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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 4, 2014 13:18:54 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. Phil Jones and Chris Smalling aren't perfectly good defenders. Phil Jagielka this season has been a bloody calamity. And John Stones still doesn't convince me but he's young so I'll let him off.
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Post by jaybee on Oct 4, 2014 13:19:05 GMT
Found it now. It was that small. Basically says he's not international class, will never play for England again and should throw in his lot with Wales. Just coz it was small, doesn't mean that you have to misread it To me it says that he must be pi55ed off not being selected by woy so maybe ought to defect to wales
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Post by shipshape on Oct 4, 2014 13:22:34 GMT
Found it now. It was that small. Basically says he's not international class, will never play for England again and should throw in his lot with Wales. Just coz it was small, doesn't mean that you have to misread it To me it says that he must be pi55ed off not being selected by woy so maybe ought to defect to wales Yep. The writer was showing sympathy for Shawcross. But it's an article about Stoke so lets assume the world is against us as usual. Like being on MOTD last every week.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 4, 2014 13:24:35 GMT
Ryan is not slow, watch him next time he's in a race for the ball. I remember seeing him out-pace Nani. This. Anyone who believes Ryan has no pace has clearly never seen him live. He is pretty rapid across the ground.
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 5, 2014 2:57:41 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. I'm not so sure that they are all "perfectly good defenders". Cahill is fine. Jagielka was ok but is now past his best. You only have to look at the defences of Man Utd and Everton this season to see that neither club has a decent back 4 in terms of defending. A year or so back with Terry and Ferdinand at their best and Cahill forming a good partnership with either of them, England's first centre backs were not a problem - but those days are long gone. You say that as though England has a leaky defence. We don't. At the World Cup our shocking midfield cost us far more. The defence is probably the best part of the team. Being in a club with defensive issues does not necessarily mean it's the defender's fault. Jones being the perfect example.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 5, 2014 3:22:34 GMT
I'm not so sure that they are all "perfectly good defenders". Cahill is fine. Jagielka was ok but is now past his best. You only have to look at the defences of Man Utd and Everton this season to see that neither club has a decent back 4 in terms of defending. A year or so back with Terry and Ferdinand at their best and Cahill forming a good partnership with either of them, England's first centre backs were not a problem - but those days are long gone. You say that as though England has a leaky defence. We don't. At the World Cup our shocking midfield cost us far more. The defence is probably the best part of the team. Being in a club with defensive issues does not necessarily mean it's the defender's fault. Jones being the perfect example. How about 3 quarters of a defence, Everton are leaking goals left right and center, yet 3 of them get picked.
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Post by basingstokie on Oct 5, 2014 5:37:55 GMT
Simply ridiculous that Ryan isn't getting a chance. He is captaining a top 10 prem club and has been playing consistent football in the Premiership for 6 years.
I wonder if Roy has the courtesy to explain to Ryan why he clearly doesn't rate him at all?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 5, 2014 9:57:09 GMT
There's another piece on Shawcross (and Agbonlahor) in the Sunday Times. Hodgson is quoted as saying "Ryan Shawcross? I think he's a very good league player but at the moment I think we have other players that I prefer."
There you have it. He just doesn't rate him end of argument. We can whinge as much as we want but he'll never pick him. Let's move on. Ryan ought to make himself available for Wales and fuck the demented, owl faced twat off.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 5, 2014 13:28:20 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. I can't let this go without referring to two points you make: 1) this myth that he isn't good on the ball is a load of old bollocks as anyone who was at Sunderland would testify to. 2) the other myth that he's not quick when in actual fact he's pretty rapid for a tall, imposing centre back. My worry is if some people who watch him every week think this it's ever likely that senile twat in charge of the national team won't alter his viewpoint.
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 5, 2014 13:50:29 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. I can't let this go without referring to two points you make: 1) this myth that he isn't good on the ball is a load of old bollocks as anyone who was at Sunderland would testify to. 2) the other myth that he's not quick when in actual fact he's pretty rapid for a tall, imposing centre back. My worry is if some people who watch him every week think this it's ever likely that senile twat in charge of the national team won't alter his viewpoint. You mean the same Sunderland who put 3 past him? Not the best example to use.... Noone said he is slow. But he is no prime Ferdinand, nor any quicker than Jones or Smalling. Everyone here gets so defensive over him, but I've yet to see anyone highlight anything he can clearly bring that other defenders don't. That's the point.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Oct 5, 2014 14:09:05 GMT
I can't let this go without referring to two points you make: 1) this myth that he isn't good on the ball is a load of old bollocks as anyone who was at Sunderland would testify to. 2) the other myth that he's not quick when in actual fact he's pretty rapid for a tall, imposing centre back. My worry is if some people who watch him every week think this it's ever likely that senile twat in charge of the national team won't alter his viewpoint. You mean the same Sunderland who put 3 past him? Not the best example to use.... Noone said he is slow. But he is no prime Ferdinand, nor any quicker than Jones or Smalling. Everyone here gets so defensive over him, but I've yet to see anyone highlight anything he can clearly bring that other defenders don't. That's the point. You said he isn't any good on the ball, which is incorrect. He's a better defender than any centre back in the squad and he has decent pace without being rapid but how many are?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 5, 2014 14:54:13 GMT
The times are under a press complaints investigation over one of their articles over Ryan shawcross so hopefully they will be a bit more balanced from now in if it'd upheld
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Oct 22, 2014 4:07:16 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. Your first paragraph (which I actually think is bollox) renders your second one pointless. If he isn't any better than the current shower of shite then no-one is going to pick him for England are they? What Stoke fans do realise is that he's head and shoulders a better DEFENDER than any in the current squad. He is no slouch either. Name the last time he got done for pace? And he's nowhere near as bad a footballer as some would have it. He was the main one tarred with the Pulis 'Hoof' brush and unfortunately it's stuck. This. Top Post
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Oct 22, 2014 7:27:31 GMT
If Ryan moved to Man Utd he would be in the England squad by the end of the week FACT.
Anyone who has watched him week in week out knows that he's as a class act.
It isn't Ryan that's the problem it's the people who SHOULD be watching him.
Sad to see some Stoke fans blaming Ryan for other peoples failures.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 22, 2014 7:28:04 GMT
I'd stick it in there too "If you go anywhere near THAT, I'll set Huth on yer !"
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Post by nott1 on Oct 22, 2014 7:56:51 GMT
Hodgson is as thick as shit if he prefers Chambers, Jagielka etc. to Ryan, but we already knew that.
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Post by Will_75 on Oct 22, 2014 9:06:22 GMT
owl faced cunt. that is all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2014 9:46:11 GMT
Every time a Shawcross to Man Utd rumour surfaces it seems to me that every fan across the country thinks that it's perfectly plausible. Which says it all really.
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Post by tazi on Oct 22, 2014 10:47:22 GMT
I was pissed off at Shawcross in regards to just how slow he was in getting back and failing to clear the ball off the line versus Arsenal in the dying seconds of the game which ended up costing us dearly. If he was a bit quicker instead of being as slow as he's made out to be then he just might have just got to it and cleared it off the line.
Rant over.
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Post by djduncanjames on Oct 22, 2014 14:14:21 GMT
I was pissed off at Shawcross in regards to just how slow he was in getting back and failing to clear the ball off the line versus Arsenal in the dying seconds of the game which ended up costing us dearly. If he was a bit quicker instead of being as slow as he's made out to be then he just might have just got to it and cleared it off the line. Rant over. yea that and the goal line clearance against man city that never happened proves how slow he really is
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Post by skip on Oct 22, 2014 14:44:07 GMT
I was pissed off at Shawcross in regards to just how slow he was in getting back and failing to clear the ball off the line versus Arsenal in the dying seconds of the game which ended up costing us dearly. If he was a bit quicker instead of being as slow as he's made out to be then he just might have just got to it and cleared it off the line. Rant over. yea that and the goal line clearance against man city that never happened proves how slow he really is Yes, and John Terry does the lightning bolt stance after he's beaten everyone in a flat race.
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Post by tazi on Oct 22, 2014 14:47:39 GMT
Oh yes come to think of it I think it was man city..,, lol same thing really
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Post by homer32 on Oct 23, 2014 8:07:53 GMT
I think it would be best for Ryan to move on now, he deserves to play for England & if he moved to Old Trafford then Woy would have to pick him because we all know he's a good enough defender. What holds him back is his distribution and he could just defend there and leave others to do the distributing.
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Post by agingerstokie on Oct 23, 2014 8:29:21 GMT
I think it would be best for Ryan to move on now, he deserves to play for England & if he moved to Old Trafford then Woy would have to pick him because we all know he's a good enough defender. What holds him back is his distribution and he could just defend there and leave others to do the distributing. And who would you replace him with?
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Post by lastoftheldk on Oct 23, 2014 8:55:06 GMT
I think it would be best for Ryan to move on now, he deserves to play for England & if he moved to Old Trafford then Woy would have to pick him because we all know he's a good enough defender. What holds him back is his distribution and he could just defend there and leave others to do the distributing. Best for who, where is going to go
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Post by homer32 on Oct 23, 2014 9:32:28 GMT
Both of us Old Trafford I think he will go at the end of this season & Teixeira will come through.I don't see Bego going anytime soon & then we have Butland.Ryan has been with us 7 years and he needs to be given the opportunity to furthur his career.
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