goal" means "being on the pitch when a goal was scored".
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 11:59:50 GMT
Somebody else tell him please, I can't be arsed. Drinkwater notching that famous goal against us earlier this season Drinkwater set it up, ulloa finished it' tapped it.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 12:01:56 GMT
Watch that pass. Drinkwater lays it off coming from behind the halfway line to join the attack. Ulloa taps it like Crouch would. I wish Whelan got near the box to pass like that. Getting the little Irish fucker over the halfway line is enough to applause.
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Post by lordb on Oct 17, 2014 12:18:11 GMT
I don't know about goals but the odd forward pass from Glenn wouldn't go a miss. 12 months ago I would have agreed with that 100% However Whelan ended up last season spraying the ball about like an old school playmaker (Villa away especially) His 'vision' isn't his strength for sure but he can do it often enough for a holding midfielder.
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Post by Davef on Oct 17, 2014 12:26:12 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 12:29:38 GMT
You wish he did that don't you. he doesn't and I rest my case. Glenn whelan is a great passer and body in front of the back four and nothing else. He has great games moving the ball but he and nzonzi are now the slowest part of our attack, coupled with fullbacks being tied into not overlapping. Hopefully diouf and crouch can pick up the load this season or it's going to be interesting unless there is formation changes. We've been figured out. Boss the midfield, force them wide and press stoke's wingers = Leicester at the brit.
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 17, 2014 12:34:26 GMT
Leicester at The Brit? It was down to our own poor finishing that day that we didn't win. 16 corners, 27 attempts on goal. Drinkwater didn't do THAT well!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 12:39:59 GMT
Drinkwater notching that famous goal against us earlier this season Drinkwater set it up, ulloa finished it' tapped it. it's a fucking stunning finish to be fair, not sure 'tapped it in' does him credit. A great goal in a game we deserved to win!
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 12:44:18 GMT
Leicester at The Brit? It was down to our own poor finishing that day that we didn't win. 16 corners, 27 attempts on goal. Drinkwater didn't do THAT well! Watch that pass again, you'll see what were missing. We were unlucky on goal yes but it only takes one counter to lose.
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 17, 2014 12:47:34 GMT
So it's now Glenn Whelan's job to provide assists, score goals, protect the back four, do "the dirty work" off the ball, burst forward etc etc? Good luck Glenn!
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 12:53:28 GMT
So it's now Glenn Whelan's job to provide assists, score goals, protect the back four, do "the dirty work" off the ball, burst forward etc etc? Good luck Glenn! It is the premier league not Sunday school. Hell, everyone else does all the above. Muniesa did it in a fierce cup battle away at Sunderland is he exempt?
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 17, 2014 12:57:00 GMT
I'm not sure they do! I'd say Whelan's job was to protect the back four, Nzonzi's job to retain possession and Adam's job to drive us forward and have shots on goal. Obviously, those things aren't exclusive to those players, but I'd suggest those were their main jobs. It's a simplistic view but a fair 'quick' summary I think. So now we want a goalscoring left back too?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 17, 2014 13:00:05 GMT
Are we on about Mascherano, the centre half? No, the one who spent years for Liverpool and Argentina as a defensive midfielder.
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Post by stokemanusa on Oct 17, 2014 13:02:43 GMT
I'm not sure they do! I'd say Whelan's job was to protect the back four, Nzonzi's job to retain possession and Adam's job to drive us forward and have shots on goal. Obviously, those things aren't exclusive to those players, but I'd suggest those were their main jobs. It's a simplistic view but a fair 'quick' summary I think. So now we want a goalscoring left back too? Ummm for years we just wanted a leftback... Now we have two who can counter and get the occasional goal... umm hell yea I want goals from LB are you mental? Remember pieters dashing runs last season? his fluke goal which we all thought was a cross which flew into the backside net as if it was planned... seriously are you wanting us to be "solid" to the point of returning to 2008 were we parked the bus both halfs under the capped one? I'm not. I think hughes' setup needs tweaking and persistent movement.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 17, 2014 13:02:53 GMT
Stokemanusa, a few things.
1) Yaya Toure plays as a box to boxer, not a defensive midfielder.
2). Those players don't have 'sizeable goal tallies'.
3) If Whelan 'not chipping in' was such a problem why hasn't he been dropped?
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