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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 15, 2014 15:17:59 GMT
He's done one bad tackle Dave, enough for us Stokies to write him off completely. I still think he got the ball
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 15, 2014 15:19:05 GMT
When Nzonzi's been tasked with that role he hasn't given the back four any real protection. Yes and that's the conundrum, we look a more likely goal threat, but weaker defensively.
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 15, 2014 15:20:58 GMT
Are we taking it that Palacios is completely out of the equation now? That appearance v Villa last season seems a lifetime ago.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:23:27 GMT
We've got plenty of options. Cameron could go in there, or Sidwell as well. Muniesa is another; Hughes has already said he has the ability to play in many positions. You could even move Wilson forward a position and restore Huth....I'm sure that'd delight some of you...
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 15, 2014 15:24:29 GMT
Of the options available I'd give Geoff a go there I think.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 15, 2014 15:24:31 GMT
Not at all if available Hughes needs to consider all his options. I would be disappointed if we didn't have a better option though. Than WP that is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:29:40 GMT
It's a shame Roy Hodgson is not the Irish manager. Whelan would not have got injured then
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Post by mrpickles on Oct 15, 2014 15:30:44 GMT
I'm not saying it would be the right decision to play him there, but when Hughes signed Sidwell for Fulham, he seemed to replace defensive midfielder Dickson Etuhu in the first 11, and generally played alongside Danny Murphy with Zoltan Gera as the attacking midfielder. I was sad enough to check the Fulham lineups from the time Like most people, I've always thought of him as a box to box midfielder, but maybe Hughes views him differently? Personally, I think Geoff deserves a crack at the role if Whelan is out.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 15, 2014 15:37:58 GMT
I'm not saying it would be the right decision to play him there, but when Hughes signed Sidwell for Fulham, he seemed to replace defensive midfielder Dickson Etuhu in the first 11, and generally played alongside Danny Murphy with Zoltan Gera as the attacking midfielder. I was sad enough to check the Fulham lineups from the time Like most people, I've always thought of him as a box to box midfielder, but maybe Hughes views him differently? Personally, I think Geoff deserves a crack at the role if Whelan is out. Wasn't that in a two man midfield though, where they'd alternate the role? Murphy I seem to recall playing a sort of quarterback role, sitting deep and pinging it here and there while his midfield partner pinballed around everywhere doing the dirty work.
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Post by mrpickles on Oct 15, 2014 15:48:46 GMT
I'm not saying it would be the right decision to play him there, but when Hughes signed Sidwell for Fulham, he seemed to replace defensive midfielder Dickson Etuhu in the first 11, and generally played alongside Danny Murphy with Zoltan Gera as the attacking midfielder. I was sad enough to check the Fulham lineups from the time Like most people, I've always thought of him as a box to box midfielder, but maybe Hughes views him differently? Personally, I think Geoff deserves a crack at the role if Whelan is out. Wasn't that in a two man midfield though, where they'd alternate the role? Murphy I seem to recall playing a sort of quarterback role, sitting deep and pinging it here and there while his midfield partner pinballed around everywhere doing the dirty work. Possibly so Rob. Just making the point that, if he thinks he could play alongside Danny Murphy without any detriment to the defensive side of the midfield, then I can't imagine he'd think twice about putting him alongside N'Zonzi.
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Post by nik80 on Oct 15, 2014 15:50:41 GMT
Injuries are gonna do us this season thats why we have a squad. one mans bad news is also an opening for another player. Well yeah I suppose so but it's still unfortunate to lose the likes of Whelan, Moses and Odemwingie all at the same time. It was great that we had a strong squad to start the season but it's looking pretty thin on the ground now isn't it? At the very least Whelan and Moses would get into my starting eleven on Sunday, that's not even considering the likes of Diouf, Odemwingie and Cameron.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 15, 2014 15:53:06 GMT
Wasn't that in a two man midfield though, where they'd alternate the role? Murphy I seem to recall playing a sort of quarterback role, sitting deep and pinging it here and there while his midfield partner pinballed around everywhere doing the dirty work. Possibly so Rob. Just making the point that, if he thinks he could play alongside Danny Murphy without any detriment to the defensive side of the midfield, then I can't imagine he'd think twice about putting him alongside N'Zonzi. I can see him playing him there absolutely mate. He's used him as a means of shoring things up so far and you have to question why he was signed if he doesn't think he can play him there. I just think his best football has been played as a box to box type and wonder if he's prepared to sit and do all the off the ball stuff Glenn does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 15:58:20 GMT
We haven't got anyone in the squad capable of doing his dirty work so any option is going to be one with risks. I see Sidwell and Cameron as more box to box players whilst you're left with Adam, who could play deeper if we had someone in the hole doing the donkey work or Ireland who I wouldn't touch with yours in that role. The other way to get around Adam is with a flat 3 in midfield.
We could try Muniesa there but that is a massive risk for a game we are likely to start off in the bottom three. It is a game we simply cannot lose.
I'd play a flat 4 3 3 and play a 3 of Nzonzi, Sidwell and Adam and just hope we fudge our way through it.
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Post by mrpickles on Oct 15, 2014 15:58:43 GMT
Possibly so Rob. Just making the point that, if he thinks he could play alongside Danny Murphy without any detriment to the defensive side of the midfield, then I can't imagine he'd think twice about putting him alongside N'Zonzi. I can see him playing him there absolutely mate. He's used him as a means of shoring things up so far and you have to question why he was signed if he doesn't think he can play him there. I just think his best football has been played as a box to box type and wonder if he's prepared to sit and do all the off the ball stuff Glenn does. Yeah, I agree mate. I've got the same opinion of him, and the same concerns about him replacing Glenn. I'd like to see Geoff have a crack at it.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 15, 2014 15:59:18 GMT
We're done with Sidwell then are we? Before the clocks go back? Great ain't it? And although in a good vein of form Whelan, (who is the most limited player in our squad after Wilko & Walters) is all of a sudden irreplaceable. Makes me laugh. I am off to study the league grounds of the Championship now as I may as well prep for next season...
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 15, 2014 15:59:56 GMT
That good vein of form that's lasted for about 12 months? That one?
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 15, 2014 16:04:59 GMT
We're done with Sidwell then are we? Before the clocks go back? Great ain't it? And although in a good vein of form Whelan, (who is the most limited player in our squad after Wilko & Walters) is all of a sudden irreplaceable. Makes me laugh. I am off to study the league grounds of the Championship now as I may as well prep for next season... Nowt like a good dose of positivity is there....
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Post by superstokiejon on Oct 15, 2014 16:07:26 GMT
The thing I like about Whelan is when he's lost his place in the past, he's got his head down to fight his way back, and looked better each time he's returned.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 15, 2014 16:08:47 GMT
Great ain't it? And although in a good vein of form Whelan, (who is the most limited player in our squad after Wilko & Walters) is all of a sudden irreplaceable. Makes me laugh. I am off to study the league grounds of the Championship now as I may as well prep for next season... Nowt like a good dose of positivity is there.... Look up sarcasm in the dictionary
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 15, 2014 16:12:18 GMT
Nowt like a good dose of positivity is there.... Look up sarcasm in the dictionary Aahh...at least we're on the same page then....we'll be fine !
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 15, 2014 16:21:38 GMT
I like Nzonzi but he offers very little as a goal threat, be it assist's or actual shots on target, let alone goals. With his composure on the ball and retention of possession, in theory he would be an ideal shield for the back four. But does his attitude prevent him from being able to fulfil the role?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 15, 2014 16:25:37 GMT
We're done with Sidwell then are we? Before the clocks go back? Great ain't it? And although in a good vein of form Whelan, (who is the most limited player in our squad after Wilko & Walters) is all of a sudden irreplaceable. Makes me laugh. I am off to study the league grounds of the Championship now as I may as well prep for next season... With the squad we have and the form he's showing he is irreplaceable.
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Post by march4 on Oct 15, 2014 17:02:31 GMT
Our best player since last Christmas has been Glenn Whelan - to lose him for any length of time is a serious blow and whoever comes in will be less effective.
With Ireland and Adam having knocks already this season, we are struggling all of a sudden.
Sidwell seems the ONLY option to me unless LMH decides to try N'Zonzi, Adam and Ireland in midfield at the same time (unlikely).
If this was a parallel universe, WP would come back in, win footballer of the year and score our winning goal in the cup final.
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 15, 2014 17:10:46 GMT
We haven't got anyone in the squad capable of doing his dirty work so any option is going to be one with risks. I see Sidwell and Cameron as more box to box players whilst you're left with Adam, who could play deeper if we had someone in the hole doing the donkey work or Ireland who I wouldn't touch with yours in that role. The other way to get around Adam is with a flat 3 in midfield. We could try Muniesa there but that is a massive risk for a game we are likely to start off in the bottom three. It is a game we simply cannot lose. I'd play a flat 4 3 3 and play a 3 of Nzonzi, Sidwell and Adam and just hope we fudge our way through it. I guarantee we will not be in the bottom 3 when we kick off on Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 17:11:53 GMT
We haven't got anyone in the squad capable of doing his dirty work so any option is going to be one with risks. I see Sidwell and Cameron as more box to box players whilst you're left with Adam, who could play deeper if we had someone in the hole doing the donkey work or Ireland who I wouldn't touch with yours in that role. The other way to get around Adam is with a flat 3 in midfield. We could try Muniesa there but that is a massive risk for a game we are likely to start off in the bottom three. It is a game we simply cannot lose. I'd play a flat 4 3 3 and play a 3 of Nzonzi, Sidwell and Adam and just hope we fudge our way through it. I guarantee we will not be in the bottom 3 when we kick off on Sunday. Yes. I am a clown. Lesson here is do your research more thoroughly in future!
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 15, 2014 17:21:41 GMT
Stick Ollie Shenton in instead.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 15, 2014 17:54:57 GMT
Stick Ollie Shenton in instead. Is he a defencive midfielder?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 15, 2014 17:55:40 GMT
I like Nzonzi but he offers very little as a goal threat, be it assist's or actual shots on target, let alone goals. With his composure on the ball and retention of possession, in theory he would be an ideal shield for the back four. But does his attitude prevent him from being able to fulfil the role? When he's been tasked with doing that, he hasn't done it well.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 15, 2014 18:12:53 GMT
Stick Ollie Shenton in instead. Is he a defencive midfielder? Nope don't think he is but compared to rolling out Palacios and sidwell I'd have him in every time
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 15, 2014 18:14:19 GMT
I'd like to see Geoffrey given a chance there.
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